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Post by hchoops on May 14, 2021 8:07:52 GMT -5
Congrats to AD Blossom and Coach Chesney for getting this done.
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Post by deep Purple on May 14, 2021 8:10:05 GMT -5
This needs to be the Harvard game for several reasons. But they could get 10k at Fitton against Harvard. Playing against a team like Georgetown or some other Penn school is usually 4-7k. Why not play one of those at night at Polar Park?
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Post by bfoley82 on May 14, 2021 8:10:21 GMT -5
This needs to be the Harvard game for several reasons. Harvard drew over 10k at Fitton the last time they played in Worcester. Why turn down fans at Polar Park?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 8:14:33 GMT -5
This needs to be the Harvard game for several reasons. Harvard is homecoming, The college is most eager to get alumni back on-campus. Homecoming and reunions are viewed as key to alumni giving.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 14, 2021 8:28:34 GMT -5
Didn't realize Harv was homecoming weekend.
This being said- Colgate is next best choice.
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Post by rickii on May 14, 2021 8:34:58 GMT -5
Couple questions....
What are the distances to the wall from LF to RF ? Based on the photos, would appear a football field would be oriented from just inside the 1B line out to LF.
How will the baseball locker rooms, usually at most 30 stalls each, accomodate 85-90 football players per team ? How was it done at Yankee Stadium or particularly at Fenway ?
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Post by HC92 on May 14, 2021 9:20:44 GMT -5
I’m assuming they will bring in temporary seating to add to capacity and provide a decent view of the game. If one sideline basically runs down the 3rd base line, the seats on the third base side would be good but maybe too low in the first several rows. The ones between home and first would be end zone seats. I’d think they’d roll in some bleachers to run behind the sideline running from RF to CF.
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Post by timholycross on May 14, 2021 9:36:52 GMT -5
No....UNH does not have them scheduled in 2021. UNH is off on the October 9th like us but that would be no bye week for them and too many games for them. We are still looking for another opponent. The chances of a UNH game w/HC are relatively remote; however, I wouldn't be surprised if an extra game waiver isn't granted early and often by the NCAA for the 2021 season.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2021 9:38:37 GMT -5
Once Polar Park is completed, it will be interesting to compare the amenities at New England’s newest Minor League Baseball Parks. The actual fixed seating for Dunkin Donuts Park opened in 2017 is roughly the same as Polar Park. So far Dunkin Donuts Park has not hosted a football game. www.intheballparks.com/eastern/dunkin-donuts
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 14, 2021 10:09:33 GMT -5
Why did Worcester spend so much money to build such a small ballpark? Louisville Slugger Field here in Louisville has a capacity of 13,000 with 11,500 seated and cost $40MM to build which one site suggests would be about $60MM today. The park is beautiful
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 10:21:24 GMT -5
I’m assuming they will bring in temporary seating to add to capacity and provide a decent view of the game. If one sideline basically runs down the 3rd base line, the seats on the third base side would be good but maybe too low in the first several rows. The ones between home and first would be end zone seats. I’d think they’d roll in some bleachers to run behind the sideline running from RF to CF. There is no place for temporary seating.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 10:38:56 GMT -5
Why did Worcester spend so much money to build such a small ballpark? Louisville Slugger Field here in Louisville has a capacity of 13,000 with 11,500 seated and cost $40MM to build which one site suggests would be about $60MM today. The park is beautiful That's the $64 question. The total cost was $158 million. Construction cost was $118 million. Even at $118 million, it's supposedly the most expensive minor league park ever, and on a per-seat basis (6,000 seats) far and away the most expensive minor league park ever. The city of Worcester will need a decades worth of novenas to enlist the support of the Almighty in promoting development of the surrounding neighborhood. Said hoped-for development needs to generate sufficient tax revenues to pay down the city's indebtedness. Otherwise, the good citizens of Worcester might very well be left holding the bag..
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Post by hc6774 on May 14, 2021 10:49:59 GMT -5
maybe HC's use of Polar is a 'pilot' scheme
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 10:58:59 GMT -5
To me, the language in this announcement is an agreement to play one game a year for x number of years. Also, it strikes me that HC may enter a marketing agreement with Fenway Sports Group (FSG), owned by John Henry. A subsidiary, Fenway Sports Management, does/did marketing for BC. fenwaysportsgroup.com/www.fenwaysportsmanagement.com/portfolio/Re: BC, see www.fenwaysportsmanagement.com/contact/fsm-associate-program/So I could foresee, down the road, HC getting to play football at Fenway, and if they put an ice sheet down, play ice hockey there as well.. I have previously noted that a developer of Polar Park very recently bought a small parcel of land on Avon St., quite close to the Hart Rink. Why? Also see, www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/19/business/red-sox-owners-partners-plan-major-redevelopment-around-fenway-park/www.wsdevelopment.com/our-properties/fenway/
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Post by trimster on May 14, 2021 11:00:05 GMT -5
Why did Worcester spend so much money to build such a small ballpark? Louisville Slugger Field here in Louisville has a capacity of 13,000 with 11,500 seated and cost $40MM to build which one site suggests would be about $60MM today. The park is beautiful That's the $64 question. costs. The total cost was $158 million. Construction cost was $118 million. Even at $118 million, it's supposedly the most expensive minor league park ever, and on a per-seat basis (6,000 seats) far and away the most expensive minor league park ever. The city of Worcester will need a decades worth of novenas to enlist the support of the Almighty in promoting development of the surrounding neighborhood. Said hoped-for development needs to generate sufficient tax revenues to pay down the city's indebtedness. Otherwise, the good citizens of Worcester might very well be left holding the bag.. So the other 40 million was basically to clean up the brownfield and some of the infrastructure work? I assume the Kelley Square work wasn't part of the 158,000,000. I am also going to assume the project across the street involves a lot of cleanup
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Post by hc2020 on May 14, 2021 11:26:36 GMT -5
Couple questions.... What are the distances to the wall from LF to RF ? Based on the photos, would appear a football field would be oriented from just inside the 1B line out to LF. How will the baseball locker rooms, usually at most 30 stalls each, accomodate 85-90 football players per team ? How was it done at Yankee Stadium or particularly at Fenway ? I attended the BC-Notre Dame game at Fenway a few years ago. The atmosphere and novelty of it were great, but the sight lines were not good. Unless you sat in the first base line roof box seats or the upper sections of the right field base line grandstands it was difficult to get a good clean view of the action. For the most part, many people ended up watching the action on the video scoreboard.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 14, 2021 11:33:17 GMT -5
Couple questions.... What are the distances to the wall from LF to RF ? Based on the photos, would appear a football field would be oriented from just inside the 1B line out to LF. How will the baseball locker rooms, usually at most 30 stalls each, accomodate 85-90 football players per team ? How was it done at Yankee Stadium or particularly at Fenway ? I attended the BC-Notre Dame game at Fenway a few years ago. The atmosphere and novelty of it were great, but the sight lines were not good. Unless you sat in the first base line roof box seats or the upper sections of the right field base line grandstands it was difficult to get a good clean view of the action. For the most part, many people ended up watching the action on the video scoreboard. I attended hockey at Fenway and the Roof Boxes were fine but noone else could see the action.
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Post by gks on May 14, 2021 11:33:28 GMT -5
WBJ breaking the news that HC will not play all of its home games at PP: WBJ really needs a better editor.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 14, 2021 11:36:01 GMT -5
Why did Worcester spend so much money to build such a small ballpark? Louisville Slugger Field here in Louisville has a capacity of 13,000 with 11,500 seated and cost $40MM to build which one site suggests would be about $60MM today. The park is beautiful That's the $64 question. The total cost was $158 million. Construction cost was $118 million. Even at $118 million, it's supposedly the most expensive minor league park ever, and on a per-seat basis (6,000 seats) far and away the most expensive minor league park ever. The city of Worcester will need a decades worth of novenas to enlist the support of the Almighty in promoting development of the surrounding neighborhood. Said hoped-for development needs to generate sufficient tax revenues to pay down the city's indebtedness. Otherwise, the good citizens of Worcester might very well be left holding the bag.. Truist Field in Charlotte (White Sox Triple A team) was opened in 2014 and holds 10,200 fans which cost 54 million.
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Post by gks on May 14, 2021 11:39:14 GMT -5
Polar Park is the most expensive park until the next one is built. It and the land across Madison Street were basically toxic dumps as are most vacant lots in cities like Worcester.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2021 11:41:24 GMT -5
The same was true for Yankee Stadium. Viewing the game was sub optimal.
Playing at Fenway brings back nostalgia for a 55-12 win, but in terms of watching a game, I prefer Fitton.
If we want an outdoor hockey experience, construct the rink at Fitton, the viewing will be superior to watching a hockey game in a baseball stadium.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 14, 2021 12:36:42 GMT -5
To me, the language in this announcement is an agreement to play one game a year for x number of years. Also, it strikes me that HC may enter a marketing agreement with Fenway Sports Group (FSG), owned by John Henry. A subsidiary, Fenway Sports Management, does/did marketing for BC. fenwaysportsgroup.com/www.fenwaysportsmanagement.com/portfolio/Re: BC, see www.fenwaysportsmanagement.com/contact/fsm-associate-program/So I could foresee, down the road, HC getting to play football at Fenway, and if they put an ice sheet down, play ice hockey there as well.. I have previously noted that a developer of Polar Park very recently bought a small parcel of land on Avon St., quite close to the Hart Rink. Why? Also see, www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/19/business/red-sox-owners-partners-plan-major-redevelopment-around-fenway-park/www.wsdevelopment.com/our-properties/fenway/ HC just inked a deal with Peak Sports Management. They aren't signing with FSG. Furthermore the Worc Sox are a completely separate entiity from the BoSox. Henry is not involved with the ownership group.
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Post by hc87 on May 14, 2021 13:32:15 GMT -5
I don't hate it but can't say I love it. Fenway, Yankee, Wrigley etc.....ok but we're talking a minor league park with probably poor sightlines (as nearly all baseball parks are for football), no real tail-gating, no real campus-atmosphere etc.
No doubt this is a push for "subway alumni" engagement so I get it....just hope it doesn't become more than a game there every couple of years or so.
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Post by timholycross on May 14, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -5
Couple questions.... What are the distances to the wall from LF to RF ? Based on the photos, would appear a football field would be oriented from just inside the 1B line out to LF. How will the baseball locker rooms, usually at most 30 stalls each, accomodate 85-90 football players per team ? How was it done at Yankee Stadium or particularly at Fenway ? I attended the BC-Notre Dame game at Fenway a few years ago. The atmosphere and novelty of it were great, but the sight lines were not good. Unless you sat in the first base line roof box seats or the upper sections of the right field base line grandstands it was difficult to get a good clean view of the action. For the most part, many people ended up watching the action on the video scoreboard. The only good seats when the Pats played there in the 60s were the bleachers they constructed in front of the Green Monster. Anything upstairs in the newer construction now would be a good seat, especially the Monster Seats, but those don't add up to that many seats (although they do contribute disproportionately to the bottom line, that's for sure). Essentially, any baseball stadium that doesn't have a decent sized upper deck is going to suck to watch a football game at, for the majority of attendees. It's a great thing for HC to be able to play a night game, perhaps annually; and if they compared what it cost them for the lights versus the Woo Sox taking a big cut of the gate, probably a wash. But NEVER against an opponent that might draw a nice crowd to Fitton, which most of ours do not.
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Post by timholycross on May 14, 2021 15:18:15 GMT -5
The same was true for Yankee Stadium. Viewing the game was sub optimal. Playing at Fenway brings back nostalgia for a 55-12 win, but in terms of watching a game, I prefer Fitton. If we want an outdoor hockey experience, construct the rink at Fitton, the viewing will be superior to watching a hockey game in a baseball stadium. Should be easy with the flood plain, no?
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