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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 1, 2021 22:00:20 GMT -5
That’s a great recap.Thank you!
I am thrilled that Soccer and Lax will be combined with increased seating to 3,000. We have often speculated about the long term vision, and the economic scale of combining the facility for both sports. Turf will allow additional flexibility for scheduling and will eliminate the need for the grass soccer practice field. This should be a recruiting bonus for Coaches Reppert, Belichick, as well as Coaches Koolman and Bak.
Once completed, I would like to have dinner with several critics of HC facilities. I know what I will order for them as the main entree and desert.
Time for all of us to get behind this project and upgrades, and contact the BOT to show your support!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2021 4:24:22 GMT -5
thanks princetoncrusader for the recap, and outlining what's being proposed for the top of the hill. =========== re: the endowment The Wilshire 5000 was up 42.6% for the July 1 - June 30 fiscal year. The S&P was up 41 percent.
Through Feb 13, 2021, the endowment was up 20 percent, compared to 28% for the S&P on the same date.
If the endowment ROI was up 33% for the full fiscal year (20 percent + match of the S&P increase Feb 14-Jun 30), the endowment value would be $1,011M. This is before any contributions or distributions. Depending on how the college books Agnes Williams' gift, i.e., whether it is being held as a net asset, and not yet folded into the endowment, then the value of the endowment would be close to $1 billion, having again substantially underperformed two broad indexes of stock values.
If the endowment had matched either the Wilshire or S&P gain, the endowment value would easily be north of $1 billion, even after the distribution.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2021 5:44:21 GMT -5
Here are two images grabbed from the graphics used by ADMB. I think the round circles are trees.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 2, 2021 8:23:19 GMT -5
Is the triangle of green in the bottom right a football practice field?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jul 2, 2021 8:41:53 GMT -5
One more tidbit which popped into my head overnight--Loosely quoting Marcus from his speech at the reception, "Re the Olympic sports, we want to increase the number of scholarships to catch up with our PL peers as well as admission slots." That is the first time I can recall any mention of slots.
Re the endowment, PP I follow your logic. However, since some non-trivial percentage of the endowment is invested in hedge funds and PE funds, they may well be a drag on performance. It could also be that the College is conservative in its marks on the PE positions. My source was someone who absolutely is in the know. In any event, to be around $1B is a wonderful milestone for alma mater. Onward and upward!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 2, 2021 8:56:07 GMT -5
Is the triangle of green in the bottom right a football practice field? It is Fr.K field, which is the primary football practice field.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jul 2, 2021 8:56:10 GMT -5
Yes I believe you are correct, Tim.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2021 9:56:12 GMT -5
In the first image, Fr. K. field is the polygon, striped for lacrosse, in the lower center of the image. The softball field is to its right. The softball field is where there presently is a grass practice field for soccer.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2021 10:17:42 GMT -5
One more tidbit which popped into my head overnight--Loosely quoting Marcus from his speech at the reception, "Re the Olympic sports, we want to increase the number of scholarships to catch up with our PL peers as well as admission slots." That is the first time I can recall any mention of slots. Re the endowment, PP I follow your logic. However, since some non-trivial percentage of the endowment is invested in hedge funds and PE funds, they may well be a drag on performance. It could also be that the College is conservative in its marks on the PE positions. My source was someone who absolutely is in the know. In any event, to be around $1B is a wonderful milestone for alma mater. Onward and upward! Re: scollies and slots. ADMB posits that HC will not be competitive in the Olympic sports until there are more scollies that increase their number to levels found in other PL schools. That does not mean scollies max out at the NCAA caps, e.g., Loyola in lacrosse, but their number is in the top third or half of other PL teams competing in that sport. He has said more than once that only M/W hoops and M/W ice hockey are at NCAA caps (football is three scollies short of the cap, because of the PL rule). My understanding of slots is from the Ivy League, where x percentage of an entering class is set aside for recruited athletes. A recent former President of Yale reduced the percentage a few years ago, and some varsity sports had to bring on true walk-ons to fill rosters. My guess is that, for Holy Cross, this may relate to the number of recruited athletes who receive need-based aid, rather than merit-aid.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2021 16:12:19 GMT -5
One more tidbit which popped into my head overnight--Loosely quoting Marcus from his speech at the reception, "Re the Olympic sports, we want to increase the number of scholarships to catch up with our PL peers as well as admission slots." That is the first time I can recall any mention of slots. Re the endowment, PP I follow your logic. However, since some non-trivial percentage of the endowment is invested in hedge funds and PE funds, they may well be a drag on performance. It could also be that the College is conservative in its marks on the PE positions. My source was someone who absolutely is in the know. In any event, to be around $1B is a wonderful milestone for alma mater. Onward and upward! Re: scollies and slots. ADMB posits that HC will not be competitive in the Olympic sports until there are more scollies that increase their number to levels found in other PL schools. That does not mean scollies max out at the NCAA caps, e.g., Loyola in lacrosse, but their number is in the top third or half of other PL teams competing in that sport. He has said more than once that only M/W hoops and M/W ice hockey are at NCAA caps (football is three scollies short of the cap, because of the PL rule). My understanding of slots is from the Ivy League, where x percentage of an entering class is set aside for recruited athletes. A recent former President of Yale reduced the percentage a few years ago, and some varsity sports had to bring on true walk-ons to fill rosters. My guess is that, for Holy Cross, this may relate to the number of recruited athletes who receive need-based aid, rather than merit-aid. This first mention of slots is coincident with the change in leadership in the Admissions Dept.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 5, 2021 1:10:29 GMT -5
In the first image, Fr. K. field is the polygon, striped for lacrosse, in the lower center of the image. The softball field is to its right. The softball field is where there presently is a grass practice field for soccer. I wonder who said that a softball field could go in up there...and got blasted on this site.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 5, 2021 7:29:22 GMT -5
In the first image, Fr. K. field is the polygon, striped for lacrosse, in the lower center of the image. The softball field is to its right. The softball field is where there presently is a grass practice field for soccer. I wonder who said that a softball field could go in up there...and got blasted on this site. But that's not the location that was suggested, nor was there a suggestion that fields would be consolidated.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2021 8:19:18 GMT -5
With the changes recently proposed, Holy Cross is undertaking a positive approach in considering how the upper campus will function as an athletic village in support of 9 intercollegiate programs. There is much to be applauded by ADMB and his team, in not continuing with the status quo with the current facilities. Consolidation of the Lacrosse and Soccer facilities will bring an economy to scale, as well as increase in seating and will provide additional functionality for the four varsity sports that will use the new stadium. In previous discussions about softball, the location of the new field was at the site of the current grass football field, not in the southeast corner, next to Fr. K field. This was a new location that was revealed at the CAF outing last week. In reviewing athletic facilities at peer private schools that HC often benchmarks, the link below provides pictures of the facilities at Villanova. Compare with HC, and one can see that HC is very much competing, and is ahead in providing a robust and state of the art athletic plant on campus. villanova.com/sports/2018/6/18/facilities.aspxwww.holycross.edu/athletics/facilitiesgoholycross.com/news/2020/5/12/athletics-hart-center-at-the-luth-athletic-complex.aspxA certain critic, in his suggestions, never envisioned or proposed the plan and rendering recently revealed. Meanwhile, in a location north of the Massachusetts border, one school has postponed the building of their new basketball facility, possibly for 3-5 years, and another is still trying to obtain funding for a dedicated soccer facility.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2021 8:53:06 GMT -5
The current Holy Cross Athletic Administration Team is not operating on the concept of Inertia. They seem to be focused on their vision of improving the facilities for the 27 varsity teams in a planned processed that is financially prudent and feasible.
With the installation of high quality technical infrastructure for the athletes, the consideration of the fan experience, with changes to Fitton Field / Luth Complex and a family weekend extravaganza at Polar Park, we are seeing an organization that is not sitting back on their heels and just enjoying the view atop Mt. St.James. They are now operating as a high functioning D1 program.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 5, 2021 15:42:10 GMT -5
I wonder who said that a softball field could go in up there...and got blasted on this site. But that's not the location that was suggested, nor was there a suggestion that fields would be consolidated. Well, I clearly said behind the Luth. crossports.freeforums.net/post/187607Then asked about the football practice field so now they are taking over that soccer practice field. crossports.freeforums.net/post/187642I expect an apology from all of you guys who were wrong about a softball facility going in behind the Luth but you guys won't admit you were wrong. crossports.freeforums.net/post/187647
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2021 16:09:21 GMT -5
I understand there will be a formal apology to you on the day of the dedication of the new field at the upper campus athletic village, part of the Luth Athletic Complex. The field will be named after the benefactor for the new facility who has a long and storied history in aviation, similar to the naming of the stadium that the University of Connecticut football team calls home. It is expected that all Crossports who can attend will be there for the presentation to acknowledge how you have been a critical and keystone resource in ensuring its completion. Here is a link to the benefactor of the new facility. The field will be called Porcine Aerospace Softball Stadium. messybeast.com/dragonqueen/porcine-aviation2.htmlBy the way, it would seem there will be a need for footprint remediation to place a softball field in the proposed location. Softball in March on the top of Mt. St. James will present a number of challenges. More than just lining up a field and simple construction. HC is “all in” regarding facility upgrades for the program. Many schools do not have either the ability or the acumen to accomplish what has been outlined in the strategic plan. We will be fortunate if this comes to fruition, which I expect to occur.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 5, 2021 16:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 5, 2021 16:31:25 GMT -5
But that's not the location that was suggested, nor was there a suggestion that fields would be consolidated. I expect an apology from all of you guys who were wrong about a softball facility going in behind the Luth but you guys won't admit you were wrong. "You guys"? You seem to group people quite easily to establish a "universal" appellation. I would not expect to see any "apology" for two reasons. (1) There is nothing serious enough in this to warrant an apology. (2) They may follow your repeated example (or have you apologized for improperly calling posters here "liars?") If you did apologize, then I will follow suit and do the same. Be well.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 5, 2021 16:48:51 GMT -5
I understand there will be a formal apology to you on the day of the dedication of the new field at the upper campus athletic village, part of the Luth Athletic Complex. The field will be named after the benefactor for the new facility who has a long and storied history in aviation, similar to the naming of the stadium that the University of Connecticut football team calls home. It is expected that all Crossports who can attend will be there for the presentation to acknowledge how you have been a critical and keystone resource in ensuring its completion. Here is a link to the benefactor of the new facility. The field will be called Porcine Aerospace Softball Stadium. messybeast.com/dragonqueen/porcine-aviation2.htmlThat was a spec failure of the first order. They neglected to grease the pig to improve aerodynamic flow from turbulent to laminar. _______________________________ Mr. Foley's site for the softball field was a football practice field that was created in the course of constructing the Luth field house The road that circled the Hart had to be shifted to the south and east, and this chomped up a good bit of the grass practice field that existed previously. That field was slid to the south, and fill was added near the southeast corner to provide a level 120 yard (or thereabouts) field. This practice field is adjacent to the Smith soccer field. Instead of following Mr. Foley's advice, the college is now taking two fields to create a new softball field. One of the fields is currently the soccer practice field, and the second field is currently used for field events. For two events, the javelin and hammer throw, you should provide 300 feet of lateral distance. (The records are less, but you need to provide a safe space for the measuring officials to avoid spearing or head-conking.) The college chose not to follow Mr. Foley's advice on location because the advice failed elementary geometry. And as the softball field will not be built on top of a parking garage, the college chose not to consider that Foley suggestion as well.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 5, 2021 19:21:27 GMT -5
Just a quick update for those who have volunteered. The initial meeting of the “bfoley82 intervention committee” will take place via Zoom this coming Thursday at 700 PM EDT. Working together, with compassion and diligence, I am confident that we can get him the help he needs to turn things around.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 5, 2021 20:55:04 GMT -5
With the changes recently proposed, Holy Cross is undertaking a positive approach in considering how the upper campus will function as an athletic village in support of 9 intercollegiate programs. There is much to be applauded by ADMB and his team, in not continuing with the status quo with the current facilities. Consolidation of the Lacrosse and Soccer facilities will bring an economy to scale, as well as increase in seating and will provide additional functionality for the four varsity sports that will use the new stadium. In previous discussions about softball, the location of the new field was at the site of the current grass football field, not in the southeast corner, next to Fr. K field. This was a new location that was revealed at the CAF outing last week. In reviewing athletic facilities at peer private schools that HC often benchmarks, the link below provides pictures of the facilities at Villanova. Compare with HC, and one can see that HC is very much competing, and is ahead in providing a robust and state of the art athletic plant on campus. villanova.com/sports/2018/6/18/facilities.aspxwww.holycross.edu/athletics/facilitiesgoholycross.com/news/2020/5/12/athletics-hart-center-at-the-luth-athletic-complex.aspxThanks for not comparing Fordham or Georgetown in this survey. Fordham is constrained as well, but it still has a home for baseball, soccer and tennis, three that Georgetown does not. In same ways, Georgetown does it with mirrors that so many sports share essentially one field, never mind practice time or intramurals for 6,800 students, 90% of whom are on campus. The good news about an athletic complex is that it also sends a "hands-off" message to any new academic or dorms that someone might be planning for that space.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 5, 2021 21:05:36 GMT -5
I understand there will be a formal apology to you on the day of the dedication of the new field at the upper campus athletic village, part of the Luth Athletic Complex. The field will be named after the benefactor for the new facility who has a long and storied history in aviation, similar to the naming of the stadium that the University of Connecticut football team calls home. It is expected that all Crossports who can attend will be there for the presentation to acknowledge how you have been a critical and keystone resource in ensuring its completion. Here is a link to the benefactor of the new facility. The field will be called Porcine Aerospace Softball Stadium. messybeast.com/dragonqueen/porcine-aviation2.htmlThat was a spec failure of the first order. They neglected to grease the pig to improve aerodynamic flow from turbulent to laminar. _______________________________ Mr. Foley's site for the softball field was a football practice field that was created in the course of constructing the Luth field house The road that circled the Hart had to be shifted to the south and east, and this chomped up a good bit of the grass practice field that existed previously. That field was slid to the south, and fill was added near the southeast corner to provide a level 120 yard (or thereabouts) field. This practice field is adjacent to the Smith soccer field. Instead of following Mr. Foley's advice, the college is now taking two fields to create a new softball field. One of the fields is currently the soccer practice field, and the second field is currently used for field events. For two events, the javelin and hammer throw, you should provide 300 feet of lateral distance. (The records are less, but you need to provide a safe space for the measuring officials to avoid spearing or head-conking.) The college chose not to follow Mr. Foley's advice on location because the advice failed elementary geometry. And as the softball field will not be built on top of a parking garage, the college chose not to consider that Foley suggestion as well. Spearing and head conking will be Olympic events for the 2028 games.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 5, 2021 21:09:50 GMT -5
If the HoJos lot was a little bigger think of the doubles off the wall a field there would create.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2021 21:10:53 GMT -5
The wife of a prominent person formerly connected to Holy Cross Athletics has a PHD in clinical psychology. Some may have had numerous conversations with her in passing at the Hart Center. I bet she has studied this condition that we are concerned and would like to provide help to our colleague. It is called HC animosity syndrome. Wonder if she can consult and provide a certain critic with advice and a path for remediation of his issue. I’ll see if I can contact her to join the Zoom meeting. www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-resentment#1Love how the kettle has been stirred. Brian has provided chuckles as well as me SMH. It requires a certain moxie to repeatedly be filleted on Crossports. Hope he will be the official photographer for the Porcine Aerospace Softball Stadium. I can appreciate the work that is being accomplished on Mt.St.James that others would like to see accomplished at their Alma Mater.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 26, 2021 8:19:03 GMT -5
Final numbers for the CAF for the fiscal year. ADMB met his goal ($2 million, IIRC).
3,674 donors gave $2,110,308 to the CAF, with 49 percent of former athletes giving to the College.
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