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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 2, 2021 17:18:00 GMT -5
Podcast with St. Peter's Prep and College of Holy Cross basketball star Rev. Earle Markey, SJ
At the 1 hour 30 second mark he talks about the current Holy Cross team.
He said he still goes to football games.
But is not enthusiastic about supporting a team with 8 transfers. He says he is old school and can not be a supporter of this.
Throughout the whole interview he talks about his life and tells some Holy Cross stories.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 2, 2021 17:22:24 GMT -5
Podcast with Union City, Holy Cross and Boston Celtics legend Togo Palazzi
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 2, 2021 17:48:24 GMT -5
Ditto
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2021 20:20:57 GMT -5
Football the old fashioned way: top of the standings
Basketball the new way: top of the standings. Oops, I had the page upside down.😂
I am pleased but mildly surprised Fr. Markey would be so forthcoming. When the coach changed, HC football players got a new head coach who was a proven winner. That provided an incentive to stay. BB players didn't get that when their coach changed.
I'm happy to root for the BB players who are here and the intact coaching staff who will be in their third year together. We will be a better team next season.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 2, 2021 20:28:58 GMT -5
Not supporting the current team because 8 guys no longer on the team transferred out??? |
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 2, 2021 20:42:44 GMT -5
Too bad he is not in a profession that encourages one to be more "forgiving."  |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2021 20:46:18 GMT -5
We became a basketball factory without any of the winning that generally accompanies that approach. It was the worst of both worlds. But the trajectory is upward from here and the turnstiles have stopped swinging except for Joe Reilly.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2021 20:48:47 GMT -5
Too bad he is not in a profession that encourages one to be more "forgiving." Funny. But a Jesuit can have standards, too. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 2, 2021 22:09:45 GMT -5
Football the old fashioned way: top of the standings Basketball the new way: top of the standings. Oops, I had the page upside down.😂 I am pleased but mildly surprised Fr. Markey would be so forthcoming. When the coach changed, HC football players got a new head coach who was a proven winner. That provided an incentive to stay. BB players didn't get that when their coach changed. I'm happy to root for the BB players who are here and the intact coaching staff who will be in their third year together. We will be a better team next season. Very difficult to hire a truly desirable new Head Coach in late June, instead of late March or early April. Twice within a little more than a decade, HC had to hire a head coach after the optimum window had closed. First Ralph, then Bill. Their decision to leave in June, instead of immediately when the season was over, placed HC behind the 8 ball regarding a coaching search. Of the 8 who transferred, two were out the door before the current Head Coach was hired. They had made their decision before the season ended. The others who departed the following year, clearly felt they were a square peg trying to be placed in a round hole. Unfortunately, it occurs not only in collegiate sports, but also in business, and in the hiring of faculty. We often hope that change will bring success. For some it does, the others it does not. Looking at Verbal Commits, and the Transfer Portal this year, the HC exodus of players in 2019 and 2020, was not an unusual occurrence in today’s college basketball ecosphere. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2021 23:14:23 GMT -5
Football the old fashioned way: top of the standings Basketball the new way: top of the standings. Oops, I had the page upside down.😂 I am pleased but mildly surprised Fr. Markey would be so forthcoming. When the coach changed, HC football players got a new head coach who was a proven winner. That provided an incentive to stay. BB players didn't get that when their coach changed. I'm happy to root for the BB players who are here and the intact coaching staff who will be in their third year together. We will be a better team next season. Very difficult to hire a truly desirable new Head Coach in late June, instead of late March or early April. Twice within a little more than a decade, HC had to hire a head coach after the optimum window had closed. First Ralph, then Bill. Their decision to leave in June, instead of immediately when the season was over, placed HC behind the 8 ball regarding a coaching search. Of the 8 who transferred, two were out the door before the current Head Coach was hired. They had made their decision before the season ended. The others who departed the following year, clearly felt they were a square peg trying to be placed in a round hole. Unfortunately, it occurs not only in collegiate sports, but also in business, and in the hiring of faculty. We often hope that change will bring success. For some it does, the others it does not. Looking at Verbal Commits, and the Transfer Portal this year, the HC exodus of players in 2019 and 2020, was not an unusual occurrence in today’s college basketball ecosphere. Good points as always. When Bill left the Holy Cross opening was the only D-1 opening in the country. Wasn't HC able to invite any D-3 or D-2 head coach who had a history of consistent success to interview for the position instead of just D-1 assistants? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 3, 2021 0:35:53 GMT -5
We seem reluctant to do that in basketball. Too bad we could not find the basketball equivalent of Bob Chesney (maybe there is not one) in any of our searches since Ralph left
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 3, 2021 5:15:00 GMT -5
Too bad he is not in a profession that encourages one to be more "forgiving." Funny. But a Jesuit can have standards, too. Of course he can...as can we all. I typically see Jesuits a notch above others in that regard. I also try to remember the instruction to "judge not lest you, yourself, be judged." I find it sad that someone who played a major role in Holy Cross basketball is apparently no longer able to fully support the team. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2021 6:27:34 GMT -5
Can't speak for the Rev. Markey but I do not support the coach. I do support the players both the ones who left and the ones who are on the team now who were not a party to any run-off activities.
My support has always been for alma mater. And, if you'd like, I can go off on a tangent about the leaders of HC administrators who I sometimes vehemently disagreed with while still maintaining my support for the school that's educated 3 generations of my clan rationalizing that those people come and go but the institution continues.
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2021 8:28:09 GMT -5
Can't speak for the Rev. Markey but I do not support the coach. I do support the players but the ones who left and the ones who are on the team now who were not a party to any run-off activities. My support has always been for alma mater. And, if you'd like, I can go off on a tangent about the leaders of HC administrators who I sometimes vehemently disagreed with while still maintaining my support for the school that's educated 3 generations of my clan rationalizing that those people come and go but the institution continues. . I don't have any inside intel. It is easy to assume a run off when 8 players leave. Might have happened. Might not have happened. If a run off did happen, I would have very different opinions based on what the coach said. The coach might have said something like, "you don't have the skill set to fit into my system and would probably be best served somewhere else" The coach also might have said "We are going to be the hardest working team in D-I. These are my expectations [insert hard work examples here]. If you are not prepared to make that kind of commitment to our program, there's the door". In my mind, those are two very different statements and I would react differently to each. I painted a couple of hypotheticals. I have no clue what kind of conversations happened between Coach Nelson and the team as a whole or various individuals. I'm sure there are people here closer to the program who might know what went down. Just not me. Normally I am very good at forming opinions based on limited or incomplete information. However, in this instance, I choose not to make any judgement about why there was a mass exodus. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2021 11:25:12 GMT -5
Fr, Markey is on the admissions staff at HC, and this is not a recent position. Did or does he have a role in reviewing the academic bona fides of recruits?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 3, 2021 11:40:11 GMT -5
Fr, Markey is on the admissions staff at HC, and this is not a recent position. Did or does he have a role in reviewing the academic bona fides of recruits? Possibly very slightly as in his input is always appreciated but his highest and best use for the department might be in representing HC at traditional Jesuit and Catholic feeder schools? Only a guess. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2021 12:49:37 GMT -5
Fr, Markey is on the admissions staff at HC, and this is not a recent position. Did or does he have a role in reviewing the academic bona fides of recruits? Possibly very slightly as in his input is always appreciated but his highest and best use for the department might be in representing HC at traditional Jesuit and Catholic feeder schools? Only a guess. That's more than a good guess!! With Fr. Boroughs leaving at the end of the month, the Jesuit community is down to 12. I recall reading they are also looking for a VP for Mission, so that indicates another Jesuit is leaving. I would guess the average age of the current community is between 75 and 80. I am beginning to think the Jesuits are sending younger Jesuits elsewhere, because HC is rich compared to every other Jesuit school and can afford lay faculty. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 3, 2021 16:00:02 GMT -5
Possibly very slightly as in his input is always appreciated but his highest and best use for the department might be in representing HC at traditional Jesuit and Catholic feeder schools? Only a guess. That's more than a good guess!! With Fr. Boroughs leaving at the end of the month, the Jesuit community is down to 12. I recall reading they are also looking for a VP for Mission, so that indicates another Jesuit is leaving. I would guess the average age of the current community is between 75 and 80. I am beginning to think the Jesuits are sending younger Jesuits elsewhere, because HC is rich compared to every other Jesuit school and can afford lay faculty. The other Jesuit - Fr. Bill Campbell, SJ - left 2 years ago. Saw something on Twitter (?) a week or 2 ago that I can not find now, that seemed to indicate that Timothy O'Brien, SJ, '06 was returning to Holy Cross in the Office of Mission. Not sure if he's the new VP for mission, but he'd give the HC Jesuit Community one decidedly younger member. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 4, 2021 7:08:16 GMT -5
At the end of this month, there will be 12 members in the Holy Cross Jesuit Community.
What was the largest number of Jesuits on the Holy Cross Campus Community?
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Post by Tom on Jun 4, 2021 8:20:43 GMT -5
That's more than a good guess!! With Fr. Boroughs leaving at the end of the month, the Jesuit community is down to 12. I recall reading they are also looking for a VP for Mission, so that indicates another Jesuit is leaving. I would guess the average age of the current community is between 75 and 80. I am beginning to think the Jesuits are sending younger Jesuits elsewhere, because HC is rich compared to every other Jesuit school and can afford lay faculty. The other Jesuit - Fr. Bill Campbell, SJ - left 2 years ago. Saw something on Twitter (?) a week or 2 ago that I can not find now, that seemed to indicate that Timothy O'Brien, SJ, '06 was returning to Holy Cross in the Office of Mission. Not sure if he's the new VP for mission, but he'd give the HC Jesuit Community one decidedly younger member. Bill Campbell was two years behind me at HC. I am glad he, or anyone from my era, is considered "younger" |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2021 11:11:52 GMT -5
At the end of this month, there will be 12 members in the Holy Cross Jesuit Community. What was the largest number of Jesuits on the Holy Cross Campus Community? See my separate new thread in the other sub-forum. Loyola Hall opened in 1965 as the Jesuit residence, and infirmary. Loyola Hall now has 300 student beds. Don't know if any are triples. HC is apparently moving away from triples, so bed count might be reduced. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 4, 2021 11:23:19 GMT -5
There is a Jesuit sponsored junior high in Worcester. There is one Jesuit assigned there who lives at Holy Cross but does not have any school duties that I am aware of. I do not know if he is counted in the twelve
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Post by smallysmally on Jun 4, 2021 13:42:05 GMT -5
Random Question:
Canisius College in Buffalo had a small. talented guard, Dave Markey, from West New York, NJ, who graduated in 1957.
Would he have been related to Earle Markey?
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Post by Tom on Jun 4, 2021 13:45:41 GMT -5
Random Question: Canisius College in Buffalo had a small. talented guard, Dave Markey, from West New York, NJ, who graduated in 1957. Would he have been related to Earle Markey? Don't know about that, but in terms of the family tree, Billy and Rob McGovern are related to Fr Markey |
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