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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2021 10:56:59 GMT -5
Yesterday, I compiled a brief list of the 13 members. I knew Fr. B. was leaving. Today, I learned the youngest member Father Mac is leaving this month for Fairfield. Without a replacement(s) the community will be down to 11, living in a 37,000 square foot Jesuit residence.
Here are the 13
Fr. S., Rector of the community. age 77-78. Fr. B., President, age 73. Leaving Fr. C., Associate professor of religious studies. Graduate of Williams, Has been at HC for 20 years. Age unknown, but likely is age 60 or less. Fr. G., Associate professor of religious studies. Age unknown. Entered Society of Jesus in 1991, Likely age 60 or less. Fr. H., Associate chaplain for mission. Ordained 1985. Does not have a doctorate. Age 65 or so. Per Crucius, HC '72, which makes him 70 or 71. Fr. L., Associate professor emeritus. PhD in History from BU. Age nearly 90 Fr. M., Assistant chaplain. Ordained 2018. Does not appear to have a doctorate. Leaving. Fr. M,, Associate Director of Admissions. Age about 90 Fr. Mc., Chaplain/Admissions Nativity School. No HC role. Does not have a doctorate. Entered Society of Jesus in 1970 Fr. M, MD, HC ’74. Associate Director Pre-health professions advising Fr. R. Professor of Theology, ordained 1972. Doctorate from Vanderbilt. Age, late 70s? Fr. S. MD, with residencies in pathology. Professor of Philosophy. Doctorate from Georgetown in 1996. Age around 70? Fr. V. HC ’72, Senior lecturer of classics. PhD Harvard in classical philosophy. Age around 71.
I believe HC has a requirement that all teaching faculty have a terminal degree for their field, or be on tenure track for such a degree.
The numerical rate of decline and the increasing average age suggest that a Jesuit at HC in 2043, the bicentennial year, will be a rara avis indeed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2021 11:21:15 GMT -5
The dwindling number of Jesuits at BC (self-described as one of the largest communities in the society). No description of what the other ten do. Perhaps they are with the province, at BC high, or parish priests.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 4, 2021 15:47:13 GMT -5
or retired?
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 4, 2021 18:55:41 GMT -5
The dwindling number of Jesuits at BC (self-described as one of the largest communities in the society). No description of what the other ten do. Perhaps they are with the province, at BC high, or parish priests. Knowing 2 of them, one (83 years old) lives there and works as an associate at St. Ignatius church after "retiring" as pastor of St. Charles in Woonsocket, RI and another (think he is considered in the BC Jesuit community) but resides at BC High, is almost 73 and is a '73 grad of Holy Cross and works at Holy Cross' Dinand library running the Jesuit deaf archives. Depending on when this count was made, another was a classmate of mine for 1 year at HC and was definitely in the BC Jesuit community but due to a number of health issues has been moved to an assisted living place.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2021 18:56:57 GMT -5
Yesterday, I compiled a brief list of the 13 members. I knew Fr. B. was leaving. Today, I learned the youngest member Father Mac is leaving this month for Fairfield. Without a replacement(s) the community will be down to 11, living in a 37,000 square foot Jesuit residence. Here are the 13 Fr. S., Rector of the community. age 77-78. Fr. B., President, age 73. Leaving Fr. C., Associate professor of religious studies. Graduate of Williams, Has been at HC for 20 years. Age unknown, but likely is age 60 or less. Fr. G., Associate professor of religious studies. Age unknown. Entered Society of Jesus in 1991, Likely age 60 or less. Fr. H., Associate chaplain for mission. Ordained 1985. Does not have a doctorate. Age 65 or so. Fr. L., Associate professor emeritus. PhD in History from BU. Age nearly 90 Fr. M., Assistant chaplain. Ordained 2018. Does not appear to have a doctorate. Leaving. Fr. M,, Associate Director of Admissions. Age about 90 Fr. Mc., Chaplain/Admissions Nativity School. No HC role. Does not have a doctorate. Entered Society of Jesus in 1970 Fr. M, MD, HC ’74. Associate Director Pre-health professions advising Fr. R. Professor of Theology, ordained 1972. Doctorate from Vanderbilt. Age, late 70s? Fr. S. MD, with residencies in pathology. Professor of Philosophy. Doctorate from Georgetown in 1996. Age around 70? Fr. V. HC ’72, Senior lecturer of classics. PhD Harvard in classical philosophy. Age around 71. I believe HC has a requirement that all teaching faculty have a terminal degree for their field, or be on tenure track for such a degree. The numerical rate of decline and the increasing average age suggest that a Jesuit at HC in 2043, the bicentennial year, with be a rara avis indeed. "In the Jesuit tradition" will be a well worn phrase in 2043. I am not concerned myself. If alive then, anyone in a dark jacket will look like a Jesuit to me.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 4, 2021 19:06:00 GMT -5
Fr. H. is HC’72.
Fr. H is a classmate of Fr. V.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2021 19:17:50 GMT -5
Fr. H. Is HC’72. Fr. H is a classmate of Fr. V. Thanks, I corrected the original list. Come end of June, of the present community, two will be ages 69 or less.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 4, 2021 19:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 4, 2021 21:46:06 GMT -5
Fordham lists 31 active Jesuits: 23 at Rose Hill, three at Fordham Prep and five at Lincoln Center.
Jesuit high schools are especially thin at this point. Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga (DC) have two Jesuits apiece, and that includes each school's president.
The Vatican II era S.J.'s are now in their 70's and 80's. Of course, the days of Jesuits like John McLaughlin or Robert Drinan appear to be long gone, too.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2021 22:01:36 GMT -5
Starting to sound like the "United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing" more commonly known as the Shakers. Perhaps the Jesuit Pope has helped recruitment globally.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 4, 2021 23:54:44 GMT -5
I always like to point out that Father L is from my neighborhood, that my late dear mother babysat him when she was a teenager, that his father was my barber, and that his brother ran a pizza parlor in the barber shop building after his father retired. Great guy--wish I had him in class.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2021 6:21:20 GMT -5
Thank you for the research. Loyola would have been designed around 1962-63, so sized for a community of 100+ Jesuits.. _____________ BC took over Weston Jesuit school of Theology (which had been in Cambridge) and moved it to the former grounds of the archdiocese's St. John's Seminary, which BC had bought. According to Wiki, there are 420 students in the BC School of Theology and Ministry, representing many faiths. 65 percent are lay, the 35 percent who are religious are from different orders and dioceses. I tend to think the 13 Jesuits in the BC Jesuit community tally who are doing graduate work include those enrolled in the BC (Weston) school of theology. BC and Santa Clara have the only Jesuit Schools of Theology in the U.S. (Santa Clara is part of the Graduate Theological Union at Berkeley.) If that's the case, longsuffering's analogy to the Shakers is quite apt.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2021 6:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2021 7:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 5, 2021 9:55:06 GMT -5
One of the four new Jesuits, Bill Woody, has a Holy Cross connection, teaching philosophy as well as the Montserrat program.
For the Society to survive, in the next generation, it will be necessary for a restructuring of the order. I wonder if the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, Arturo Sosa, has an undisclosed working group, looking at how the order can survive through the 21st Century. Currently there are approximately 16,378, Jesuits in the Society.
I foresee the Jesuits having to become diversified in their structure. In one column, there will be Jesuits, possibly married, who will be priest, and theologians. Another column of Jesuits, will be non priests, both male and female, who will take a different set of vows to follow Jesuit Magistrum, and embrace the concept of ad majorem Dei gloriam and Magis in their personal and professional life.
Lay faculty, who have embraced Ignatian Spirituality, Cura Personalis, Magis, who take these vows, would either be considered Jesuits, S.J or Jesuit Associates, S.J.A.
Now is not the time to “play ostrich” for the Society. It is vitally important, that they find a way to continue their mission. One that has provided a critical personal formation to many. As the world has evolved, so must the Jesuits.
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 5, 2021 11:51:03 GMT -5
Bob Keane SJ now heads the Jesuit Community in Philadelphia at St Joe's
I recall Bill Campbell '87 SJ telling the Cape Cod Club that, over the last 20 years, Holy Cross produces approx 1 priest for every 2000 male grads
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2021 22:22:23 GMT -5
Bob Keane SJ now heads the Jesuit Community in Philadelphia at St Joe's I recall Bill Campbell '87 SJ telling the Cape Cod Club that, over the last 20 years, Holy Cross produces approx 1 priest for every 2000 male grads That's a Priest every seven or eight years.
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 6, 2021 6:02:53 GMT -5
Bob Keane SJ now heads the Jesuit Community in Philadelphia at St Joe's I recall Bill Campbell '87 SJ telling the Cape Cod Club that, over the last 20 years, Holy Cross produces approx 1 priest for every 2000 male grads That's a Priest every seven or eight years. I think that up through 60's/70's it would be unusual if there wasn't a priest in each grad class
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 9:47:38 GMT -5
The Priesthood will be coed in ______ years?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 12:01:19 GMT -5
The Priesthood will be coed in ______ years? I'll say within twenty years. It worked for Holy Cross, it worked for Regis College, Emmanuel, Anna Maria, etc. It didn't work for Annhurst College, I believe they closed while still an all women Catholic College. There are single sex Catholic High Schools left but no single sex men's Catholic colleges and only three total. Of the 33 women's colleges a handful are Catholic. The all male Priesthood has lasted for two millennium but self preservation is a powerful instinct. It might depend on if the developing world adopts the gender equity positions of the West. Single sex American colleges going coed and the Priesthood are not exactly apples to apples I know.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 6, 2021 12:30:03 GMT -5
How long until we see married priests more frequently in the Latin rite as we now have in the Eastern rite of the Roman Catholic Church? After all, a number of sisters have already been ordained in Holland (going back several years). ...and before someday I know-nothing of this, I. served as an altar server for one of them a few years ago. I did ask her if I had to call her "Father" and she replied "reverend will serve nicely." .
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 12:44:58 GMT -5
How long until we see married priests more frequently in the Latin rite as we now have in the Eastern rite of the Roman Catholic Church? After all, a number of sisters have already been ordained in Holland (going back several years). ...and before someday I know-nothing of this, I. served as an altar server for one of them a few years ago. I did ask her if I had to call her "Father" and she replied "reverend will serve nicely." . You ring the bells the same way for a man or a woman, right?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 12:52:20 GMT -5
50-60 years ago there was one Jesuit for every 45 HC students. Today, it is about one Jesuit for every 310 students or so. Ninety percent fewer Jesuits over 50+ years. Continuing that same rate of decline, by 2043 there will be 95% fewer, and I seriously question whether the college can maintain a Jesuit identity with three or four Jesuits rambling around, all of whom will be geriatric given the present age curve. -------------- Anywayz, the West Province is ordaining five, several have impressive c.v.'s, one worked for the Office of the President of a certain institution celebrated by nhteamer's avatar. One of the five is returning to Paris, France, so I am not sure if the French Jesuits are more in need of bodies than the Americans. The Midwest province is ordaining eight., but there are no bios so I cant' judge backgrounds. It appears the Canada province may not be ordaining any, there is no announcement. In May 2020, the Canada province ordained one.
Assuming that 60 of the current <2,000 American Jesuits are dying each year, a reasonable, if understated assumption, the current rate of new Jesuit priests ordained each year is replacing less than a quarter.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 6, 2021 12:54:03 GMT -5
The God Squad: The Next Generation of Catholic Priests time.com/4810485/next-generation-of-catholic-priests/"No generation may ever be able to repeat the post–World War II priest boom, when droves of men were ordained at the average age of 28 and fewer laypeople could serve in leadership roles. But the share of men under age 29 who enter Catholic seminary has risen 15% in the past 15 years, according to CARA, and the average ordination age has fallen from 37 to 34." The new priests represent a cultural change in the church. For the first time, the next generation of Latino Catholics in the U.S. is larger than that of white Catholics. Only seven in 10 of the newest priests in the U.S. are white, compared with more than 9 in 10 U.S. priests overall, according to CARA.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 13:22:29 GMT -5
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