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Post by timholycross on Oct 24, 2016 7:41:09 GMT -5
That was the 2002 opener; HC won its second game, also on the road (GU?) and came home and laid an absolute egg against someone. Any interest or momentum built up was killed by that game and then the team went on to win one or two more that year (ended up 3-9 or 4-8). Plus, Dan Allen's illness came midseason and that seemed to put a black cloud over everything for quite a while.
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Post by HCFC45 on Oct 24, 2016 7:42:23 GMT -5
Regarding Saturday's loss to LU....
CTG has a reputation of getting hot under the collar during games. But, last Saturday, he was at his best (worse). He spent a good amount of time, play after play, going after players, coaches and refs. If he was that upset with the way thing were going in the game, what was the preparation for LU like during last week? Judging from his actions and the way he carried on, we did not prepare well or execute well. It all starts from the top, coaches down to players.
Time for a change!
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Post by purple1 on Oct 24, 2016 8:39:43 GMT -5
I noticed the same behavior on the HC sideline from CTG. He should resign for the good of the team and his own health......he looks out of control on the sideline and I am sure his verbal remarks make the players "tight".
Time for a change!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 24, 2016 17:36:15 GMT -5
I agree that a humiliating blowout to an FBS school (or the prospect of several over the next four years) would do anything for the program beyond a paycheck. We need to be at least somewhat respectable to get intangible benefits from these games for recruiting, fan interest, etc.
But as disappointing as we've been this year, we are not Howard or Delaware State (lost to Mizzou this year 79-3). Albany won their FBS game this year -- we're not THAT much worse than them. Definitely possible we get humiliated in one or more of those games but I'm not expecting 62-0 games across the board by any means, even if we aren't any better than we are this season.
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Post by rickii on Oct 26, 2016 11:54:55 GMT -5
I agree that a humiliating blowout to an FBS school (or the prospect of several over the next four years) would do anything for the program beyond a paycheck. We need to be at least somewhat respectable to get intangible benefits from these games for recruiting, fan interest, etc.
But as disappointing as we've been this year, we are not Howard or Delaware State (lost to Mizzou this year 79-3). Albany won their FBS game this year -- we're not THAT much worse than them. Definitely possible we get humiliated in one or more of those games but I'm not expecting 62-0 games across the board by any means, even if we aren't any better than we are this season.
Careful, if Lehigh can clock us 46-14 even average to below average teams like UConn, BC and Syracuse could easily match or exceed that score.
I saw the game replay and the one glaring thing I saw was an OL that was consistently awful. #'s 61 and 65 ( I think ) looked particularly lumbering and got beat badly multiple times by quicker Lehigh DL.
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Post by sarasota on Oct 26, 2016 14:16:02 GMT -5
I have the feeling that in future recruiting for OL we should be watching their feet instead of the bellies. Seriously.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 26, 2016 22:48:35 GMT -5
That was the 2002 opener; HC won its second game, also on the road (GU?) and came home and laid an absolute egg against someone. Any interest or momentum built up was killed by that game and then the team went on to win one or two more that year (ended up 3-9 or 4-8). Plus, Dan Allen's illness came midseason and that seemed to put a black cloud over everything for quite a while. Pretty sure it was Towson.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 26, 2016 23:37:41 GMT -5
2002 first four games
HC 30-21 vs Army at Army HC 41-13 at Georgetown HC 23-28 harvard at Harvard HC 10-42 vs Towson at Fitton Field
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 27, 2016 8:28:42 GMT -5
Regarding Saturday's loss to LU....
CTG has a reputation of getting hot under the collar during games. But, last Saturday, he was at his best (worse). He spent a good amount of time, play after play, going after players, coaches and refs. If he was that upset with the way thing were going in the game, what was the preparation for LU like during last week? Judging from his actions and the way he carried on, we did not prepare well or execute well. It all starts from the top, coaches down to players.
Time for a change! There was a sweep or run towards the near side sideline (HC going right to left on TV) where the Crusader running back had a nice run around the edge for a good gain. He fumbled the ball out of bounds as he was being tackled out of bounds, so no harm no foul. The TV announcers (particularly the color guy, who was extremely corny and awful) were heaping praise in the RB for the run. It was a fairly bland play. The next shot went to Gilmore, as this player was subbed out for a few plays. You could EASILY read Gilmore's lips: "HOLD ON TO THE F**KING BALL!" ... as the announcers said something along the lines of "Wow, Gilmore is fired up and happy about that play!" It was a pretty funny moment that highlighted CTG's attitude on the sideline with the complete ineptitude of the TV announcers, while HC was getting outplayed all around. Side note: I don't care that CTG yells at players or refs or anybody. Welcome to football. I just wished all my HC teams would win consistently.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2016 8:49:14 GMT -5
That is a great attitude for a winning coach...for one who is losing, not so much.
In NJ, the head coach of Paramus High School was replaced yesterday with no warning. He had a winning varsity football team and appeared to be about to take them to the state playoffs (with 1 more win). There was no official explanation. It is rumored that he may have been judged to be "too harsh" in yelling at his players and other negative behaviors on the sidelines (upsetting parents, fans and some of is players). I guess this is an issue at all levels.
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Post by rickii on Oct 27, 2016 9:02:06 GMT -5
Regarding Saturday's loss to LU....
CTG has a reputation of getting hot under the collar during games. But, last Saturday, he was at his best (worse). He spent a good amount of time, play after play, going after players, coaches and refs. If he was that upset with the way thing were going in the game, what was the preparation for LU like during last week? Judging from his actions and the way he carried on, we did not prepare well or execute well. It all starts from the top, coaches down to players.
Time for a change! There was a sweep or run towards the near side sideline (HC going right to left on TV) where the Crusader running back had a nice run around the edge for a good gain. He fumbled the ball out of bounds as he was being tackled out of bounds, so no harm no foul. The TV announcers (particularly the color guy, who was extremely corny and awful) were heaping praise in the RB for the run. It was a fairly bland play. The next shot went to Gilmore, as this player was subbed out for a few plays. You could EASILY read Gilmore's lips: "HOLD ON TO THE F**KING BALL!" ... as the announcers said something along the lines of "Wow, Gilmore is fired up and happy about that play!" It was a pretty funny moment that highlighted CTG's attitude on the sideline with the complete ineptitude of the TV announcers, while HC was getting outplayed all around. Side note: I don't care that CTG yells at players or refs or anybody. Welcome to football. I just wished all my HC teams would win consistently. Is Fr. K usually on the HC sideline ? If so, maybe he can/will comment.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2016 9:10:31 GMT -5
I tend to doubt that Father K would have any comment on this...not his sort of issue. He like to always take the high ground and to stay positive. I respect that.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2016 9:29:33 GMT -5
TG is "intense" and whether his team is winning or losing, he expects his players to give a 100% effort all the time. I could easily and understandably see him yelling at a player who "harmlessly" [my words] fumbled a ball out of bounds (I saw the play but TG's back was to me, so couldn't read his mouthed words) because I am sure he wants to ingrain in his ball carriers that they never let go of the ball and become a habit so there are no future fumbles in-bounds.
As to his language, I am sure that like most of his players and coaches, the "F-bomb" is used frequently for emphasis.
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Post by bikeman on Oct 27, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -5
I'd be pissed too knowing yet another season is over before November 1st.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 27, 2016 11:56:10 GMT -5
By no means am I a "coaching expert" but I have done it awhile (admittedly on a much lower-level)....I've learned you have to "pick your spots" imo....screaming/yelling etc at players and refs constantly becomes "white noise" to them and won't help in the long run. I've talked to a couple college football refs ovah the years and they refer to HCTG as "Happy Gilmore" (take-off from the film)....I think many tune him out after awhile.
Hardly my biggest complaint with TG though.....love his passion but it needs to be better directed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 27, 2016 11:59:41 GMT -5
TG has toned it down on the sidelines in a big way since his early years coaching HC. Like any football coach, he has his moments, but it's not what it used to be.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 27, 2016 12:21:04 GMT -5
Funny that sideline behavior never bothers fans when their team is winning. When a team is winning it's "passion" and a "fighting spirit". But when your team is losing - it's "a bad look" to some. I don't get it... This is FOOTBALL, not the chess club.
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Post by joe on Oct 27, 2016 12:44:26 GMT -5
I met one of Tom's d-lineman from his Dartmouth days. From what he said he's been intense from the get go. This guy had nothing but respect for the man and said he always had high expectations both athletically and academically and would extract the most from them. He's been following his career at HC closely and has been rooting for him.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2016 13:28:08 GMT -5
Funny that sideline behavior never bothers fans when their team is winning. When a team is winning it's "passion" and a "fighting spirit". But when your team is losing - it's "a bad look" to some. I don't get it... This is FOOTBALL, not the chess club. Having coached the chess club, among other sports, I take offense at that. Does throwing F-bombs make one a better player or make players perform at a higher level? I know many top high school coaches (both football and hoops) who never done so but have wining seasons and all-star players every year. I file that argument about excessive sideline behavior in the same cabinet as the belief that less intelligent students make better athletes. That can be seen as an insult to true scholar athletes. PS: I had a first team all-county running back as first board on my JV chess team.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 27, 2016 13:49:39 GMT -5
Funny that sideline behavior never bothers fans when their team is winning. When a team is winning it's "passion" and a "fighting spirit". But when your team is losing - it's "a bad look" to some. I don't get it... This is FOOTBALL, not the chess club. Having coached the chess club, among other sports, I take offense at that. Does throwing F-bobs make one a better player or make players perform at a higher level? I know many top high school coaches (both football and hoops) who never done so but have wining seasons and all-star players every year. I file that argument about excessive sideline behavior in the same cabinet as the belief that less intelligent students make better athletes. That can be seen as an insult to true scholar athletes. PS: I had a first team all-county running back as first board on my JV chess team. Rob - not saying it's right or that it's wrong to use colorful language and get fired up on the sidelines - or that it's needed or not. It's just of my opinion that its much ado about nothing giving the nature of sports - especially football.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2016 14:22:18 GMT -5
Having coached the chess club, among other sports, I take offense at that. Does throwing F-bombs make one a better player or make players perform at a higher level? I know many top high school coaches (both football and hoops) who never done so but have wining seasons and all-star players every year. I file that argument about excessive sideline behavior in the same cabinet as the belief that less intelligent students make better athletes. That can be seen as an insult to true scholar athletes. PS: I had a first team all-county running back as first board on my JV chess team. Rob - not saying it's right or that it's wrong to use colorful language and get fired up on the sidelines - or that it's needed or not. It's just of my opinion that its much ado about nothing giving the nature of sports - especially football. I agree with that 100%. (It doesn't help with chess either. )
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Post by sarasota on Oct 27, 2016 23:35:20 GMT -5
If we had a camera on the visitors side, I don't think we'd see CTG throwing a nutty. I remember sitting on the visitors side (as I usually did as that is the best view) about maybe 8 or 9 years ago. Throughout the game, CTG was going nuts, abusing refs and players. It was impossible to not notice. The people around me were speechless and was genuinely embarrassed. I was shocked.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2016 6:31:06 GMT -5
Disagree. TG is who he is and cameras, unless close ups are not going to change his demeanor.
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Post by sarasota on Oct 28, 2016 8:23:16 GMT -5
He would absolutely change his behavior. The folks in the home stands can't really see his antics as you would if you were looking right at him from the front via a camera on the visitors side. If we had the camera and CTG acted out as he is want to do, the letters would pour in, believe me.
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