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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 10, 2021 7:25:57 GMT -5
Liked his parents a lot; will miss them at the Hart. Wish Ryan well.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 10, 2021 7:31:47 GMT -5
If all/most of these players who are leaving are doing so because they perceive new recruits (mostly high school kids who, while getting good press, haven't played a minute of D-1 basketball) are better than they are, they are also likely getting that impression reinforced by the coaching staff. So, let's assume they are right and the new breed is better. Then, for me, time to see significantly better results in the win/loss column. Not against D-2 or D-3 teams, against our peers and higher level programs. And, no, I don't want moral victories as in "oh, they played much better and only lost by X points this year."
Crudely put: "put up or shut up."
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 10, 2021 7:33:22 GMT -5
newfieguy74,
I believe the short answer to your question its...yes. However, I do not know why he is choosing to leave. I do hope it is something he wants and that he is able to make a good choice that he will feel good about down the road. From all I hear he is a fine young man and for that reason, HC will be a bit poorer for his departure.
Best of luck, Ryan. May you have smooth seas and following winds on your journey.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 10, 2021 7:41:11 GMT -5
With absolutely no knowledge and only a possibility-aka speculation
Perhaps with all of the Covid craziness and general dysfunction in the program, he was exhausted and like his brother wants to be closer to home. While open to recruitment and playing, he might want to enjoy the college experience without playing. University of Michigan is in his backyard and would be a great option and possibly a step up in academic reputation.
Ryan is a solid m/m defender who could have a role and help a team like a Toledo/Bowling Green, and maybe with a new environment his offense will have a chance to develop and shine. He seemed to give his all to help the team, and his parents, like the Butler’s and many of the others, were incredibly supportive of their son, the other players, the team and Holy Cross.
I wish the Wade family health and happiness, and Ryan great success in all he does in school and life.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 10, 2021 11:00:57 GMT -5
I think Nelson wants his guards and wings to be able to create shots and attack the basket, as opposed to looking for open jumpers. Ryan didn't seem to be able to do that very often - he needed open looks. I can see him doing well in a different system.
He was a good defender, played hard all the time, and had his coach's respect, earning close to 30mpg. Will miss him and wish him the best.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 10, 2021 11:55:42 GMT -5
Strange development given how many minutes a game he got.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 10, 2021 11:57:41 GMT -5
If the players coach Nelson inherited were, say, Milan Brown type of players, the mass exodus would be more concerning to me (although I agree the timing here is odd). But the styles of play between the 2 coaches could not be more different. Add in the crazy last 15 months, and it amounts to a perfect storm in my mind. Time to move on it seems.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 10, 2021 13:10:00 GMT -5
Time to move if you wish to do so...taking your extra year of eligibility and the ability to play immediately with you.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 14:15:25 GMT -5
When you make a huge personal decision like this, an outside observer can analyze the optimum timing. But the right time is when it feels right to you.
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Post by Tom on Jun 10, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -5
When you make a huge personal decision like this, an outside observer can analyze the optimum timing. But the right time is when it feels right to you. Still thinking as an outside observer, but in a year when the Matts and Austins of the world are gobbling up open scholarships, when the time feels right to you might not be the best if you're still hoping for a free education
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 15:01:39 GMT -5
When you make a huge personal decision like this, an outside observer can analyze the optimum timing. But the right time is when it feels right to you. Still thinking as an outside observer, but in a year when the Matts and Austins of the world are gobbling up open scholarships, when the time feels right to you might not be the best if you're still hoping for a free education Somebody mentioned the University of Michigan. If he can get in there at in state rates and walk on that might be an attractive alternative to him to fighting Nelson's recruits for playing time as the last Carmody recruited player standing. Just conjecture of course. He's a fine young man and the world is his oyster at this point.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jun 10, 2021 16:02:06 GMT -5
I think Nelson wants his guards and wings to be able to create shots and attack the basket, as opposed to looking for open jumpers. Ryan didn't seem to be able to do that very often - he needed open looks. I can see him doing well in a different system. He was a good defender, played hard all the time, and had his coach's respect, earning close to 30mpg. Will miss him and wish him the best. Good observations! I liked Ryan a lot, he played hard and am sure practiced hard. He was a "shooter" more than a "driver" and as they say... shooters have to shoot... Will miss his family as well! Coach Keith Wade was always very personable and we enjoyed our time talking with him during the 2019 - 2020 season! We wish Ryan and his family all the best that life has to offer!
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 10, 2021 16:53:43 GMT -5
I just give myself a big headache trying to figure out why so many of these kids are making these crazy decisions. Playing college sports is nice but ephemeral (remember how fast those 4 years went by). Even so, it is the driving force behind so many illogical transfers.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 10, 2021 17:19:37 GMT -5
If all/most of these players who are leaving are doing so because they perceive new recruits (mostly high school kids who, while getting good press, haven't played a minute of D-1 basketball) are better than they are, they are also likely getting that impression reinforced by the coaching staff. So, let's assume they are right and the new breed is better. Then, for me, time to see significantly better results in the win/loss column. Not against D-2 or D-3 teams, against our peers and higher level programs. And, no, I don't want moral victories as in "oh, they played much better and only lost by X points this year." Crudely put: "put up or shut up." Coaches want their own players and my guess is Nelson is the same. I won't give him a pass on year one, but because of Covid I will for year two. I am looking for 16 plus wins or more this year.if he doesn't exceed expectations, pay him for an extra year for upgrading talent but if that is where we are it will be time to get a leader that can coach, teach and develop. So far not a fan of his coaching, and not sure if he or the staff are doing the recruiting. Gosh dang I sound like a jerk, but the school, alumni and players deserve the best they can have 🙏🏀✝️✝️✝️✝️
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 10, 2021 18:07:12 GMT -5
ND, how coincidental you posted this highlighted phrase as I had just written to some of my Classmates as we are celebrating 51 years to the day of our graduation from Holy Cross today. Here's part of what I wrote:
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 10, 2021 18:50:02 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has been on the job for 23 months. There has been a global pandemic for 15 of those months, and he has yet to have anything close to a “normal” recruiting cycle.
He inherited a team that finished in last place in the pL and was also losing its three best players.
He inherited a roster that was deeply flawed in terms of talent, balance (position + class year), and Holy Cross fit (too many guys who weren’t at HC for the right reason).
23 months later he has completely transformed the roster to a place where we actually have a chance going forward. He has drastically upgraded athleticism and playmaking ability. He has added size and length. He has brought in a transfer power forward who previously won conference rookie of the year and another transfer from the Mountain West.
There is certainly room for improvement in terms of play on the court/X’s and O’s, but I am mystified as to how people can complain about the job that Nelson has done transforming the roster, especially given all of the factors working against him.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 19:59:13 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has been on the job for 23 months. There has been a global pandemic for 15 of those months, and he has yet to have anything close to a “normal” recruiting cycle. He inherited a team that finished in last place in the pL and was also losing its three best players. He inherited a roster that was deeply flawed in terms of talent, balance (position + class year), and Holy Cross fit (too many guys who weren’t at HC for the right reason). 23 months later he has completely transformed the roster to a place where we actually have a chance going forward. He has drastically upgraded athleticism and playmaking ability. He has added size and length. He has brought in a transfer power forward who previously won conference rookie of the year and another transfer from the Mountain West. There is certainly room for improvement in terms of play on the court/X’s and O’s, but I am mystified as to how people can complain about the job that Nelson has done transforming the roster, especially given all of the factors working against him. One possible reason is that you sell him better and more often than he sells himself. That shouldn't be a factor but the Crusader faithful like to be wooed a bit and feel like they know their coach in exchange for the time and interest they invest in the program. The pandemic of course didn't help in that regard. The good news is that everything is relative and if we even flirt with .500 this season we all will be seeing a spotlight at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2021 20:01:54 GMT -5
You're mystified how some posters could be a bit skeptical about our coach? Have you checked the W-L record? Don't you think that might give some posters pause? You have repeatedly listed the extenuating circumstances he faced, but what good does "transforming the roster" do if it does not translate to winning more games?
I have not come to a final conclusion on our coach but we sure as hell must make a big move forward in this next season
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 10, 2021 20:04:00 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has been on the job for 23 months. There has been a global pandemic for 15 of those months, and he has yet to have anything close to a “normal” recruiting cycle. He inherited a team that finished in last place in the pL and was also losing its three best players. He inherited a roster that was deeply flawed in terms of talent, balance (position + class year), and Holy Cross fit (too many guys who weren’t at HC for the right reason). 23 months later he has completely transformed the roster to a place where we actually have a chance going forward. He has drastically upgraded athleticism and playmaking ability. He has added size and length. He has brought in a transfer power forward who previously won conference rookie of the year and another transfer from the Mountain West. There is certainly room for improvement in terms of play on the court/X’s and O’s, but I am mystified as to how people can complain about the job that Nelson has done transforming the roster, especially given all of the factors working against him. It’s amazing to see your perspective and spin on things when you like a coach (Nelson) vs. your disdain for the precious coach’s every doing (Carmody). Nelson better win soon because it’s his job and his boss’ job on the line if he doesn’t. Speaking of his boss, has Blossom cared to take care of Chesney yet?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 10, 2021 20:28:41 GMT -5
Wonder if he'd be spraying sunshine all over Nelson and the worst two year stretch of HC BB since WWII if NP had hired him.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 10, 2021 20:31:54 GMT -5
You're mystified how some posters could be a bit skeptical about our coach? Have you checked the W-L record? Don't you think that might give some posters pause? You have repeatedly listed the extenuating circumstances he faced, but what good does "transforming the roster" do if it does not translate to winning more games? I have not come to a final conclusion on our coach but we sure as hell must make a big move forward in this next season Re-read what I said. I was speaking specifically to the way he has rebuilt the roster. If you think the roster that he inherited is better than where it is now, you’ve been spending too much time watching the ponies. Some have asked some valid questions about X’s and O’s. I am willing to give him more runway that 1.5 seasons with a dysfunctional roster that he did not create. Nelson went 5-7 last year against teams that weren’t the 14-1 Colgate team that ran away with the pL. Grouping last year together with the Year 1 record is only something that someone who wasn’t actually paying attention to the play on the court would do.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 10, 2021 21:04:07 GMT -5
Looks as if Bo Montgomery has quickly taken Ryan’s uniform number 0
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2021 21:11:32 GMT -5
You're mystified how some posters could be a bit skeptical about our coach? Have you checked the W-L record? Don't you think that might give some posters pause? You have repeatedly listed the extenuating circumstances he faced, but what good does "transforming the roster" do if it does not translate to winning more games? I have not come to a final conclusion on our coach but we sure as hell must make a big move forward in this next season Re-read what I said. I was speaking specifically to the way he has rebuilt the roster. If you think the roster that he inherited is better than where it is now, you’ve been spending too much time watching the ponies. Some have asked some valid questions about X’s and O’s. I am willing to give him more runway that 1.5 seasons with a dysfunctional roster that he did not create. Nelson went 5-7 last year against teams that weren’t the 14-1 Colgate team that ran away with the pL. Grouping last year together with the Year 1 record is only something that someone who wasn’t actually paying attention to the play on the court would do. I love the technique you have used many times: if you dislike the coach you discount his record against weak teams; if you like the coach you jettison his record against good teams.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 10, 2021 21:48:05 GMT -5
Assume Carmody had continued to coach and compare the team he would have put on the floor in 21-22 versus the team that's going on the floor under Nelson. Nelson's team is a lot better. Carmody's recruiting had to ramp up considerably to even it out.
And I'm assuming in this comparison Lowder, Pridgen and Wade (sounds like a law firm) all stuck around, which is highly unlikely.
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Post by deep Purple on Jun 10, 2021 21:53:29 GMT -5
Sure. Move on in March or April. Why in June? Makes no sense. How many guys have transferred after playing under Nelson? Are we really blaming Nelson for upgrading the talent level to a place where Carmody guys are leaving because they have been leaped by his guys? It's a head scratcher to me that some of the poster's who normally appear to be levelheaded don't seem to have the slightest understanding of what it means to rebuild a program.
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