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Post by gks on Jun 10, 2021 13:30:04 GMT -5
Who gives a rat's a** what opponents think. I can't believe that this is even a consideration about night games.
I want lights but maybe the AD should get the football assistants a contract first......
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 14:04:39 GMT -5
On a championship staff without a contract or on a losing staff with a contract? Which is more attractive for an up and coming assistant coach? If Coach Chesney is the one communicating with his staff and making personnel decisions I'm not that worried. Of course he has a budget, but like in the old EF Hutton commercials, when he speaks to the Athletic and College Administration they listen. He has built the only championship program at HC.
Tying the Coach's hands would be a mixed blessing.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 10, 2021 15:14:47 GMT -5
From watching this year’s commencement occurring at the brightest point in the day, there was not an issue with the clarity of the picture for the new scoreboard. Until there is a major makeover to Fitton, that will allow sideline space for Lacrosse, the installation of permanent lights would be a waste of money. Temporary lights in the Football Field, for the games in the past against UMass and Monmouth seem to provide sufficient lighting for play. As noted, even with permanent lights, HC would still play only one night game a year, during the month of September. Dartmouth in 2019 had four home games and two of them were held at night (September 28th and October 25th) including a Friday night game on National TV. They don't get that National TV slot without lights. The game on September 28th was against Patriot League member Colgate.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 15:19:16 GMT -5
From watching this year’s commencement occurring at the brightest point in the day, there was not an issue with the clarity of the picture for the new scoreboard. Until there is a major makeover to Fitton, that will allow sideline space for Lacrosse, the installation of permanent lights would be a waste of money. Temporary lights in the Football Field, for the games in the past against UMass and Monmouth seem to provide sufficient lighting for play. As noted, even with permanent lights, HC would still play only one night game a year, during the month of September. Dartmouth in 2019 had four home games and two of them were held at night (September 28th and October 25th) including a Friday night game on National TV. They don't get that National TV slot without lights. The game on September 28th was against Patriot League member Colgate. I bet they wish the town of Hanover paid for their lights like the city of Worcester paid for ours at Polar Park.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 15:20:53 GMT -5
Our Polar Park game will be carried nationally on ESPN+ and locally on Spectrum TV.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 10, 2021 15:25:26 GMT -5
Our Polar Park game will be carried nationally on ESPN+ and locally on Spectrum TV. Dartmouth was on ESPNU a little bit bigger than a streaming service.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2021 15:28:00 GMT -5
Our Polar Park game will be carried nationally on ESPN+ and locally on Spectrum TV. Dartmouth was on ESPNU a little bit bigger than a streaming service. But not quite ESPN or the Deuce.😋 Apologies for carrying this out to infinity.😂
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 10, 2021 16:07:47 GMT -5
Ivy League has a contract with ESPN to televise their games. I don't think it broke the ratings with Darmtouth vs Colagte.
IVY league can talk to me when they play in the playoffs.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 10, 2021 17:00:32 GMT -5
HC coaching contracts generally start on July 1, and end on June 30 the following year. If the assistant coaches were currently under contract for the 2021-22 season, and Chesney decided to fire a coach on July 4, 2021, the coach is paid for the entire season.
For those who remember the BG saga, HC let his contract expire and did not renew. Head coaches contracts are often multi-year, e.g., BC's contract which will apparently expire, unless renewed, on June 30, 2022. TG was paid for the remaining period on his contract.
I can't speak to staff who were furloughed during COVID. However, a furloughed coach shouldn't be able to recruit or perform coaching duties. Trainers may well have been furloughed during COVID, when there were no athletes on campus. Being on furlough, they should have qualified for the rather generous COVID-related unemployment benefits. the average weekly benefit in MA in the summer of 2020 was $1,045. ($600 of that amount was a special Federal benefit.)
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Post by rickii on Jun 12, 2021 10:13:29 GMT -5
Were the ADMB remarks part of a Zoom event or something else? This was a Zoom event. Supposedly arranged as part of reunion weekend. Far fewer actually joined the Zoom than had registered, and he joked about getting in touch with the no shows. _________________ He said that he wants to see more students attending games. They will run buses to Polar Park, and buses back, but he expects that many students will stay in Worcester after the game. He expects students will stay in Worcester doing what exactly???
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 12, 2021 10:23:10 GMT -5
Have you been in the area of Polar Park recently? It's a short walk up Shrewsbury Street to several fine (and a few less than fine) dining establishemnts and HC16 will tell you that the college had a shuttle to Kelley Square on Thursday nights to ensure HC students had safe transport back to campus following an evening of socializing at several of the bars in the area. I imagine that scene has and will only improve since the Woo Sox came to town.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 12, 2021 10:42:43 GMT -5
ADMB stated that HC would run buses from campus down to Polar Park for students, and they would run buses back to campus at the conclusion of the game. He further stated that they would not be running buses all night, as he expected many students to socialize at establishments at/near Polar Park. The stragglers will have to find their own way back to campus.
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Post by rickii on Jun 12, 2021 10:59:14 GMT -5
Screw the PL teams. We control when we start our games. Bucknell had no problem keeping fans and parents out of their stadium. MB needs to start worrying about his and our school and not other PL teams. HC is not going to draw many fans to a night game in late October - November at Fitton Field. From his standpoint, he wants to see how much Worcester fan support there is for games at Polar Park, and for hoops games at the Hart. He said if they played the Icebreaker games at the DCU, he thought attendance would be several thousand. He also said he wants road games for football to be a more memorable experience for the players. This specifically included spending more time in a city, gaining more from a visit than just playing the game there. He seems to be keen on giving the players experiences they will remember, not just the football game. While he did not say this, one could interpret the idea of memorable location to be a criterion when scheduling OOC opponents. We don’t draw fans for day games in late October-November at Fitton Field either. Worcester fans became disinterested in HC games since before Duffner left. And they haven’t been up to Hart since Willard left. How can Blossom have not done his homework on this? Just spit balling here but doubt Colgate is giving their kids a guided tour of San Francisco or even Palo Alto when they play Stanford next season. Guaranteed the attraction for the team is THE GAME in a 50,000 seat PAC-10 stadium! That’s the experience they will remember. If this is Blossom’s mindset, playing a game in Honolulu, Ireland or New Orleans would fit the bill. Maybe we’ll take the team to see Niagara Falls when we play Buffalo?
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Post by rickii on Jun 12, 2021 11:05:45 GMT -5
Have you been in the area of Polar Park recently? It's a short walk up Shrewsbury Street to several fine (and a few less than fine) dining establishemnts and HC16 will tell you that the college had a shuttle to Kelley Square on Thursday nights to ensure HC students had safe transport back to campus following an evening of socializing at several of the bars in the area. I imagine that scene has and will only improve since the Woo Sox came to town. Wait, are you suggesting the students will actually go out drinking post game? Think they know about Ubering back to campus?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 12, 2021 11:41:27 GMT -5
HC is not going to draw many fans to a night game in late October - November at Fitton Field. From his standpoint, he wants to see how much Worcester fan support there is for games at Polar Park, and for hoops games at the Hart. He said if they played the Icebreaker games at the DCU, he thought attendance would be several thousand. He also said he wants road games for football to be a more memorable experience for the players. This specifically included spending more time in a city, gaining more from a visit than just playing the game there. He seems to be keen on giving the players experiences they will remember, not just the football game. While he did not say this, one could interpret the idea of memorable location to be a criterion when scheduling OOC opponents. We don’t draw fans for day games in late October-November at Fitton Field either. Worcester fans became disinterested in HC games since before Duffner left. And they haven’t been up to Hart since Willard left. How can Blossom have not done his homework on this? Just spit balling here but doubt Colgate is giving their kids a guided tour of San Francisco or even Palo Alto when they play Stanford next season. Guaranteed the attraction for the team is THE GAME in a 50,000 seat PAC-10 stadium! That’s the experience they will remember. If this is Blossom’s mindset, playing a game in Honolulu, Ireland or New Orleans would fit the bill. Maybe we’ll take the team to see Niagara Falls when we play Buffalo?Hopefully this is true. Arrive on Thursday evening, Study hall and zoom sessions on Friday morning, Lunch at the falls, with a boat ride on the Maid of the Mist, walkthrough practice in the afternoon, final film session in the evening,. Next day, Game time. This is why the current AD may be successful with given proper perspective and detail to the needs of our teams. The 90 young men on the football team are STUDENT-athletes. See no reason not to have cultural enrichment as part of the team trip. It certainly provides an additional bonding opportunity both short term, and long term. Years later, great stories to tell at reunion. Since you mentioned the Stanford trip by Colgate, have you been to the campus? Other attractions include Carmel, Monterey, Santa Cruz, and Big Sur. Would be a shame for the team to fly 3,000 miles and just sit in a hotel room, then return on a red eye flight.
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Post by gks on Jun 12, 2021 12:57:43 GMT -5
Football coaches like nothing more than trading prep time for sight-seeing.
Good grief.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 12, 2021 13:32:04 GMT -5
Honolulu? Any alum packages available? Forget the game. Enjoy the big surf on Waimea Bay on the North side of Oahu. An HC Luau on the beach. - Purple & Pineapple. Have visited the Rainbow State a few time. Aloha!
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 12, 2021 15:17:50 GMT -5
Football coaches like nothing more than trading prep time for sight-seeing. Good grief. Organized coaches like Chesney can do both well and use one to enhance the other. I like the concept especially for the walk ons and other reserves who don't get a large amount of playing time for their year round dedication.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 12, 2021 15:22:14 GMT -5
How much Prep time is needed the actual day before a game in the current environment? Certainly not 8 to 16 hours for the entire team on a Friday. What....4 to 5 hours at most. What is the team doing the other 19 to 20 hours while on the road? Sleep for 10 hours, then what else, idle time to get into trouble for 10 hours. Maybe find a Gold’s Gym or a Fitness Center? Better to have additional structure around local cultural activities for team bonding than to have the guys sitting around their hotel rooms playing video games.
Unlike in the past, video game study can be done by position by laptop or iPad when on the road. If an individual coach needs more time to prepare, he certainly can have a video session by his position group after dinner in the team hotel. I would guess that for extended travel, the team would leave on a Thursday night instead of Friday morning to get everyone acclimated and to provide a site walk thru on Friday afternoon, with additional video prep in the evening.
Can’t use a 20th Century coaching model, to be successful in the 21st Century. Guess some coaches are still against hydration breaks.......
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Post by ignatius on Jun 13, 2021 14:01:56 GMT -5
Who gives a rat's a** what opponents think. I can't believe that this is even a consideration about night games. I want lights but maybe the AD should get the football assistants a contract first...... Then open your checkbook. The complaints and ad hominem comments on this thread are maddening. We finally have a product worth showcasing. One that the City may actually show up to support. I applaud the vision of the athletics dept. for thinking outside the box. Lights at Fitton? Sure. But on who’s dime? Ya’ll are out of touch in a number of ways...beginning with what the students and student athletes care about. The generational split here couldn’t be more obvious.
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Post by ignatius on Jun 13, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -5
This was a Zoom event. Supposedly arranged as part of reunion weekend. Far fewer actually joined the Zoom than had registered, and he joked about getting in touch with the no shows. _________________ He said that he wants to see more students attending games. They will run buses to Polar Park, and buses back, but he expects that many students will stay in Worcester after the game. He expects students will stay in Worcester doing what exactly??? Such an ignorant comment.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 13, 2021 14:37:00 GMT -5
FWIW I think it is a fine idea for HC students to take part in the life Worcester has to offer. Too many of us(myself included )kept ourselves apart "looking down" from Mt. St James in splendid isolation. Occasionally, we went to Shrewsbury Street for food, the annual Eastern Sprints on the lake. My only other forays into Worcester were to the Purple Package Store with the guys, the Woo Diner, occasionally Coney Island and to the Auditorium for raucus basketball games and to sneak off campus at night to drink coffee and observe the interesting late night scene at a cafeteria style place. ( Bickford's? Name escapes me). We missed out on so much more of the city. Hope today's students will use the excursions to Polar Park & more to take fuller advantage of all the city has to offer.
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Post by football44 on Jun 14, 2021 7:34:04 GMT -5
HC coaching contracts generally start on July 1, and end on June 30 the following year. If the assistant coaches were currently under contract for the 2021-22 season, and Chesney decided to fire a coach on July 4, 2021, the coach is paid for the entire season. For those who remember the BG saga, HC let his contract expire and did not renew. Head coaches contracts are often multi-year, e.g., BC's contract which will apparently expire, unless renewed, on June 30, 2022. TG was paid for the remaining period on his contract. I can't speak to staff who were furloughed during COVID. However, a furloughed coach shouldn't be able to recruit or perform coaching duties. Trainers may well have been furloughed during COVID, when there were no athletes on campus. Being on furlough, they should have qualified for the rather generous COVID-related unemployment benefits. the average weekly benefit in MA in the summer of 2020 was $1,045. ($600 of that amount was a special Federal benefit.) Pakachoag Phreek you seem to be a big supporter of ADMB. Responding to you regarding coaches getting Covid related pay. How do you feel about assistant coaches and for that matter our head coach being grossly under paid compared to the other coaches in the PL? How is it that the HC BB coach is paid more than our winning football coach? How is it that Tom Gilmore is making more money than Coach Chesney? As for contracts expiring on a set date how many coaches get their contracts torn up and renewed way before its term date? Many do. Coach Chesney and his staff and team are doing more for the exposure of Holy Cross than ANY other scholarship team on that campus. They need to be treated as such or they'll be out the door and we'll be talking about which Division 3 coach ADMB will interview for the job.
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Post by gks on Jun 14, 2021 8:48:38 GMT -5
Who gives a rat's a** what opponents think. I can't believe that this is even a consideration about night games. I want lights but maybe the AD should get the football assistants a contract first...... Then open your checkbook. The complaints and ad hominem comments on this thread are maddening. We finally have a product worth showcasing. One that the City may actually show up to support. I applaud the vision of the athletics dept. for thinking outside the box. Lights at Fitton? Sure. But on who’s dime? Ya’ll are out of touch in a number of ways...beginning with what the students and student athletes care about. The generational split here couldn’t be more obvious. Why can every Division 2 and 3 school in Central Massachusetts afford lights yet the mighty Holy Cross can't? HC's checkbook is bigger than all of them combined. I am for lights. It's ridiculous they are not at Fitton. Should have been done when the Worcester Tornadoes put the lights on the baseball field.
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Post by gks on Jun 14, 2021 9:02:09 GMT -5
HC coaching contracts generally start on July 1, and end on June 30 the following year. If the assistant coaches were currently under contract for the 2021-22 season, and Chesney decided to fire a coach on July 4, 2021, the coach is paid for the entire season. For those who remember the BG saga, HC let his contract expire and did not renew. Head coaches contracts are often multi-year, e.g., BC's contract which will apparently expire, unless renewed, on June 30, 2022. TG was paid for the remaining period on his contract. I can't speak to staff who were furloughed during COVID. However, a furloughed coach shouldn't be able to recruit or perform coaching duties. Trainers may well have been furloughed during COVID, when there were no athletes on campus. Being on furlough, they should have qualified for the rather generous COVID-related unemployment benefits. the average weekly benefit in MA in the summer of 2020 was $1,045. ($600 of that amount was a special Federal benefit.) Pakachoag Phreek you seem to be a big supporter of ADMB. Responding to you regarding coaches getting Covid related pay. How do you feel about assistant coaches and for that matter our head coach being grossly under paid compared to the other coaches in the PL? How is it that the HC BB coach is paid more than our winning football coach? How is it that Tom Gilmore is making more money than Coach Chesney? As for contracts expiring on a set date how many coaches get their contracts torn up and renewed way before its term date? Many do. Coach Chesney and his staff and team are doing more for the exposure of Holy Cross than ANY other scholarship team on that campus. They need to be treated as such or they'll be out the door and we'll be talking about which Division 3 coach ADMB will interview for the job. There are certain people with heads in the sand that have no clue of the current athletic situation on College Hill. ADs change, Presidents change yet HC's support for athletics, especially football, is nothing more than half-way if that. Those with offices in the ancient brick buildings have no idea what they have in the current football coach.
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