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Post by hc17 on Jun 17, 2021 10:18:57 GMT -5
With Sommer and Sorenson reportedly joining Riga's staff, does that leave us a little light on experience? Or will another experienced head be joining the staff?
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Post by aaa8316 on Jun 20, 2021 21:50:31 GMT -5
It's Holy Cross... For "experience" you get a Head Coach. A first-time Head Coach in this latest case.
As of 3 months ago when this new hiring process started, the salary pool for Asst's at Holy Cross for Men's Hockey was lowest in Division 1. Yes, dead last. Who knows if Riga was able to raise that salary pool as part of his negotiations??
I'm a big fan of getting a young-er Alum back on staff in Sommer. Looking back to the best years this program ever head, they always had an alum as an Asst that crushed it on the road: Terrence Butt, Brian Akashian, Rob Godfrey
BTW: Paul Pearl was available during this hire, and is now really available. Funny how that works.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2021 4:21:53 GMT -5
What is your source to be able to post that HC assistant salaries are lowest in D1? While I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they were below average, dead last would shock me.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jun 21, 2021 10:12:42 GMT -5
What is your source to be able to post that HC assistant salaries are lowest in D1? While I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they were below average, dead last would shock me. I know personally numerous D1 Asst's in the game currently. "...dead last would shock me." Welcome to Holy Cross friend -- get used to this sentiment.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2021 14:13:19 GMT -5
What is your source to be able to post that HC assistant salaries are lowest in D1? While I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they were below average, dead last would shock me. I know personally numerous D1 Asst's in the game currently. "...dead last would shock me." Welcome to Holy Cross friend -- get used to this sentiment. Great to have your industry knowledge aaa. What is your thinking on the hire of both Coach Riga and Coach Repport in MLax from the standpoint of them being well qualified and experienced former assistant coaches as opposed to successful head coaches from a lower division. Would the salary range required be about the same for each approach and have you noticed a pattern in results from either approach or is it more case by case with no clear pattern?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 21, 2021 18:44:25 GMT -5
What is your source to be able to post that HC assistant salaries are lowest in D1? While I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they were below average, dead last would shock me. What makes you think that the school with the worst facility in Atlantic Hockey would be having good pay for assistant coaches? If you haven't seen, most of the hockey assistants are very inexperienced for being D-1 coaches. Last year, they had the former Associate HC at Trinity, the volunteer assistant coach from ND (was an assistant at Hamilton for four years before that), and the former GM/HC of the Walpole Express. Not really the most experienced staff there. Now, they will have the former head coach at Rivier University (who never coached a game there) that spent time before that at as an assistant at Williams College for two seasons and Castan Sommer who has never coached college hockey before and was with the Seattle Thunderbirds of the WHL this past season as an Assistant Coach.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2021 18:54:18 GMT -5
Stop putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t say that I believed they were paid well. I said I didn’t believe they were paid the worst. That’s a big difference. Just because someone knows some assistant coaches doesn’t prove anything.
Just looking for some objectivity. Yeah, it’s an opinion board but statements shouldn’t be made that imply they are factual when they are not.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2021 20:23:12 GMT -5
I'm no Phreek when it comes to research, but a quick check indicates Worcester's cost of living is 102 compared to the national average of 100 while Erie, PA the home of AHA member school Mercyhurst is 74. It would be hard, but not impossible for HC to pay assistant coaches less than Mercyhurst.
When Peter Van Buskirk became the men's hockey head coach in 1979 he kept his full time job as a teacher at Hudson High School. So hockey salaries have progressed from a very low base at HC.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jun 21, 2021 21:35:10 GMT -5
I know personally numerous D1 Asst's in the game currently. "...dead last would shock me." Welcome to Holy Cross friend -- get used to this sentiment. Great to have your industry knowledge aaa. What is your thinking on the hire of both Coach Riga and Coach Repport in MLax from the standpoint of them being well qualified and experienced former assistant coaches as opposed to successful head coaches from a lower division. Would the salary range required be about the same for each approach and have you noticed a pattern in results from either approach or is it more case by case with no clear pattern? I can't speak for Lax....no perspective there. But I know Div 1 and Div 3 hockey. And I know to a pretty good detail salaries across the board. While many here may find it hard to believe how poorly paid HC Men's Hockey coaches are typically (Head or Asst's)....it's the truth. Riga when hired increased the salary for both him, and the Asst's salary pool. How much, I don't know at this time. But anything is better than it was (last year, or the previous 30). Riga at the helm makes this program better, bottom line. Looking forward to seeing what he and his staff (includes an alum) can do.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jun 22, 2021 14:25:23 GMT -5
Marcus has stated in at least two public forums that salaries for assistant coaches at HC are "at or near the bottom relative to other PL schools." Hence, I have no reason to doubt aa8316's assertions. At the risk of stating the obvious, if you care about athletics at HC, then cut a check to the CAF or attend the upcoming golf outing.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 22, 2021 17:30:11 GMT -5
Well "at or near" the bottom of the PL does.not necessarily mean the same as the lowest in all of Division 1. (which was said at the start this back and forth)
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 22, 2021 19:19:34 GMT -5
Having successful sports teams at a small Catholic selective New England liberal arts college is challenging enough. The best way to offset some of these challenges is to hire outstanding coaches. Paying coaches poorly guarantees mediocrity, or worse.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 22, 2021 20:08:42 GMT -5
Well "at or near" the bottom of the PL does.not necessarily mean the same as the lowest in all of Division 1. (which was said at the start this back and forth) Lowest in D-1 Hockey which the Patriot League doesn't sponsor...
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 22, 2021 20:19:11 GMT -5
Well "at or near" the bottom of the PL does.not necessarily mean the same as the lowest in all of Division 1. (which was said at the start this back and forth) Lowest in D-1 Hockey which the Patriot League doesn't sponsor... True, but PL schools do...HC, Boston University, Colgate, and Army for starters.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2021 20:31:20 GMT -5
Well "at or near" the bottom of the PL does.not necessarily mean the same as the lowest in all of Division 1. (which was said at the start this back and forth) Lowest in D-1 Hockey which the Patriot League doesn't sponsor... So you think an HC hockey assistant earns less in actual dollars than an assistant at Mercyhurst in Erie, PA where the cost of living is 28% less than Worcester? How can the Sisters of Mercy afford to pay more than the Jesuits? I can believe the good Sisters are more generous but where do they get the money? Is D-1 AHA hockey a big draw at Mercyhurst? I wonder if they complain about the league holding them back or are more appreciative of it?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 22, 2021 21:24:46 GMT -5
Has a lot more to do with dedication by the school to the program than cost of living in the area.
Also a guy on my baseball club played hockey at Mercyhurst and says the assistants there do all the heavy lifting for the head coach who has been there over 30 yrs and is basically nothing more than a figurehead.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2021 0:15:45 GMT -5
Lowest in D-1 Hockey which the Patriot League doesn't sponsor... So you think an HC hockey assistant earns less in actual dollars than an assistant at Mercyhurst in Erie, PA where the cost of living is 28% less than Worcester? How can the Sisters of Mercy afford to pay more than the Jesuits? I can believe the good Sisters are more generous but where do they get the money? Is D-1 AHA hockey a big draw at Mercyhurst? I wonder if they complain about the league holding them back or are more appreciative of it? Mercyhurst went 5-29-2 in 2019-2020 and AVERAGED 807 fans while Holy Cross went 11-21-5 and averaged 888 with Hockey East's Merrimack and a LARGE independent school in Arizona State coming to town. In 2018-2019 season, Mercyhurst AVERAGED 1,214 while Holy Cross had 887 to finish 55th in the country out of 60 teams and that number was inflated with a 2502 person crowd against Providence College. The last time before 2019-2020 that Mercyhurst was behind Holy Cross was 2012-2013 campaign. So ya, Mercyhurst when they are not dreadful draw much better.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 23, 2021 0:20:45 GMT -5
Lowest in D-1 Hockey which the Patriot League doesn't sponsor... True, but PL schools do...HC, Boston University, Colgate, and Army for starters. Only Army plays at the Holy Cross men's level. It is night and day to compared Colgate/BU Men's Hockey to Holy Cross. The women play at the same level at BU and Colgate.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 23, 2021 7:13:53 GMT -5
So you agree that half of the PL schools do have hockey. Thank you. I thought we were discussing the pay of assistant coaches. If there was a discussion here of the level of play, I am afraid I missed it. Sorry..
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 24, 2021 11:16:06 GMT -5
So you agree that half of the PL schools do have hockey. Thank you. I thought we were discussing the pay of assistant coaches. If there was a discussion here of the level of play, I am afraid I missed it. Sorry.. Comparing Hockey East/ECAC schools to Atlantic Hockey is like Apples to Oranges. Hockey East is probably the second best conference in the country (third in money behind the Big 10 and NCHC) and the ECAC is probably the fourth in terms of competition. Holy Cross plays men's hockey in the worst D-1 conference in the country. The salaries of coaches reflect that.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 24, 2021 12:00:01 GMT -5
Where are the hockey teams and their leagues ranked, or is this simply your opinion? You said that the PL does not sponsor ice hockey now you say the conference is the "worst" in the country. Which is it?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 24, 2021 13:21:24 GMT -5
Ice Hockey is not a sport sponsored by the Patriot League. patriotleague.org/I believe he was referring to Atlantic Hockey being the worst conference. A possible reason for Atlantic Hockey being perceived as a lower conference, is the number of schools such as AIC, Bentley, RIT, Mercyhurst, only playing one sport, Ice Hockey, as a Division 1 sport.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 24, 2021 13:23:24 GMT -5
Where are the hockey teams and their leagues ranked, or is this simply your opinion? You said that the PL does not sponsor ice hockey now you say the conference is the "worst" in the country. Which is it? HC plays hockey in the AHA not the PL, which doesn't sponsor hockey...or wrestling or gymnastics, etc.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 24, 2021 14:12:02 GMT -5
Is the AHA the worst hockey league in the country?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 24, 2021 14:16:55 GMT -5
The AHA is the clearly the weakest of the six D1 conferences.
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