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Post by rgs318 on Jun 22, 2021 9:02:18 GMT -5
I have seen (several times) posts that refer to the last two years as if they were a single season, giving a combined record percentage and demanding improvement. Just to clarify things a bit. In 2019-20 the team was 3-29 for a winning percentage of .096. Last season, against a stronger PL schedule - against top PL teams for the most part they were 5-11 for a winning percentage of .315. I believe that shows a clear improvement. By that same standard, this year needs, of course, to show a winning record with a winning percentage over .534. I believe, with the talent HC has and adequate time to prepare the players and the team, that is a conservative goal.
Of course, if one simply lumps that in with the won/loss records of the past two seasons, that will not be reached. Might I suggest we actually look at what is going on with this team, year by year, and refrain from trying to lump together whatever numbers meet our personal beliefs? If we can do that, IMHO, we have something that can be used to evaluate the team and our coaches.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 22, 2021 9:25:16 GMT -5
This would make sense if it weren’t from the new Crossports law that logic and reason are banned during the Nelson era.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 22, 2021 9:31:04 GMT -5
To rephrase a statement I made a month or so ago, I hope that if we compare the record in 21-22 to what I think the record would have been with the previous administration still running things; the former will be noticeably better than the latter and clearly on the upswing (agree that going from .096 to .315 is not going to win any awards).
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 22, 2021 9:32:02 GMT -5
So it was fine to endlessly hammer away at Carmody's overall record at HC, but Nelson gets a pass on it? OK...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 22, 2021 10:13:27 GMT -5
This would make sense if it weren’t from the new Crossports law that logic and reason are banned during the Nelson era. So, it must be frustrating for you to realize that you are the only law-abiding citizen on this board. |
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Post by HC92 on Jun 22, 2021 10:15:58 GMT -5
11-7 in PL or better. No excuses.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 22, 2021 11:10:51 GMT -5
So it was fine to endlessly hammer away at Carmody's overall record at HC, but Nelson gets a pass on it? OK... Again, logic and reason may not be your strong suit, but consistent underperformance over a period of time indicates a negative trend. For example, 17 consecutive season without a conference record > .500 is quite meaningful. One full year + one shortened season (with significant improvement in record) does not indicate a negative trend. (Nobody is giving Nelson a pass, btw. Those with a clue have focused more on other aspects related to building the program from the ashes beyond just W’s and L’s through 1.5 years.) |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 22, 2021 11:18:25 GMT -5
Not sure what the number is for me, but I would trade off their coming up a game or two under my expectation if they can beat Colgate, in regular season or in the tournament. They are the measuring stick, and our guys got to see them up close and personal. That door needs to be knocked down. A positive in my eyes is that I don't feel like our guys played scared against them at all for the most part. Sure, there was a 40 point loss, but those type of games were happening all over the land last year.
Since I brought up Willard in the recruiting thread, I also want to clarify that I wasn't trying to compare RW with Coach Nelson; that wouldn't be fair. Frankly, I think he is an exception (in terms of being able/willing to play different styles). Seems most guys will go with what they are most comfortable with. That's why RW was special; if he had Sankes/Whearty/Szatko and company try to play 94 by 50 they would have been doomed. Just pointing out that no one else has gone away from his comfort zone since.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 22, 2021 11:46:44 GMT -5
I think a hard-line stance on W’s and L’s before seeing the full schedule, seeing the team (especially with so much potential in year 1-2 leaps, plus some promising new contributors), and seeing opponents is pretty silly.
But as far as PL performance goes, I would break expectations down as:
-HC finish in 4-6 range
vs 1-3 teams: 2-4
-1 win at home
-1 additional win at home or steal one on road
vs 4-6 teams: 2-2 *HC included in group
-split as baseline
vs 7-10 teams: 6-2
-team is still young and inexperienced, this susceptible to a couple letdown games in the first season that the vast majority of the roster will be playing a full conference schedule
That sets a target at 10-8 — finishing above .500, something that wasn’t accomplished in the 5 years prior to Nelson taking over and in 8 of the prior10 years.
This would also be the final year that I would say the 4-6 range in the PL is acceptable.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2021 20:39:58 GMT -5
I this a hard-line stance on W’s and L’s before seeing the full schedule, seeing the team (especially with so much potential in year 1-2 leaps, plus some promising new contributors), and seeing opponents is pretty silly. But as far as PL performance goes, I would break expectations down as: -HC finish in 4-6 range vs 1-3 teams: 2-4 -1 win at home -1 additional win at home or steal one on road vs 4-6 teams: 2-2 *HC included in group -split as baseline vs 7-10 teams: 6-2 -team is still young and inexperienced, this susceptible to a couple letdown games in the first season that the vast majority of the roster will be playing a full conference schedule That sets a target at 10-8 — finishing above .500, something that wasn’t accomplished in the 5 years prior to Nelson taking over and in 8 of the 10 years. This would also be the final year that I would say the 4-6 range in the PL is acceptable. Reasonable. |
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jun 23, 2021 7:57:35 GMT -5
So it was fine to endlessly hammer away at Carmody's overall record at HC, but Nelson gets a pass on it? OK... Again, logic and reason may not be your strong suit, but consistent underperformance over a period of time indicates a negative trend. For example, 17 consecutive season without a conference record > .500 is quite meaningful. One full year + one shortened season (with significant improvement in record) does not indicate a negative trend. (Nobody is giving Nelson a pass, btw. Those with a clue have focused more on other aspects related to building the program from the ashes beyond just W’s and L’s through 1.5 years.) BBC, when was the last time a head coach at NU posted a winning record in the Big Ten? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 10:24:45 GMT -5
Again, logic and reason may not be your strong suit, but consistent underperformance over a period of time indicates a negative trend. For example, 17 consecutive season without a conference record > .500 is quite meaningful. One full year + one shortened season (with significant improvement in record) does not indicate a negative trend. (Nobody is giving Nelson a pass, btw. Those with a clue have focused more on other aspects related to building the program from the ashes beyond just W’s and L’s through 1.5 years.) BBC, when was the last time a head coach at NU posted a winning record in the Big Ten? James Naismith? |
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2021 13:10:29 GMT -5
Kind of interesting how different people can look at the same facts and come up with different interpretations.
Coach Carmody didn't have winning conference records at Northwestern => he did a bad job at Northwestern
Coach Carmody didn't have winning conference records at Northwestern, but he won more than anyone else and had only post season invitations in the approx 100 year history of the program
=> he did a good job at Northwestern
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Post by mm67 on Jun 23, 2021 14:49:32 GMT -5
"... people can look at the same facts and come up with different interpretations." Very wise. This happens all the time.
See old Indian proverb "Six Blind Men and the Elephant."
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