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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 22, 2021 10:46:45 GMT -5
We're starting to see renewed discussions about how many games the Crusaders must win in 21-22 for the poster to have confidence that Coach Nelson is the right coach for HC. We had the program's worst season ever in his first season and "improved" to a 5-11 record in the shortened 20-21 season. So, how many games must we win next season to satisfy you?
Now I do understand that we have (1) out-of-conference games, (2) the PL regular season, (3) the PL playoffs, and (4) potentially post-season games. However, rather than offer every combination and permutation of wins in those four parts of the season and come up with a poll with 200 choices, let's concentrate on just the PL regular season games. I do understand that it would be better to win 10 OOC games and 8 PL games than to win 1 OOC game and 9 PL games and you can cover such issues in the editorial commentary accompanying your selection.
I always like "going on the record" before the season begins--that keeps one honest as the season unfolds.
Of course, we'll add the customary poll about total wins for the season some time this Fall.
Just to clarify: you are not predicting the number of wins, you are drawing a line in the sand. so to speak, about how many games HC must win in order for you to be satisfied with the program's progress under Coach Nelson and staff.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 22, 2021 18:11:46 GMT -5
To paraphrase Dick Williams before the 1967 season, "win more than we lose".
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2021 20:43:42 GMT -5
To paraphrase Dick Williams before the 1967 season, "win more than we lose". A 2021-22 Holy Cross MBB season that was later referred to as "The Impossible Dream" would be most acceptable.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 23, 2021 0:03:57 GMT -5
It will certainly be a different club from last season as we are losing to graduation or transfer
43% of the minutes 51% of the rebounds 47% of the points
I'm going to go on record and say that we need to go 10-8 in the PL regular season for me to be confident in our coach. That's the benchmark----I'm not yet ready to weigh in with a prediction and that could be a quite different number
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 0:55:01 GMT -5
I voted 10-12 wins, but a winning percentage higher than last year and visible improvement in player performance and in game coaching will be encouraging.
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Post by alum on Jun 23, 2021 7:51:00 GMT -5
I am not sold on Nelson but I realize that it is because I just don't know how much of the upheaval is because of him as opposed to the transfer portal world in which we live combined with Covid. I would love to know what the players think of him. If he doesn't get 11 league wins, I want MB to let him know that he is on double secret probation.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 23, 2021 8:47:19 GMT -5
It will certainly be a different club from last season as we are losing to graduation or transfer 43% of the minutes 51% of the rebounds 47% of the points I'm going to go on record and say that we need to go 10-8 in the PL regular season for me to be confident in our coach. That's the benchmark----I'm not yet ready to weigh in with a prediction and that could be a quite different number We lost 3 starters so the stats are accurate, but the bulk of this season’s minutes will probably be played by returning sophs- Martindale, Bo, Bubba, Louth and Mike. of course, we do not know the projections of the 4 new guys.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 23, 2021 9:33:07 GMT -5
You forgot RJ in the list above. He seemed to be the primary PG last season.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 23, 2021 13:08:32 GMT -5
You forgot RJ in the list above. He seemed to be the primary PG last season. I was naming only the non starters from last season i May have confused you by writing “ the bulk of the minutes” after writing that we lost 3 starters. I meant the bulk of the remaining minutes after those of RJ and Gerrale, the two returning starters Sorry
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 15, 2021 13:26:42 GMT -5
With the start of practice just a month away I thought I might bring this old thread back up to show what we had established as benchmarks for PL wins in 21-22
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 15, 2021 14:15:05 GMT -5
alum, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't going to happen.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 15, 2021 15:56:51 GMT -5
The AD to be named later may have a quick hook with coaches hired by a predecessor. Let's turn it around this year!
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Post by efg72 on Sept 15, 2021 17:33:11 GMT -5
There appears to be talent on the roster to grab 15 wins (10/11in the PL)- but I think my concern is defense-- so finishing in the top half in the PL defensively will be key to our success. Less than .500 will make a discussion about the future a fair conversation.
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Post by alum on Sept 15, 2021 18:14:15 GMT -5
alum, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't going to happen. Yeah. It never crossed my mind in June that he would be leaving soon
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Post by HC92 on Sept 15, 2021 18:41:01 GMT -5
11 wins or more in the PL regular season is the mark of a successful season for me this year.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 15, 2021 19:57:09 GMT -5
Whoever voted that 0-3 wins is acceptable please identify yourself. Coach Nelson - is it you?
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Post by hc6774 on Sept 16, 2021 6:25:46 GMT -5
It will certainly be a different club from last season as we are losing to graduation or transfer 43% of the minutes 51% of the rebounds 47% of the points I'm going to go on record and say that we need to go 10-8 in the PL regular season for me to be confident in our coach. That's the benchmark----I'm not yet ready to weigh in with a prediction and that could be a quite different number We lost 3 starters so the stats are accurate, but the bulk of this season’s minutes will probably be played by returning sophs- Martindale, Bo, Bubba, Louth and Mike. of course, we do not know the projections of the 4 new guys. Would this be the youngest starting group since Jack Donahue's first recruiting class became eligible? IIRC RW was captain but not a starter that season.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 7:35:24 GMT -5
He was a solid #6 off the bench.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 16, 2021 9:48:28 GMT -5
We lost 3 starters so the stats are accurate, but the bulk of this season’s minutes will probably be played by returning sophs- Martindale, Bo, Bubba, Louth and Mike. of course, we do not know the projections of the 4 new guys. Would this be the youngest starting group since Jack Donahue's first recruiting class became eligible? IIRC RW was captain but not a starter that season. No That season had 2 sophs starting, Texeira and Siudut, with juniors Hochstein, Murray and Stazinski. The other sophs, Mullane, Moore and Foley came off the bench.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 16, 2021 10:52:51 GMT -5
"This poll has expired or been locked"
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 16, 2021 11:20:54 GMT -5
How many do I think they will win, how many do I want them to win, or how many MUST they win to be successful?
In that respective order: few, more, and many more.
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Post by deep Purple on Sept 16, 2021 12:38:30 GMT -5
Whoever voted that 0-3 wins is acceptable please identify yourself. Coach Nelson - is it you? I just think the important thing is that the student-athletes participate, learn the value of teamwork and good sportsmanship, play with effort and enthusiasm and most importantly, have fun. Why does everything always have to be about wins and losses? Whatever happened to the old college try?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 16, 2021 12:49:40 GMT -5
Whoever voted that 0-3 wins is acceptable please identify yourself. Coach Nelson - is it you? I just think the important thing is that the student-athletes participate, learn the value of teamwork and good sportsmanship, play with effort and enthusiasm and most importantly, have fun. Why does everything always have to be about wins and losses? Whatever happened to the old college try? I think part of the issue is that the players are being paid big money to play for HC. As well, the College should seek excellence in all its pursuits.
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Post by Tom on Sept 16, 2021 13:20:07 GMT -5
I just think the important thing is that the student-athletes participate, learn the value of teamwork and good sportsmanship, play with effort and enthusiasm and most importantly, have fun. Why does everything always have to be about wins and losses? Whatever happened to the old college try? I think part of the issue is that the players are being paid big money to play for HC. As well, the College should seek excellence in all its pursuits. I frequently have trouble detecting sarcasm in the written word. However, in this case I think purple's post was dripping with sarcasm
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 16, 2021 13:51:38 GMT -5
I think part of the issue is that the players are being paid big money to play for HC. As well, the College should seek excellence in all its pursuits. I frequently have trouble detecting sarcasm in the written word. However, in this case I think purple's post was dripping with sarcasm I think you are right--my detector must have been turned off and I neglected to take the source into account, Thanks
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