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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2022 20:05:54 GMT -5
Andy Sachs wins like the other named suspects, but also provides a bridge to the Willard playbook on how to win the PL and be a respected regional OOC opponent.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 27, 2022 20:24:51 GMT -5
Looks to me like there are a number of great options if we look to building a winning program rather than to winning an introductory press conference
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 27, 2022 20:50:12 GMT -5
John's Hopkins beat Landry Kosmalski's Swarthmore team in the Centennial Conference final last night. Lincoln Yeutter played 22 minutes for JHU in last night’s game. Scored 4 points.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 27, 2022 20:51:20 GMT -5
Nelson saved his job with the mid-season resurgence but he's not the long-term "answer" imo....probably, really not anyone is sadly....this league is cratering basketball-wise in this world of the transfer portal etc. I believe you are right. The Patriot League is a total snooze-fest compared to what a competitive mid-major league could be. And don't get me wrong, I still love watching Holy Cross games both live and streaming online. But it's remarkable how it seems that all ten of our league fanbases are completely checked out. Almost every game league-wide is being played in arenas filled to less than 25% capacity....and they look even emptier than that. The Army-Navy games both were near sellouts and Lehigh-Lafayette in Easton drew a "whopping" 2,300 yesterday. Aside from that, what games were played in front of more than 2,000 people? Bucknell and Lehigh drew flies this year and Holy Cross did everything they possibly could to keep spectators as far as possible from the Hart Center. It's sad really...nobody cares anymore. At least Colgate is drawing in the 1,000 range, compared to their historical average of around 500. I think Nelson has earned the chance to coach out the final year of contract here. Couple of disappointing losses down the stretch but the improvement throughout the three phases of the season has to be duly noted (OOC => first PL round robin => 2nd PL round robin). And the conference tournament still has yet to play out. The team and staff clearly dug their heels in and worked to become a competitive Patriot League team, when they easily could've mailed it in. Have I seen anything to believe Nelson is long-term answer? I would say not yet. My benchmark for next year would be contention for the league title. The conference is so bad right now that being an also ran in the PL shouldn't be acceptable at Holy Cross. Let Brett see if he can continue the upward trajectory next year and move in another direction at end of contract if the results aren't there.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 27, 2022 21:08:53 GMT -5
"Upward trajectory" is questionable-- Ken Pomeroy has us at #347 in D-1 for example in his tracking of offensive and defensive efficiency on the court
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2022 21:22:42 GMT -5
That mid season resurgence was followed by a 1-5 league finish.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2022 21:45:41 GMT -5
Nelson saved his job with the mid-season resurgence but he's not the long-term "answer" imo....probably, really not anyone is sadly....this league is cratering basketball-wise in this world of the transfer portal etc. I believe you are right. The Patriot League is a total snooze-fest compared to what a competitive mid-major league could be. And don't get me wrong, I still love watching Holy Cross games both live and streaming online. But it's remarkable how it seems that all ten of our league fanbases are completely checked out. Almost every game league-wide is being played in arenas filled to less than 25% capacity....and they look even emptier than that. The Army-Navy games both were near sellouts and Lehigh-Lafayette in Easton drew a "whopping" 2,300 yesterday. Aside from that, what games were played in front of more than 2,000 people? Bucknell and Lehigh drew flies this year and Holy Cross did everything they possibly could to keep spectators as far as possible from the Hart Center. It's sad really...nobody cares anymore. At least Colgate is drawing in the 1,000 range, compared to their historical average of around 500. I think Nelson has earned the chance to coach out the final year of contract here. Couple of disappointing losses down the stretch but the improvement throughout the three phases of the season has to be duly noted (OOC => first PL round robin => 2nd PL round robin). And the conference tournament still has yet to play out. The team and staff clearly dug their heels in and worked to become a competitive Patriot League team, when they easily could've mailed it in. Have I seen anything to believe Nelson is long-term answer? I would say not yet. My benchmark for next year would be contention for the league title. The conference is so bad right now that being an also ran in the PL shouldn't be acceptable at Holy Cross. Let Brett see if he can continue the upward trajectory next year and move in another direction at end of contract if the results aren't there. I think that's the appropriate middle ground. Of course if Kit pulls the trigger I'll be excited about whoever we get. But then we'll never know if Brett and his staff and recruits, with a full season of experience under their belt could have made a run at the PL championship. And there are about 300,000 other good reasons to hold off on making a change.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2022 21:53:23 GMT -5
HC in PL. 2021-22 1-5 5-1 1-5
That is not improvement
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2022 8:01:56 GMT -5
Nelson saved his job with the mid-season resurgence but he's not the long-term "answer" imo....probably, really not anyone is sadly....this league is cratering basketball-wise in this world of the transfer portal etc. I believe you are right. The Patriot League is a total snooze-fest compared to what a competitive mid-major league could be. And don't get me wrong, I still love watching Holy Cross games both live and streaming online. But it's remarkable how it seems that all ten of our league fanbases are completely checked out. Almost every game league-wide is being played in arenas filled to less than 25% capacity....and they look even emptier than that. The Army-Navy games both were near sellouts and Lehigh-Lafayette in Easton drew a "whopping" 2,300 yesterday. Aside from that, what games were played in front of more than 2,000 people? Bucknell and Lehigh drew flies this year and Holy Cross did everything they possibly could to keep spectators as far as possible from the Hart Center. It's sad really...nobody cares anymore. At least Colgate is drawing in the 1,000 range, compared to their historical average of around 500. I think Nelson has earned the chance to coach out the final year of contract here. Couple of disappointing losses down the stretch but the improvement throughout the three phases of the season has to be duly noted (OOC => first PL round robin => 2nd PL round robin). And the conference tournament still has yet to play out. The team and staff clearly dug their heels in and worked to become a competitive Patriot League team, when they easily could've mailed it in. Have I seen anything to believe Nelson is long-term answer? I would say not yet. My benchmark for next year would be contention for the league title. The conference is so bad right now that being an also ran in the PL shouldn't be acceptable at Holy Cross. Let Brett see if he can continue the upward trajectory next year and move in another direction at end of contract if the results aren't there. Maybe with new people in place at the top, there will be a change in attitude toward the men’s hoop program. I noted a month ago, we were the worst team in one of the worst D1 leagues in America. Despite a hot streak, people like Sagarin still rank us as such. I think CBN gets one more year to right the ship. I believe most of the top three are losing major pieces to graduation. Not sure about the middle of the pack. As of now, our team will basically return intact. Hopefully, that turns out to be a real positive. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 28, 2022 9:27:43 GMT -5
I think Nelson's not playing D.J. Hart for even a minute in his final regular season home game (with his family sitting in the stands) tells you a lot about the kind of person/coach Nelson is.
Most coaches would have started Hart and let him play 4 meaningful minutes until the first media timeout. That IMO was the "right thing to do".
But, as we have learned over and over during his 3 years, Nelson is not like "most coaches".
He is a non-communicative, stubborn man who is very set in his ways.
Not a guy to make such an adjustment.
Also not a guy to make adjustments in style....offensively or defensively.
It's "his way or the highway."
That works if you are winning.
We are 9-21.
I think this PL Tourney is like the final exam for a student who is failing a course. He needs to beat American and look good doing it. Then he needs to go down to Navy and give them all they can handle. Maybe not win....but come really close.
That's at the very least what he needs to do to keep his job, Kit.
I know there is a feeling on the board here that firing Nelson would begin another run of the masses to the Transfer Portal. If Kit moved quickly and decisively, it actually could have the opposite effect. Bring in a winning DII coach with a personality and enthusiasm (The "Chesney Model") and it might just breathe hope into these kids.
American on Tues night.
We will all be watching.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 28, 2022 10:20:18 GMT -5
I think Nelson's not playing D.J. Hart for even a minute in his final regular season home game (with his family sitting in the stands) tells you a lot about the kind of person/coach Nelson is. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that watching HC's starting five trot out onto the court and Hart not being one of them was one of the most disappointing moments I've felt since I began following HC hoops ~20 years ago. Not disappointing in the same way as tough losses or bad seasons over the years, but disappointing on a human level. It just didn't feel right at all. You don't do that to a kid who has been part of the program for four years, when it would have been very easy to walk away at any time. Moreover, his father is an alum of the program (not that this should be a deciding factor of whether he sees the floor or not) and seeing him and his family behind the bench without DJ seeing the floor was pretty uncomfortable. We learned a lot about Nelson here, IMO. I'm still pissed off about it, if you couldn't tell.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 28, 2022 10:26:38 GMT -5
At the minimum Hart should have been in at the end when the game had been decided
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2022 10:29:53 GMT -5
Wonder if this is an omen.
Took a peek at another board I frequent, a general sports board that focuses on the Red Sox (I read a hell of a lot more there than I post).
Anyway, just saw a thread headline "Good Bye Brett Metzger" (some minor leaguer the Sox drafted pretty high that didn't pan out).
Reading fast and not really paying attention, I thought I was on this board and it said "Good Bye Brett Nelson".
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2022 10:31:33 GMT -5
At the minimum Hart should have been in at the end when the game had been decided Even worse, the women were up 20 w/under 2 min left; Army cleared the bench and Magarity didn't.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 28, 2022 10:36:25 GMT -5
Wonder if this is an omen. Took a peek at another board I frequent, a general sports board that focuses on the Red Sox (I read a hell of a lot more there than I post). Anyway, just saw a thread headline "Good Bye Brett Metzger" (some minor leaguer the Sox drafted pretty high that didn't pan out). His name is Brett Netzer, and this is why he "didn't pan out."
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2022 11:18:39 GMT -5
I think Nelson's not playing D.J. Hart for even a minute in his final regular season home game (with his family sitting in the stands) tells you a lot about the kind of person/coach Nelson is. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that watching HC's starting five trot out onto the court and Hart not being one of them was one of the most disappointing moments I've felt since I began following HC hoops ~20 years ago. Not disappointing in the same way as tough losses or bad seasons over the years, but disappointing on a human level. It just didn't feel right at all. You don't do that to a kid who has been part of the program for four years, when it would have been very easy to walk away at any time. Moreover, his father is an alum of the program (not that this should be a deciding factor of whether he sees the floor or not) and seeing him and his family behind the bench without DJ seeing the floor was pretty uncomfortable. We learned a lot about Nelson here, IMO. I'm still pissed off about it, if you couldn't tell. I am with both of you 1000%. In my book, it is either being totally out of touch or just not giving a damn. Both are bad.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2022 12:17:01 GMT -5
I think Nelson's not playing D.J. Hart for even a minute in his final regular season home game (with his family sitting in the stands) tells you a lot about the kind of person/coach Nelson is. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that watching HC's starting five trot out onto the court and Hart not being one of them was one of the most disappointing moments I've felt since I began following HC hoops ~20 years ago. Not disappointing in the same way as tough losses or bad seasons over the years, but disappointing on a human level. It just didn't feel right at all. You don't do that to a kid who has been part of the program for four years, when it would have been very easy to walk away at any time. Moreover, his father is an alum of the program (not that this should be a deciding factor of whether he sees the floor or not) and seeing him and his family behind the bench without DJ seeing the floor was pretty uncomfortable. We learned a lot about Nelson here, IMO. I'm still pissed off about it, if you couldn't tell. It's been a while since we had a senior walk on, so I decided to look for precedent. Also because my memory is shaky about some of our historical walk ons In 2017, there were two. A kid named Kennedy and a kid named Reilly. Coach Carmody did not start either of them (the four scholarship seniors did start) They did not get in to a tight ball game In 2015, there were at least two. I'm almost positive Jayne was a walk on. Also with scholarship totals at least one more out of the Reid and Kerrigan duo. Possibly both if there were only 12 scholarships that year. Coach Brown started senior Malcolm Miller and that was all. Seniors Burrell and Abt played decent minutes but did not start.. Reid got into the game for a couple of minutes. Jayne and Kerrigan DNP In 2012, there was one walk on. Charlie Mills. Coach Brown did not start him. He also did not start Mike Cavataio, but he wasn't a four year Crusader. Mills played two minutes in a blow out. In these examples I think only Charlie Mills was a walk on for four years. While I think at the very least, they should have found a way to get DJ in, it's not exactly the first time
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2022 12:22:37 GMT -5
Wonder if this is an omen. Took a peek at another board I frequent, a general sports board that focuses on the Red Sox (I read a hell of a lot more there than I post). Anyway, just saw a thread headline "Good Bye Brett Metzger" (some minor leaguer the Sox drafted pretty high that didn't pan out). His name is Brett Netzer, and this is why he "didn't pan out."
Very glad Mr. NetZero (that is an auto correct but it fits so I'll leave it. NetZero was a dial up internet provider as I recall) never made it to the Woo Sox. His line of crap doesn't cut it around here. Talk about "shooting your way out of town." I don't think his opinions are or should be illegal but I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays in organized ball again. Our Brett is uncommunicative (shy imo) and tone deaf/insensitive (DJ Hart) but he doesn't appear to have any hate in him at least.
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Post by lou on Feb 28, 2022 12:32:31 GMT -5
At the minimum Hart should have been in at the end when the game had been decided Even worse, the women were up 20 w/under 2 min left; Army cleared the bench and Magarity didn't. The players on the bench who didn't play were the three freshmen. Not sure why they didn't play at all on Saturday, since they usually do get into the game. But it wasn't exactly clearing the bench with players who normally don't play. And Army was subbing 5 at a time all game, though I didn't notice if she used more players at the end of the game
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2022 12:39:25 GMT -5
Even worse, the women were up 20 w/under 2 min left; Army cleared the bench and Magarity didn't. The players on the bench who didn't play were the three freshmen. Not sure why they didn't play at all on Saturday, since they usually do get into the game. But it wasn't exactly clearing the bench with players who normally don't play. And Army was subbing 5 at a time all game, though I didn't notice if she used more players at the end of the game Yes, all players have received playing opportunities commensurate with their health status this season, and the women's game was not about auld lang sine. There is another game for the regular season crown and then the playoffs and then hopefully the national post season in some tournament. All seniors will have plenty of opportunities for meaningful minutes.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2022 16:59:25 GMT -5
Wonder if this is an omen. Took a peek at another board I frequent, a general sports board that focuses on the Red Sox (I read a hell of a lot more there than I post). Anyway, just saw a thread headline "Good Bye Brett Metzger" (some minor leaguer the Sox drafted pretty high that didn't pan out). His name is Brett Netzer, and this is why he "didn't pan out."
I didn't post this because of any connection between the two...only that I saw "Goodbye Brett..." and made the assumption that Nelson got canned. Sincere apologies to Coach Nelson and anyone else who inferred that I thought his behavior in any way resembled the guy in question. Didn't read the article, wasn't in the least bit interested. AND DIDN'T EVEN LINK IT! Probably would have spelled the SOB's name right if I did.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2022 17:00:47 GMT -5
The players on the bench who didn't play were the three freshmen. Not sure why they didn't play at all on Saturday, since they usually do get into the game. But it wasn't exactly clearing the bench with players who normally don't play. And Army was subbing 5 at a time all game, though I didn't notice if she used more players at the end of the game Yes, all players have received playing opportunities commensurate with their health status this season, and the women's game was not about auld lang sine. There is another game for the regular season crown and then the playoffs and then hopefully the national post season in some tournament. All seniors will have plenty of opportunities for meaningful minutes. Put it this way: would any women's fan have been happy if any of the 8 regulars got injured after the game got out of hand?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2022 17:38:22 GMT -5
Yes, all players have received playing opportunities commensurate with their health status this season, and the women's game was not about auld lang sine. There is another game for the regular season crown and then the playoffs and then hopefully the national post season in some tournament. All seniors will have plenty of opportunities for meaningful minutes. Put it this way: would any women's fan have been happy if any of the 8 regulars got injured after the game got out of hand? Good point. That would be crushing. There's a solid but shallow bench.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2022 7:17:56 GMT -5
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that watching HC's starting five trot out onto the court and Hart not being one of them was one of the most disappointing moments I've felt since I began following HC hoops ~20 years ago. Not disappointing in the same way as tough losses or bad seasons over the years, but disappointing on a human level. It just didn't feel right at all. You don't do that to a kid who has been part of the program for four years, when it would have been very easy to walk away at any time. Moreover, his father is an alum of the program (not that this should be a deciding factor of whether he sees the floor or not) and seeing him and his family behind the bench without DJ seeing the floor was pretty uncomfortable. We learned a lot about Nelson here, IMO. I'm still pissed off about it, if you couldn't tell. It's been a while since we had a senior walk on, so I decided to look for precedent. Also because my memory is shaky about some of our historical walk ons In 2017, there were two. A kid named Kennedy and a kid named Reilly. Coach Carmody did not start either of them (the four scholarship seniors did start) They did not get in to a tight ball game In 2015, there were at least two. I'm almost positive Jayne was a walk on. Also with scholarship totals at least one more out of the Reid and Kerrigan duo. Possibly both if there were only 12 scholarships that year. Coach Brown started senior Malcolm Miller and that was all. Seniors Burrell and Abt played decent minutes but did not start.. Reid got into the game for a couple of minutes. Jayne and Kerrigan DNP In 2012, there was one walk on. Charlie Mills. Coach Brown did not start him. He also did not start Mike Cavataio, but he wasn't a four year Crusader. Mills played two minutes in a blow out. In these examples I think only Charlie Mills was a walk on for four years. While I think at the very least, they should have found a way to get DJ in, it's not exactly the first time Easy now — the vultures are circling here and putting on the full court press to cancel HCBN. There is no place for this type of reason. Cancel culture has reached HC MBB!
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Post by HC13 on Mar 1, 2022 7:53:11 GMT -5
Put it this way: would any women's fan have been happy if any of the 8 regulars got injured after the game got out of hand? Good point. That would be crushing. There's a solid but shallow bench. i don't think Davis or Munt were available due to injury, I was surprised neither Berger or Huber played.
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