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Post by timholycross on Jun 23, 2021 8:14:18 GMT -5
I can't find anything that up-to-date, so the rule may have changed; but from what I've read the Suns' winning basket would be Basket Interference in a NCAA game.
What do the rule-savvy readers think?
N.B. There is a difference between BI and Goaltending; goaltending definitely would not be in effect, same as it wouldn't be in the NBA.
BTW the Suns ran a similar play 4 years ago.
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Post by Ray on Jun 23, 2021 8:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2021 9:34:24 GMT -5
As I understand it, there is a rule in the NBA, there is no such thing as offensive goaltending on an inbounds play. The link that Ray sent doesn't spell out an inbounding exception to college goal tending rules, so it would seem to be an infraction in college
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Post by timholycross on Jun 23, 2021 9:36:58 GMT -5
As I understand it, there is a rule in the NBA, there is no such thing as offensive goaltending on an inbounds play. The link that Ray sent doesn't spell out an inbounding exception to college goal tending rules, so it would seem to be an infraction in college ...but even in the NCAA, only a problem if the ball is over the cylinder. Just tipping it on the way down if it hasn't gotten over the rim would be legal by either team.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 23, 2021 9:43:17 GMT -5
I remember the oft-used Havlicek to Russell inbounds play
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Post by Ray on Jun 23, 2021 9:45:19 GMT -5
As I understand it, there is a rule in the NBA, there is no such thing as offensive goaltending on an inbounds play. The link that Ray sent doesn't spell out an inbounding exception to college goal tending rules, so it would seem to be an infraction in college NBA also seems to have a clause in the rule that says the "in the cylinder" type of interference is only in effect AFTER the ball touches the rim, not before. So last night's play would have been legal on an in-play alley-oop, as well as a pass from out-of-bounds.
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 24, 2021 13:52:54 GMT -5
Looks like the correct call..
The NBA Rule, RULE NO. 11: Basket Interference – Goaltending Section I—A Player Shall Not:
Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is sitting or rolling on the ring and using the basket ring as its lower base or hang on the rim while the ball is passing through. EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket. Touch any ball from within the playing area when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard after it has been released. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.) Touch any ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to score. This is considered to be a “field goal attempt” or trying for a goal. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring. Vibrate the rim, net or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce, or bend or move the rim to an off-center position when the ball is touching the ring or passing through. Touch the rim, net or ball while the ball is in the net, preventing it from clearing the basket. PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent’s basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three-point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, no points can be scored, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents in the game at the center circle.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 26, 2021 22:08:46 GMT -5
As I understand it, there is a rule in the NBA, there is no such thing as offensive goaltending on an inbounds play. The link that Ray sent doesn't spell out an inbounding exception to college goal tending rules, so it would seem to be an infraction in college NBA also seems to have a clause in the rule that says the "in the cylinder" type of interference is only in effect AFTER the ball touches the rim, not before. So last night's play would have been legal on an in-play alley-oop, as well as a pass from out-of-bounds. Since the ball isn't live until touched by a player, you can't interfere with a ball in the cylinder from an out of bounds play IIRC.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 26, 2021 22:54:44 GMT -5
Apex to base regarding interference in the cylinder? Is that considered? Above is not considered interference....below is definitely interference.
What is the rule regarding radius, height, and slant height considered for the cone or cylinder. Is there a stated objective definition or merely....I know it when I see it by the officials?
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Post by Crosser on Jun 27, 2021 17:00:12 GMT -5
Apex to base regarding interference in the cylinder? Is that considered? Above is not considered interference....below is definitely interference. What is the rule regarding radius, height, and slant height considered for the cone or cylinder. Is there a stated objective definition or merely....I know it when I see it by the officials? The latter.
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