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Post by hc87 on Oct 22, 2016 14:50:34 GMT -5
Gilmore is done obviously....thank you for your 14 years on the Hill......who is next?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 22, 2016 15:06:51 GMT -5
Seriously, can an argument be made why Gilmore should remain head coach?
This isn't high school, it's D1 college football...produce (win) or you're done.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 22, 2016 15:09:59 GMT -5
Bill McGovern
Bill McGovern
Bill McGovern
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 22, 2016 15:13:18 GMT -5
Bring in someone who can guarantee that no important contributors will miss playing time due to injury.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 22, 2016 15:14:19 GMT -5
The injury excuse is lame
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Post by hc87 on Oct 22, 2016 15:18:52 GMT -5
Bring in someone who can guarantee that no important contributors will miss playing time due to injury. Please...we we're smoked by a PL opponent at home.....Gilmore's time is done.....it is what is is
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 22, 2016 15:20:44 GMT -5
The injuries are a fact. That is not just an excuse. The number of players lost (including the clearly most important one) is reality. Ignoring that would be truly lame. Injuries ruined what could have been an outstanding season for RW in hoops. I don't remember threads on CROSSPORTS calling for him to be replaced using injured players as an excuse.
A coaching change may be needed at this point, but that sort of decision needs to look at all the facts, not those that prove one's argument to replace the coach. It will take whoever comes in a year (or two?) to get the players to adjust to his system. How is your patience?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 22, 2016 15:23:34 GMT -5
Gilmore should have been fired two or three years ago.....he survived due to basketball issues....we'll see if Pine has any stones.
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Post by sarasota on Oct 22, 2016 15:29:30 GMT -5
rgs- As others are saying, there was a strong case to make a change PRIOR to this season. This season's injuries are a moot point. He has a losing record despite having had two first team all-league quarterbacks.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 22, 2016 15:33:32 GMT -5
Gilmore should have been fired two or three years ago.....he survived due to basketball issues....we'll see if Pine has any stones. If that is why he "survived" and not waiting to see what he could do with a full slate of scholarships...might he perhaps stay on next year because of baseball issues (the coach insisting on having good hitters bunt with men on)?
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Post by sarasota on Oct 22, 2016 15:37:14 GMT -5
And our defensive backfield is awful.
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Post by lou on Oct 22, 2016 15:38:18 GMT -5
CTG says injuries are not an excuse, next man up. LU's starting QB didn't play either
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Post by HC92 on Oct 22, 2016 16:57:14 GMT -5
The injuries are a fact. That is not just an excuse. The number of players lost (including the clearly most important one) is reality. Ignoring that would be truly lame. Injuries ruined what could have been an outstanding season for RW in hoops. I don't remember threads on CROSSPORTS calling for him to be replaced using injured players as an excuse. A coaching change may be needed at this point, but that sort of decision needs to look at all the facts, not those that prove one's argument to replace the coach. It will take whoever comes in a year (or two?) to get the players to adjust to his system. How is your patience? He's not getting fired for this year. The injuries have been unfortunate and no one doubts we would have been better without so many injuries. However, the body of work has not been good. Assuming we go 1-2 in our last 3 games, which seems fair, here will be the facts staring NP in the face: 70-76 career record (.479) 31-48 over last 7 seasons (.392) 40-63 in games in which Dom did not play (.388) 1 league championship in 13 seasons A team that has not ever been able to establish a consistent running game A team that has been generally poor defensively despite TG being a defensive coach for most of his career It's time.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2016 17:44:39 GMT -5
It's time.
This time last year, we were all feeling the same way but collectively had the "let's see how the last three games go" attitude. Now I don't think there is any outcome that could change my opinion.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 22, 2016 18:01:03 GMT -5
Just like Milan Brown was given a chance (five years, his guys), Tom Gilmore had four classes of scholarship recruits, and we are likely going to be sub .500 this season.
There are plenty of good candidates out there that would like the Holy Cross job.
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Post by bikeman on Oct 22, 2016 19:09:46 GMT -5
Les Miles?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 22, 2016 19:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 22, 2016 20:01:12 GMT -5
Les Miles 😀 or...Lyle Hemphill from Stony Brook or Joe Conlin from Yale. Yale staff might get an overhaul this season.
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 22, 2016 22:01:39 GMT -5
Bill McGovern Bill McGovern Bill McGovern Absolutely. He would be a GREAT choice!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 23, 2016 5:43:48 GMT -5
Again, "you are not as bad as you think when you lose and not as good as you think when you win."
Pre-season, I expected we would be lucky to win one of two in the Harvard-Lehigh tandem. Though I picked HC to win, I didn't really expect to nor did I expect us to beat Harvard when I picked us to win that game.
We are neither as good as we looked against Harvard (remember, mistake-free, no turnovers) nor as atrocious as we looked against Lehigh, touted to be the best offensive team we would face this season. Geoff Wade is the real deal and I am a little tired to hear he is our 4th string QB. That may have been pre-season but he's proven himself. I expected an offensive shoot-out. We got that from Lehigh but not from our end because poor passing, bad timing and dropped passes.
We could not pressure their QB enough and they have what we don't, a big powerful RB to wear down the opposition.
Our DBs are not good enough to cover receivers unless the opponent QB has lots of pressure. Too much space allowed and horrible open field tacklers.
To the subject at hand, the coaching staff: TG knows he needs to secure his jobs with wins on the field. This season will play itself out. Arguably, we have played the toughest opponents already. But there are no gimmes left. I expect Wade to be back. I expect the team to rise to the median.
Will that be good enough to keep TG? I don't know but that is a decision for Nate Pine and Fr. Boroughs, not us.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 23, 2016 8:11:54 GMT -5
One point I would like to add to the discussion. With the tough early season losses, we heard from the coach a version of "we made mistakes and we can fix them." Now facing another losing season, have they been fixed? If not, that has to be on the coaches. The coaching against Harvard I would grade as an "A" and better than our opponent. Against Lehigh that was the case until a pass went through a very good receiver's hands to be intercepted. After that, when HC made adjustments, little seemed to work (with the exception of some isolated defensive plays). A big running black (or two of them) went through our defense like a hot knife through butter far too often...and HC will probably face that tandem for two more seasons. The coaching this week I would give an "F". When will that be "fixed?"
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 23, 2016 12:35:31 GMT -5
After following this messageboard for the last 5 years and finally deciding to sign up to post, I can say one thing: nobody is incorrect. I believe this is a complicated puzzle with many pieces. Conditioning late in games is an issue. Coaching decisions late in the games have been an issue. There were mistakes against UNH in the 3rd and 4th and again against Albany. Unfortunately, those tackling issues and poor play calling were not corrected. ADNP will look at the big picture such as attractiveness of new facilities, budget, FBS games coming up, and hire an appropriate coach. Unfortunately this is not an overnight fix.
Tom Coughlin is around!
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Post by rickii on Oct 26, 2016 12:58:02 GMT -5
Bill McGovern Bill McGovern Bill McGovern Absolutely. He would be a GREAT choice!
Respectfully....please no.
No way on ANYONE from a Stony Brook and least of all ANYONE from the Ivy. Bill McGovern ? Love him but NOT as our next coach. Pine has his own contacts and list. AIR, nobody had Carmody as a candidate - not even in passing - but Pine did, and in retrospect had him targeted well before Brown was relieved. I'm very confidant a similar scenario is already underway.
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Post by beerseach on Oct 26, 2016 13:13:10 GMT -5
How about plucking a coordinator from the Ivy or the Patriot league? I was wondering about the Offensive Coordinator from Lehigh, Colgate, or Fordham? Then bring in a good Defensive Coordinator. Seems most good teams have an Offensive minded head coach with a few exceptions....
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 26, 2016 13:14:37 GMT -5
Absolutely. He would be a GREAT choice!
Respectfully....please no.
No way on ANYONE from a Stony Brook and least of all ANYONE from the Ivy. Bill McGovern ? Love him but NOT as our next coach. Pine has his own contacts and list. AIR, nobody had Carmody as a candidate - not even in passing - but Pine did, and in retrospect had him targeted well before Brown was relieved. I'm very confidant a similar scenario is already underway.
That is why much of the speculation here, while passionate, is a bit like whistling in the dark. We don't know if anyone is being vetted for the position down the road, when the position might open up, or exactly what ADMP is looking for in a new head coaching candidate (his priorities), Guessing can be fun but no one should take this seriously.
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