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Post by rgs318 on Jul 20, 2021 11:19:32 GMT -5
This was onine today..."Texas state Senate passes bill to eliminate requirements that public schools teach that the Ku Klux Klan is ‘morally wrong." As much as I oppose the Klan, I have to wonder if this will make anytghig better for society in any meaningful way. At least it does not block the freedom to present the deeds of the Klan to students...but is that the next stop?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 20, 2021 11:29:17 GMT -5
The bill "includes eliminating a requirement that students be taught the “history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong.”
So, is the bill narrowly about the KKK, a reprehensible organization, or more about the "history of white supremacy"?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 20, 2021 11:31:21 GMT -5
Having only seen secondary sources, I can't say for sure. In this day and age, who knows?
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 20, 2021 12:27:03 GMT -5
Having read the bill I can say it's pretty clear the intention was to suppress teaching about any of the following: white supremacy, systemic racism, the 1619 Project, etc. etc.
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Post by alum on Jul 20, 2021 15:39:11 GMT -5
If I am following this process correctly, going into this term of the legislature, Texas law provided, with regard to history curricula, 28.002(h) The State Board of Education and each school district shall foster the continuation of the tradition of teaching United States and Texas history and the free enterprise system in regular subject matter and in reading courses and in the adoption of instructional materials. A primary purpose of the public school curriculum is to prepare thoughtful, active citizens who understand the importance of patriotism and can function productively in a free enterprise society with appreciation for the basic democratic values of our state and national heritage.
statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/ED/htm/ED.28.htmLast month they passed a bill which provided a huge amount of detail about what can be taught, but which seemingly wants it only to be taught by rote learning without debate about responsibilty, inherent racism or sexism, or structural problems of any kind. It can be found
here: legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2407870/Texas-2021-HB3979-Enrolled.html
It includes a paragraph which requires teaching
(7) the history of white supremacy, including but not
limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;If I am getting this right, the newest bill (passed in only one house) deletes that paragraph 7 above.
legiscan.com/TX/text/SB3/2021/X1
So, in a couple of months, Texas seems to have gone from a hands off approach to curriculum to a very detailed one to a detailed one as long as it isn't about white supremacy.
I imagine by morning a bunch of law professors will explain to us what has happened.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 20, 2021 17:20:09 GMT -5
Don't know much about Texas K-12 that I would dare repeat in polite company. No doubt there are teachers who view their classrooms as sacrosanct protected by academic freedom. They will ignore the much maligned Texas Board of Education and continue teaching as they have in the past. It will be interesting to watch the response back & forth. Get the popcorn.
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Post by Tom on Jul 21, 2021 7:44:37 GMT -5
Sounds like a couple of different interpretations.
Hard to tell from just reading here if they're suppressing teaching about white supremacy or removing a new requirement that it had to be taught.
Going back to the whole teaching of United States and Texas history, it will be kind of hard to do that if you skip over that whole Civil War and slavery issue. Even if they remove the requirement to teach history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery and the ways in which it is morally wrong, I'm pretty sure Texas will not simply ignore the Civil War. If this thing passes, I don't think it will mean that all Texas kids will suddenly be ill prepared to attend Holy Cross
For what it's worth, when we were taught about slavery and the Ku Klux Klan, I don't remember any teacher coming out and saying they were morally wrong. Our parents instilled the concepts of moral right and wrong to the point that we were all able to figure out for ourselves that they were wrong
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Post by mm67 on Jul 21, 2021 8:22:06 GMT -5
Actually, the teaching of history has evolved over the years and continues to change. History is always subject to new interpretations.New scholarship reveal new facts and new thinking reflective of the times (cf Georgetown & slavery.) In a Grad School Study I found there were at least 30+ differing schools of thought about the Civil Wear & its causes. Late 19th & early 20th c writings tended to be pro -South during an "era of good feeling" during which the two sides joined together to try to heal the wounds. The writers at that time posited that life on the plantation was not truly bad for enslaved people and their lives were filled with happy song. In fact an early 20th c writer (Frank Owsley) sympathetic to the South wrote that happy well-cared for slaves were replaced by long lines of poor unemployed freedmen. Post war idealistic reformers who came to the South were regularly described as "Carpetbaggers" & "scalawags" ( words used by angry former confederates) in texts throughout the country. Enslaved people were described as sub human while the white plantation owners had an air of nobility.('Gone With The Wind', Margaret Mitchell) This led to the criticism (totally justified in my opinion) that although the North won the War, the South won the peace in the writings about the Civil War. Many of us ( myself included by the good nuns in grammar school) were taught in this manner. These earlier writings are long outdated and demonstrably false. (Obviously the the end of Reconstruction & removal of the Federal Troops with the concurrent abandonment of African-Americans to the horrors of white rule was a major factor in Southern post war ascendancy.) Racism/slavery was our original sin and issues of race continue to be part of the fabric of our nation. And, the efforts by many to deal with our problems of race and personally overcome past barriers are part of our story, too. Ultimately, it is up to each individual to evaluate, to gauge the success of the efforts - to take their stand.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2021 10:06:35 GMT -5
Sounds like a couple of different interpretations. Hard to tell from just reading here if they're suppressing teaching about white supremacy or removing a new requirement that it had to be taught. Going back to the whole teaching of United States and Texas history, it will be kind of hard to do that if you skip over that whole Civil War and slavery issue. Even if they remove the requirement to teach history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery and the ways in which it is morally wrong, I'm pretty sure Texas will not simply ignore the Civil War. If this thing passes, I don't think it will mean that all Texas kids will suddenly be ill prepared to attend Holy Cross For what it's worth, when we were taught about slavery and the Ku Klux Klan, I don't remember any teacher coming out and saying they were morally wrong. Our parents instilled the concepts of moral right and wrong to the point that we were all able to figure out for ourselves that they were wrong That will not happen. It would mean throwing "Juneteenth" away.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 21, 2021 10:34:50 GMT -5
I do not believe there is anyone in this country who is suggesting that we not teach about the Civil War (War Between the States to some). I think the issue is that some people believe we should be teaching that everything should be taught through the lens of racism, that the USA was built on a foundation of slavery, that people of European descent are inherently racist oppressors, that people of African descent are oppressed.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 21, 2021 11:02:22 GMT -5
And I'm sure that there are "some people" who think we should be teaching that slavery was actually beneficial to black people. The "some people" to which you refer is a small segment of the population and does not represent the majority view. They have the right to make their case, however. BTW, in parts of the South it's called The War of Northern Aggression.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 21, 2021 11:06:42 GMT -5
There is a spectrum of opinions & theories involved with Critical Race Theory. Also, Critical Race Theory is one thing, the role of race in our nation is another. Some include any discussion of racism as Critical Race Theory. It is not. There are some fascinating discussions, historical & contemporary available. Historical: Was it a Civil War or a War Between the States? And, what is the significance of the use of each term? Have not heard the one about Whites inherently oppressors but I am aware of discussions of White Privilege Pro & Con. Never heard of Juneteenth in my student days but evidently it has gained in historical significance to some. The Tulsa race riot & massacre of African Americans was largely buried but relatively recent research has uncovered this ghastly story. And, the research continues with an accounting of the actual deaths and there are ongoing discussions with the descendants of the survivors. There are many other discussions involving historical events and figures. For instance: Columbus:Hero or Villain? American and, in fact all history and its contemporary outgrowth provide fertile ground for study and controversy. I have seen controversies come & go. Today as in the past some engage in these controversies with a different agenda on their mind. Fascinating. Ultimately, people will decide for themselves.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 21, 2021 11:36:49 GMT -5
And I'm sure that there are "some people" who think we should be teaching that slavery was actually beneficial to black people. The "some people" to which you refer is a small segment of the population and does not represent the majority view. They have the right to make their case, however. BTW, in parts of the South it's called The War of Northern Aggression. The "small segment of the population" to which you refer is driving the narrative today--have you noticed that? When the majority sits silent an aggressive minority can have much greater negative influence on society. I've lived in several Southern states-I think the "War of Northern Aggression" argument is only half serious, if that. Those clever Southerners are not only saying "we were not wrong" (Civil War), not only was it not a 50-50 situation (War Between The States), you in the North were wrong (War of Northern Aggression).
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 21, 2021 12:28:49 GMT -5
Agree that they are driving the narrative today. Have you noticed recent events that have justifiably (in my opinion) put them in the driver's seat?
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