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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2021 17:06:55 GMT -5
Pretty sad for Massachusetts when BC is with this company Maine used twice. Moved to a warmer clime.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 21, 2021 23:14:01 GMT -5
UNH versus Dartmouth for that honor in NH is a scoreless tie.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 21, 2021 23:32:19 GMT -5
Per capita, it's probably Harvard today.....if we had gone Big East, it would have been Holy Cross, easily.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2021 23:34:49 GMT -5
Notice how Maine has annexed Arizona. The Jack Rabbits get on the board in SD.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 21, 2021 23:45:31 GMT -5
Notice how Maine has annexed Arizona. The Jack Rabbits get on the board in SD. Presumably the Maine icon in Arizona was put there to see if anyone was paying attention. Vanderbilt over UT? Marquette over the Badgers? Dayton over TOSU?
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Post by hc87 on Jul 21, 2021 23:48:14 GMT -5
The fact remains, if we had gone Big East in 1979, we would be the most followed college hoop program in Massachusetts today.....just sayin'
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 22, 2021 6:27:33 GMT -5
The fact remains HC did not join the Big East. Is there some reason why we need to hear about it so often every year? Trying to change history? It is easy to speculate how things might have gone when there is no way to ever be proved wrong. How about this scenario? HC would have little or no following because of ties to gambling and betting on Big East games after joining the conference. HC then deemphasized all sports and has not had a winning season in any sport since...gaining an annual spot in last place in the Big East (or in whatever place they ended up after being thrown out of that league). Now people might then be posting ceaselessly "Why did we ever join that darned Big East." Please give the Big East decision a rest. Just sayin'
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 22, 2021 6:48:57 GMT -5
The fact remains HC did not join the Big East. Is there some reason why we need to hear about it so often every year? Trying to change history? It is easy to speculate how things might have gone when there is no way to ever be proved wrong. How about this scenario? HC would have little or no following because of ties to gambling and betting on Big East games after joining the conference. HC then deemphasized all sports and has not had a winning season in any sport since...gaining an annual spot in last place in the Big East (or in whatever place they ended up after being thrown out of that league). Now people might then be posting ceaselessly "Why did we ever join that darned Big East." Please give the Big East decision a rest. Just sayin' Amen! Enough with the Big East talk.
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Post by Tom on Jul 22, 2021 7:16:40 GMT -5
The whole thing is kind of silly. What criteria did the Marmon Institute use? Total attendance? B.C. sells out Conte Forum when Duke and UNC comes to town. That does not necessarily translate into passion for B.C.
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Post by Tom on Jul 22, 2021 7:17:44 GMT -5
The fact remains, if we had gone Big East in 1979, we would be the most followed college hoop program in Massachusetts today.....just sayin' Also, if cows could fly, more people would wear hats
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 22, 2021 8:49:41 GMT -5
And as my late maternal grandmother would often say..."If wishes were horses, we'd all ride like kings."
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 22, 2021 9:01:43 GMT -5
Bottom line regarding the Big East....All Hat, ...... No Cattle. Looking at Endowments and Campus Facilities, for peer, private institutions, ....... Providence College, St. John’s, Seton Hall. Exceptions being Georgetown and Villanova. Certainly Basketball for the Men’s program, Big East affiliation has provided visibility for the schools, however it has has not provided a dramatic increase to their endowments, nor delivered an overall on campus athletic physical plant regarding facilities to the schools, that is vastly superior than the current venues on Mt. St. James. Reference the Facilities from the Big East Wiki Page..... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 22, 2021 9:46:26 GMT -5
This list was obviously done by some clueless 12 year old kid.
Total waste of time trying to disseminate the reasoning behind it, because there is none.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 22, 2021 11:08:24 GMT -5
This is a Barstool parody graphic meant to draw a reaction and it looks like it worked here.
”Compiled by South Harmon Institute of Technology” —> S.H.I…
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Post by timholycross on Jul 22, 2021 12:14:01 GMT -5
If you compared (in my adulthood, I'm not going back to HC in the 40s or 50s) the amount of enthusiasm generated by Umass' Final Four run compared to BC's Elite 8 appearances, it's Umass by a landslide.
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Post by Tom on Jul 22, 2021 13:20:29 GMT -5
This is a Barstool parody graphic meant to draw a reaction and it looks like it worked here. ”Compiled by South Harmon Institute of Technology” —> S.H.I… I thought it was silly but totally missed the intended joke. Even noticed the compiled by but didn't pick up on the acronym. My bad
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 22, 2021 14:33:06 GMT -5
Bottom line regarding the Big East....All Hat, ...... No Cattle. Looking at Endowments and Campus Facilities, for peer, private institutions, ....... Providence College, St. John’s, Seton Hall. Exceptions being Georgetown and Villanova. Certainly Basketball for the Men’s program, Big East affiliation has provided visibility for the schools, however it has has not provided a dramatic increase to their endowments, nor delivered an overall on campus athletic physical plant regarding facilities to the schools, that is vastly superior than the current venues on Mt. St. James. Three points: 1. Increases in endowments is a function of the size of the donor base and the time value of money. It's not about athletics. 2. As noted in another thread, facilities is a function of available acreage. DePaul has 22,000 students and a 36 acre campus. You're not going to get a lot of open space with those numbers. 3. The Big East Conference was never intended to be a driver of on-campus physical plant. Providence doesn't need a 12,000 seat arena when one stands available two miles away. Fiserv Forum is a 0.9 mile drive from Marquette's campus.
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Post by purplenurple on Jul 22, 2021 15:27:47 GMT -5
Per capita, it's probably Harvard today.....if we had gone Big East, it would have been Holy Cross, easily. if this was the Willard years I think we could have had a serious hat in this ring, though BC was better than as well (psst, they haven't made the Tournament in 12 years). No one cares about Harvard basketball, no matter Tommy Amaker and Globe articles may say (the Crimson also have not made the Dance since 2015). Sorry state of affairs for Massachusetts college hoops.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2021 15:39:38 GMT -5
If you compared (in my adulthood, I'm not going back to HC in the 40s or 50s) the amount of enthusiasm generated by Umass' Final Four run compared to BC's Elite 8 appearances, it's Umass by a landslide. The State was apoplectic during that run. How would you rate Coach Cal's run with UMass compared to Flutiemania at BC? They both dominated the nightly news on all Boston Stations at their peak in my memory.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 22, 2021 15:44:43 GMT -5
I agree with your points.
That being said, year after year, I have been hearing the lament, what a big mistake it was not joining the Big East....
Outside of the visibility of the men’s basketball programs, most notably Georgetown, Villanova and UConn, that have won national championships, and the women’s program at UConn, I continue to question how Big East membership has strengthened the other member institutions. Overall facility wise, it has not. Beyond playing in a large venue, most not owned by the member institutions for men’s basketball, have the other programs really benefited? Big East membership, has an high cost with arena rental, charter plane flights, and other travel related expenses.
I am trying to understand in 2021, why HC financially and as an academic institution would be better off in the Big East or the A10. Looking at the majority of peer Big East schools, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s along with Fordham and several other school in A10, I see a lot of expenses that must be offset by the basketball TV contracts. How long will that last with new media content delivery?
So from an institutional viability standpoint, financially and academically how would HC been better off if the decision made 40 years ago had been different. Looking at the longitudinal data.... regarding each school.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2021 15:50:42 GMT -5
Bottom line regarding the Big East....All Hat, ...... No Cattle. Looking at Endowments and Campus Facilities, for peer, private institutions, ....... Providence College, St. John’s, Seton Hall. Exceptions being Georgetown and Villanova. Certainly Basketball for the Men’s program, Big East affiliation has provided visibility for the schools, however it has has not provided a dramatic increase to their endowments, nor delivered an overall on campus athletic physical plant regarding facilities to the schools, that is vastly superior than the current venues on Mt. St. James. Three points: 1. Increases in endowments is a function of the size of the donor base and the time value of money. It's not about athletics. 2. As noted in another thread, facilities is a function of available acreage. DePaul has 22,000 students and a 36 acre campus. You're not going to get a lot of open space with those numbers. 3. The Big East Conference was never intended to be a driver of on-campus physical plant. Providence doesn't need a 12,000 seat arena when one stands available two miles away. Fiserv Forum is a 0.9 mile drive from Marquette's campus. Good point about the downtown arenas. If teams like the WooSox and the Las Vegas Raiders can get local and state governments to build them a facility how can a college be criticized for doing the same thing? Siena takes this approach and it may have the best fan support of any mid major within a couple of hours or so of HC. The trick at HC would be to get our BB and hockey teams good enough to sell out the Hart and take advantage of the downtown arena in Worcester.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 22, 2021 16:12:17 GMT -5
Big East athletics are not aligned philosophically with level of HC's emphasis on academics.
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Post by trimster on Jul 22, 2021 16:25:05 GMT -5
Doing well in both athletics and academics isn't mutually exclusive. What if HC could have turned out to be the Duke of the Big East? We will never know but maybe we squandered the chance to do it. There were things in place in 1979 to give it a go.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 22, 2021 16:30:01 GMT -5
Ya think Fr. Brooks is spending extra time in purgatory because of this decision? I'm guessing not.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 22, 2021 16:33:08 GMT -5
We will never know but maybe we squandered the chance to do it. OK, and it cannot be changed at this point.
"Maybe" is a powerful work in some ways, and it does help put this into perspective. Will we "maybe" be able to finally put this decision behind us? Please.
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