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Post by purplehaze on Sept 26, 2021 20:58:54 GMT -5
I know Vandy will be fine - was I was referring to is that it's never a good idea to be the 'laughing stock' of a Power 5 league - there simply may be no way the Commodores to navigate their way up the football standings with their inherent limitations (and that might apply to basketball also)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 26, 2021 21:45:00 GMT -5
If you look over the last 70 years Vanderbilt would vie for the title of least successful D-1 program with Kent State and Columbia. Vandy did have a run of non-abysmal seasons in the 2010’s . Vandys basketball team has been decent to good over the years but has been awful the past three seasons. Vandy baseball is an outstanding program
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Post by HC92 on Sept 27, 2021 6:51:01 GMT -5
I haven’t read this whole thread but it seems like football should be treated as its own business and be configured in whatever way makes the most money for the most teams. Conferences don’t mean anything anymore other than as profit-seeking alliances. The rest of the sports should all be part of non-football conferences that are geographically based groups of schools of like size and resources. Maybe basketball goes down the same path but there are a lot of sports out there and none of this makes sense for them.
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Post by trimster on Sept 27, 2021 7:57:08 GMT -5
Looks like conference musical chairs is really amping up. Who knows where it ends. Looks like the Ohio Valley Conference is taking a big hit with two schools headed for the ASUN and now, Belmont is heading to the Missouri Valley Conference.
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 27, 2021 21:12:58 GMT -5
I haven’t read this whole thread but it seems like football should be treated as its own business and be configured in whatever way makes the most money for the most teams. Conferences don’t mean anything anymore other than as profit-seeking alliances. The rest of the sports should all be part of non-football conferences that are geographically based groups of schools of like size and resources. Maybe basketball goes down the same path but there are a lot of sports out there and none of this makes sense for them. I have been saying the same thing for a number of years now. It's a pretty obvious and simple solution to the mess we have now,
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 27, 2021 23:06:21 GMT -5
I know Vandy will be fine - was I was referring to is that it's never a good idea to be the 'laughing stock' of a Power 5 league - there simply may be no way the Commodores to navigate their way up the football standings with their inherent limitations (and that might apply to basketball also) Duke football has been just as bad historically...but has been better the last ten years or so.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 28, 2021 0:01:58 GMT -5
I know Vandy will be fine - was I was referring to is that it's never a good idea to be the 'laughing stock' of a Power 5 league - there simply may be no way the Commodores to navigate their way up the football standings with their inherent limitations (and that might apply to basketball also) Duke football has been just as bad historically...but has been better the last ten years or so. Not quite--here's how the two teams compare in the futility competition since 1950 Team's W-L-T within its conference Decade= Duke Record vs Vandy Record
1950-59= 40-11-1 vs 24-31-7 1960-69= 38-22-2 vs 7-49-4 1970-79= 22-33-4 vs 7-52-1 1980-89= 26-40-1 vs 11-50-1 1990-99= 16-63-0 vs 13-65-0 2000-09= 7-73-0 vs 13-67-0 2010-19= 30-50-0 vs 22-58-0 2020-21= 1-9-0 vs 0-10-0
Total= 180-301-8 vs 96-382-13
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 28, 2021 0:16:10 GMT -5
Duke football has been just as bad historically...but has been better the last ten years or so. Not quite--here's how the two teams compare in the futility competition since 1950 Team's W-L-T within its conference Decade= Duke Record vs Vandy Record
1950-59= 40-11-1 vs 24-31-7 1960-69= 38-22-2 vs 7-49-4 1970-79= 22-33-4 vs 7-52-1 1980-89= 26-40-1 vs 11-50-1 1990-99= 16-63-0 vs 13-65-0 2000-09= 7-73-0 vs 13-67-0 2010-19= 30-50-0 vs 22-58-0 2020-21= 1-9-0 vs 0-10-0
Total= 180-301-8 vs 96-382-13
Since 1990, (my entire life basically) then which is now over 30 years they are similar...Duke has six more wins if my quick math was right. Since 1966, Duke has had a conference record better than .500 on six occasions (2013 and 2014 were the latest while going .500 in 2015). Vanderbilt has had two.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 28, 2021 10:07:16 GMT -5
Schedule degree of difficulty a little bit higher for Vandy than for Duke.
Although Vandy's primary partner in the West is Ole Miss. So between the Rebels and Kentucky, at the very least Vandy has a fighting chance for 2 wins every year in the SEC.
Northwestern up until the mid-1990s was easily the most futile power conference program. They've been very solid since then, although they have yet to duplicate their 1994 Rose Bowl appearance. They're probably above a .450 winning % since then as a program. But if you put them in the SEC, they'd probably be right on par with Vanderbilt.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 28, 2021 10:16:37 GMT -5
I haven’t read this whole thread but it seems like football should be treated as its own business and be configured in whatever way makes the most money for the most teams. Conferences don’t mean anything anymore other than as profit-seeking alliances. The rest of the sports should all be part of non-football conferences that are geographically based groups of schools of like size and resources. Maybe basketball goes down the same path but there are a lot of sports out there and none of this makes sense for them. We're probably 15 years away from something like this. Makes sense. Scheduling alliances could be set up by individual sport. Basically how conferences are currently set up for hockey but for every sport. Club sports also operate like this. Minor sports should go down same path. Example: HC Swimming & Diving would be more apt to compete in a league with WPI and Springfield than to compete against the service acadmies.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 28, 2021 10:18:58 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how Stanford would do in the SEC? They've had a solid program for many years.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 28, 2021 10:52:44 GMT -5
If you look over the last 70 years Vanderbilt would vie for the title of least successful D-1 program with Kent State and Columbia. Vandy did have a run of non-abysmal seasons in the 2010’s . Vandys basketball team has been decent to good over the years but has been awful the past three seasons. Vandy baseball is an outstanding program I'd put Rice right up (or down) there too. Again, good baseball but nothing else.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 28, 2021 10:56:38 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how Stanford would do in the SEC? They've had a solid program for many years. Decent. They've gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Oregon in years when they've beem really good. How about Notre Dame in the SEC? .500?
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 28, 2021 11:46:07 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the UConn at Vandy game this Saturday - God help Vandy if they lose this one
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 28, 2021 20:18:04 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the UConn at Vandy game this Saturday - God help Vandy if they lose this one Vanderbilt-14.5 hosting the Huskies a week after the Georgia debacle. If that doesn't illustrate how awful the perception of UCONN is, I don't know what does.
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 29, 2021 18:44:13 GMT -5
Duke football has been just as bad historically...but has been better the last ten years or so. Not quite--here's how the two teams compare in the futility competition since 1950 Team's W-L-T within its conference Decade= Duke Record vs Vandy Record
1950-59= 40-11-1 vs 24-31-7 1960-69= 38-22-2 vs 7-49-4 1970-79= 22-33-4 vs 7-52-1 1980-89= 26-40-1 vs 11-50-1 1990-99= 16-63-0 vs 13-65-0 2000-09= 7-73-0 vs 13-67-0 2010-19= 30-50-0 vs 22-58-0 2020-21= 1-9-0 vs 0-10-0
Total= 180-301-8 vs 96-382-13
About a .210 percentage for Vandy vs. .380 for Duke. Someone more mathematically inclined than I could probably come up with a numerical calculation that quantifies exactly how much more difficult the SEC is than the ACC. At the end of the day, it’s splitting hairs. Both programs fighting an uphill battle within their leagues, although Duke has more “upside” given where they play.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 29, 2021 19:44:54 GMT -5
To me, if the question is about futility, then the only measure is W-L record. Vanderbilt chooses to compete in the SEC, it wasn’t put there by some national commissioner.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 29, 2021 20:35:16 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the UConn at Vandy game this Saturday - God help Vandy if they lose this one Vanderbilt-14.5 hosting the Huskies a week after the Georgia debacle. If that doesn't illustrate how awful the perception of UCONN is, I don't know what does. The Huskies lost by two at the end of the game vs Wyoming. They're ready to beat someone. I'd love to see them knock off Vandy to validate HC's victory and then starch Yale just on general principle that the Ivies deserve a comeuppance whenever possible.😋
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 29, 2021 21:08:54 GMT -5
They ain't beating Vandy. They'll beat UMess a week from Sat.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 30, 2021 5:50:46 GMT -5
To me, if the question is about futility, then the only measure is W-L record. Vanderbilt chooses to compete in the SEC, it wasn’t put there by some national commissioner. True, good point
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Post by trimster on Sept 30, 2021 7:33:48 GMT -5
Colorado State and Air Force are rumored to be heading to the AAC. Sources say FADNP is one of the leaders of moving the Falcons to the American.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 30, 2021 21:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 1, 2021 8:46:35 GMT -5
That is a sad article. I hope UConn wins this and their game vs UMass. It could give a slight boost to our win over the FBS Huskies.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 1, 2021 9:38:37 GMT -5
Colorado State and Air Force are rumored to be heading to the AAC. Sources say FADNP is one of the leaders of moving the Falcons to the American.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 1, 2021 12:53:55 GMT -5
AFAD has seemed to favor the status quo.
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