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Post by nhteamer on Oct 23, 2016 12:49:00 GMT -5
The football game had 71 more attendees than the hockey game
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Post by hchoops on Oct 23, 2016 12:58:29 GMT -5
Not good, but weather had to be a big factor
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 23, 2016 13:20:10 GMT -5
In fact, it was a major, major factor. There are not too many fans rabid enough to have braved this kind of weather. Not many of us old enough to remember the '66 Dartmouth game and I have to admit that while I usually stay until the bitter end, I think '45 was the only one in our group that was still there when I left midway through the 4th quarter but then watched the internet stream in Hogan.
8485 had the quote of the day after I mentioned how we "bookended" our scores, first and last, with Lehigh scoring everything else in-between: "So, if we skipped the middle 55 minutes of the game, we would have won." or words to that effect.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 23, 2016 13:23:57 GMT -5
With all due respect to td128.....nobody cares anymore.
The program has been in a slumber since we joined the PL, the BC game has gone (I know it's been resurrected...but still), we lose more than we win, tailgating has been a hassle for awhile, we play a lot of schools that no one cares about and their fans don't travel etc etc.....it's going to take a whole "new look" at the football program to turn it around both on and off the field.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 23, 2016 13:33:57 GMT -5
Villanova played Albany yesterday in a homecoming game before 5109. Weather was clear in Radnor Township (Sunny in Philadelphia).
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Post by hc87 on Oct 23, 2016 13:39:34 GMT -5
Villanova has nevah been a "football school".....Holy Cross was once....it isn't anymore.
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Post by gks on Oct 23, 2016 13:48:26 GMT -5
You're not going to get good crowds week after week for a product that has been neglected for 20+ years. TD128 and others are fighting the good fight. It will take time. You need consistent talent, good schedule and good marketing. Gonna be awhile. Worcester moved on.....Going to be a tough battle to get them back.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 23, 2016 14:18:00 GMT -5
So, even though they won an FCS national championship, they are not a football school. I got it. Then, we should just pack it up now as we could improve to the point of a national championship and still have meager crowds. That about it?
In which case, consider stop harping on firing Gilmore and try to jumpstart a bandwagon to abandon the sport altogether.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 23, 2016 14:23:00 GMT -5
A battle? When have HC athletes ever been afraid of a battle? Heck, they are CRUSADERS, aren't they? Remember, "In this sign thou shalt conquer?" It did not say conquer by tomorrow. At least HC seems to finally be picking up the colors and starting to again move forward.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 23, 2016 14:31:22 GMT -5
You're not going to get good crowds week after week for a product that has been neglected for 20+ years. TD128 and others are fighting the good fight. It will take time. You need consistent talent, good schedule and good marketing. Gonna be awhile. Worcester moved on.....Going to be a tough battle to get them back. Remind me again what the good people of Worcester have supported in the last 30 years?
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Post by gks on Oct 23, 2016 15:14:42 GMT -5
People of Worcester used to support Holy Cross. Now they don't. Do you blame them? They'll never come back with attitudes like yours hcgrad94.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 23, 2016 15:20:59 GMT -5
People of Worcester used to support Holy Cross. Now they don't. Do you blame them? They'll never come back with attitudes like yours hcgrad94. Has nothing to do with my attitude. HC has had some teams worth supporting in both BB and football in the last 15 years. The product is affordable and accessible. In the internet age people know when the games are played. HC reaches out to youth groups and corporations. There are promotions and family packs. The folks of Worcester have chosen not to attend, which is their right. They have also made this choice with every other college and pro franchise that have come and gone. There is a reason Worcester has failed to thrive over the last 20+ years. I have noticed a lack of leadership and innovation from political class. It's residents are more concerned with where you went to HS than anything else. There is a myopic view of the world that has hurt the city and I think impacted the city in a negative way. Things seem to be looking up and I hope that happens.
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Post by gks on Oct 23, 2016 15:38:55 GMT -5
I have coached multiple youth sports in CMass for a few years including football. Holy Cross has never reached out to any league I have been associated with. And this includes football.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 24, 2016 8:32:01 GMT -5
Cornell @ Brown (family weekend) 3013 Harvard @ Princeton 9963 Penn @ Yale (Friday night, cloudy, warm) 8674 Georgetown @ Fordham (Family weekend) 8231 Previous week Yale @ Fordham (sunny weather) 4671 UPenn @ Fordham (Homecoming) (cloudy warm) 7816 Syracuse @ BC, announced attendance about 34,000
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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2016 8:47:57 GMT -5
Jack Coffey field at Fordham is generously rounded off as 7000 capacity. Were there really that many standing in those games listed 7000+ ?
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Post by purple1 on Oct 24, 2016 8:56:42 GMT -5
I attended both games - there were twice as many people at the hockey game. The only students at the game were the players, band and cheering squad - thanks for being there ! The 1st half was a wet affair, but the 2nd half was more than tolerable to watch. I was surprised the rain subsided. It is disappointing to see the lack of student and faculty support for our student athletes when they need them most.....these are their classmates and friends. Put the computer and cell phone away for an afternoon and experience a meaningful social event, which may teach them a thing or two about the real world they will face in the near future.
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Post by lou on Oct 24, 2016 9:04:51 GMT -5
In a strange bit of scheduling, our leaders on the baseball team decided to hold their golf fundraising event in the Fall, on Family Weekend, with a home football game vs Lehigh on the schedule. It was held previous years in the Spring along with an afternoon doubleheader. I'll assume they didn't golf on Saturday
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Post by wooman on Oct 24, 2016 9:27:11 GMT -5
People of Worcester used to support Holy Cross. Now they don't. Do you blame them? They'll never come back with attitudes like yours hcgrad94. You're spot on GKS. It is disappointing that people like HC94 who are presumably bright and obviously well educated think that the haughty, elitist approach is somehow going to help muster desperately needed local support for HC's athletic teams. Like you, I have been involved in a myriad of different youth sports organizations in the area and cannot recall an instance where HC has reached out to help expand its footprint in the community. This is not the case with many of the other area colleges. Even Worcester Academy does a better job of building relationships with area youth sports organizations IMHO. The approach of HC94, coupled with an overall mediocre product over the past decade or more, is not a recipe for success.
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Post by lou on Oct 24, 2016 9:39:05 GMT -5
I'm an outsider, but I see kids' teams at football and basketball games all the time ... is this not reaching out?
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 24, 2016 9:58:52 GMT -5
People of Worcester used to support Holy Cross. Now they don't. Do you blame them? They'll never come back with attitudes like yours hcgrad94. You're spot on GKS. It is disappointing that people like HC94 who are presumably bright and obviously well educated think that the haughty, elitist approach is somehow going to help muster desperately needed local support for HC's athletic teams. Like you, I have been involved in a myriad of different youth sports organizations in the area and cannot recall an instance where HC has reached out to help expand its footprint in the community. This is not the case with many of the other area colleges. Even Worcester Academy does a better job of building relationships with area youth sports organizations IMHO. The approach of HC94, coupled with an overall mediocre product over the past decade or more, is not a recipe for success.
several teams serve a Big Brothers/Sisters to city kids. It has been that way for the 40 years I lived in Worcester. During this period several church/youth league football/basketball programs have played at half times.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 24, 2016 10:18:13 GMT -5
Jack Coffey field at Fordham is generously rounded off as 7000 capacity. Were there really that many standing in those games listed 7000+ ? The Provincial needs to have a heart-to-heart with the President of Fordham re: the venality of being deliberately mendacious.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2016 10:45:45 GMT -5
Jack Coffey field at Fordham is generously rounded off as 7000 capacity. Were there really that many standing in those games listed 7000+ ? The Provincial needs to have a heart-to-heart with the President of Fordham re: the venality of being deliberately mendacious. C Certainly not Fr Joe McShane, a good friend
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 24, 2016 10:59:49 GMT -5
Phreek was being facetious.
Besides, the president would have nothing to do with announcements of game attendance.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2016 11:07:12 GMT -5
Phreek was being facetious. Besides, the president would have nothing to do with announcements of game attendance. I know both to be true.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 24, 2016 11:49:04 GMT -5
Strictly speaking from the 30,000-foot level...
You can reach out to every local youth organization you want. It's going to be very difficult to get them to show up on a blustery, rainy October day for a product they're not already invested in. When you're promoting an outdoor sport, that happens - especially in New England.
The easiest way to get people invested is to win. It's been repeated here ad nauseum. There's also been a lot of references to what the program used to be 25-30 years ago. Things have changed immensely since then. There's been an entire generation now brought up without HC football registering much of a blip on the radar both within the Worcester community or with HC alumni. It will take YEARS to rebuild the marketplace awareness and goodwill, and it's even more difficult when the results aren't there on the field yet.
TD128 and others are working very hard behind the scenes to work on the items they can control. They're doing a wonderful job. The approach from the athletic department has been significantly different in recent years, which has been a welcomed change. Neither TD nor athletic department personnel, however, can impact the results on the field/court/ice. So you put all of these plans in place and you hope for the best, and "the best" rarely comes unless the team is winning or successful.
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