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Post by purplehaze on Aug 12, 2021 11:58:35 GMT -5
From the MAAC office today - interesting
"For the 2021-22 Academic Year, all cancelled games related to a team not being able to field a team because of COVID issues including quarantines will be considered a forfeit and will not be rescheduled. Forfeited games are recorded as a loss for the team unable to compete, and as a win for the opponent."
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 12, 2021 12:16:58 GMT -5
From the MAAC office today - interesting "For the 2021-22 Academic Year, all cancelled games related to a team not being able to field a team because of COVID issues including quarantines will be considered a forfeit and will not be rescheduled. Forfeited games are recorded as a loss for the team unable to compete, and as a win for the opponent." Pac-12 also
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2021 12:28:31 GMT -5
Do the MAAC and the PAC12 have school mandatory vaccine policies ? How many PL schools have that policy ?
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Post by lou on Aug 12, 2021 12:36:22 GMT -5
It seems any penalty should only be related to unvaccinated circumstances
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Post by bison137 on Aug 12, 2021 12:47:58 GMT -5
Do the MAAC and the PAC12 have school mandatory vaccine policies ? How many PL schools have that policy ? Not required in the MAAC or the PAC12. I know Bucknell requires it. And I am almost certain it is required at all of the other private schools. But as of two days ago, it was not required at Army or Navy.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 12, 2021 13:11:30 GMT -5
Maybe Secretary Austin is in discussion with West Point and Annapolis.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 12, 2021 14:14:25 GMT -5
It seems any penalty should only be related to unvaccinated circumstances So it’s not about the safety and health at all then, rather if one received the shot or not? Perhaps I’m not understanding your post. Could you elaborate?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 12, 2021 14:17:43 GMT -5
If Team A says they cannot play a game (presumably for medical reasons - and I would include contact tracing here) and Team B can play, then Team A must forfeit and Team B gets a win.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2021 17:39:56 GMT -5
I doubt there will be much discussion. Last I saw, Austin was almost ready to pull the trigger on ordering all members of the armed forces to get vaccinated with the usual exemptions. If he so orders, the men and women at West Point, Annapolis and AFA are all members of the armed forces and would fall under those same orders.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 12, 2021 18:09:44 GMT -5
My comment was tongue in cheek regarding discussion. I have been following the plan for all military to be vaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 18:18:21 GMT -5
Do the MAAC and the PAC12 have school mandatory vaccine policies ? How many PL schools have that policy ? Not required in the MAAC or the PAC12. I know Bucknell requires it. And I am almost certain it is required at all of the other private schools. But as of two days ago, it was not required at Army or Navy. Several MAAC schools have mandatory COVID vaccine policies, but these policies do not carry much weight with students being able to request exemptions. The Chronicle of Higher Education maintains a list of over 600 colleges in the US that currently mandate vaccines.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 12, 2021 18:40:57 GMT -5
I wonder how many members of the military we will lose if the Secy mandates vaccinations for all
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 12, 2021 18:47:27 GMT -5
To them I would say Bye..Bye. Don’t let the door hit you as you receive your separation papers. Failure to follow an order will probably lead to dishonorable discharge.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2021 19:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2021 20:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2021 1:12:08 GMT -5
If Team A says they cannot play a game (presumably for medical reasons - and I would include contact tracing here) and Team B can play, then Team A must forfeit and Team B gets a win. Then Team A should say their bus broke down.
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Post by lou on Aug 13, 2021 6:52:24 GMT -5
It seems any penalty should only be related to unvaccinated circumstances So it’s not about the safety and health at all then, rather if one received the shot or not? Perhaps I’m not understanding your post. Could you elaborate? Not saying play the game, just don't penalize with a loss vaccinated teams, similar to what the NFL is talking about
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 13, 2021 8:15:02 GMT -5
So it’s not about the safety and health at all then, rather if one received the shot or not? Perhaps I’m not understanding your post. Could you elaborate? Not saying play the game, just don't penalize with a loss vaccinated teams, similar to what the NFL is talking about I've been thinking about this. I guess you could say the team that is vaccinated "did the right thing," so if they nevertheless have to forfeit due to COVID it would be unfair. But then you get into a situation where the conferences or leagues have to be the arbiter of this. How many players were vaccinated? Was a vaccinated player the one who caused the outbreak? Did it spread to non-vaccinated players? Was it introduced while the team was at study hall, or in an isolated dorm? Did half the team go to South Beach and party it up at LIV all night long and catch COVID from fan girls? Probably too many variables.
So, the conference says whether you did the right things and just got unlucky, or were totally irresponsible/risk-taking in your behavior, if you're unwell to play due to COVID, then you must forfeit. Want to avoid a forfeit? Avoid COVID. However that can be done.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 13, 2021 8:36:40 GMT -5
The issue of teams with COVID cases is likely to be limited to those states, e.g., Florida, where the governor has decreed that colleges and universities can't mandate vaccinations, and where there is less than robust testing.
The Holy Cross team is presumably fully vaccinated, and is being tested at least once a week. Over 600 tests on campus this week, so far. HC's policy this fall is not to quarantine close contacts of an infected person. Infected person is isolated, until they test negative. It is hard to envision a team forfeit, under this situation.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2021 8:44:43 GMT -5
The issue of teams with COVID cases is likely to be limited to those states, e.g., Florida, where the governor has decreed that colleges and universities can't mandate vaccinations, and where there is less than robust testing. Which is why the SEC will not enact this policy
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 13, 2021 8:46:54 GMT -5
The issue of teams with COVID cases is likely to be limited to those states, e.g., Florida, where the governor has decreed that colleges and universities can't mandate vaccinations, and where there is less than robust testing. The Holy Cross team is presumably fully vaccinated, and is being tested at least once a week. Over 600 tests on campus this week, so far. HC's policy this fall is not to quarantine close contacts of an infected person. Infected person is isolated, until they test negative. It is hard to envision a team forfeit, under this situation. I know PP, you'd know better than anyone that 85% is not 100%. The Yankees had reached at least the 85% threshold, but have had at least two separate outbreaks on the team. They travel more, yes... but if the policy is to flip a lid and shut things down when somebody tests positive, regardless of vaccination status, a lot of things are going to keep getting shut down.
Let's hope HC doesn't have to suffer similar consequences as you say.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 13, 2021 9:33:53 GMT -5
Circuit justice Barrett handled that Indiana Univ case alone and did the right thing -
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2021 16:05:32 GMT -5
A small cozy league like the PL is a family of sorts and doesn't have to leave any family member behind if possible. The PL could continue the Spring football approach of trying to be flexible to help every team as well as the league. HC football has as much or more to potentially lose by a strict forfeiture policy than other teams. If the "invisible enemy" as a former President used to call it slips through the most disciplined protocols and we have to forfeit a couple of games we could be out of the league championship and the FCS playoffs and the clock could run out on the Chesney era without ever being able to fully realize it's potential.
A policy that allows wins and losses to be determined as much as possible on the field of play even if the game is rescheduled to a Monday or judged a non-game is better for the strongest team in the league.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2021 16:06:49 GMT -5
Circuit justice Barrett handled that Indiana Univ case alone and did the right thing - Showed no nonsense decisiveness for the Court's newest member.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 13, 2021 18:50:42 GMT -5
To them I would say Bye..Bye. Don’t let the door hit you as you receive your separation papers. Failure to follow an order will probably lead to dishonorable discharge. If that were to be the case, we are in a very sad place as a country.
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