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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2021 10:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 13, 2021 11:33:30 GMT -5
Why canโt we get players like that?๐๐
More seriously, has the Patriot League objectively improved since KHโs days? Would someone of his talents still be the PL POY or are players throughout the league as good or better than Kevin was?
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Post by hc6774 on Aug 13, 2021 11:57:26 GMT -5
did he start as a freshman?
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Post by Tom on Aug 13, 2021 12:01:32 GMT -5
I'm thinking Jave Meade and Brian Wilson started in the back court most games
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 13, 2021 12:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2021 12:47:09 GMT -5
True, but I believe he played an important role in the PLT towards our PLC.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2021 12:57:13 GMT -5
KHam hit some rough spots as a freshman but I believe it would be accurate to say that he showed great improvement in the second half of the season. Here's one statistical comparison that might be illustrative of how he became a great HC player: as a freshman, per Kenpom, he committed 4.7 fouls per 40 minutes and drew 2.9 fouls per 40 minutes. As a senior he committed 2.9 and drew 6.1. That alone likely caused a swing of +4 points per 40 minutes in HC's favor
EDIT: Took me a while to type this so I missed hchoops's post--glad to see I am in synch with his thinking
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 13, 2021 13:03:46 GMT -5
You need to take 1 foul from his junior season that was clearly a block not a charge! And no I do not hold grudges!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 13, 2021 13:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 13, 2021 13:11:39 GMT -5
HC hasn't really seen a player to his caliber since. The PL doesn't seem to have gotten much better. Even if it has, HC has gotten much worse. Here is to MUCH brighter days ahead; we're due.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 13, 2021 13:19:54 GMT -5
True, but I believe he played an important role in the PLT towards our PLC. Including a huge 5-point possession in the PLC where he scored and was fouled, missed the free throw, got the offensive rebound, and passed to Patrick Whearty for a hoop + foul. My favorite memory from those early 2000s PLC games at packed Hart Centers.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2021 13:28:56 GMT -5
HC hasn't really seen a player to his caliber since. Well, it was immediately after Kevin, but Keith Simmons and Torrey Thomas were the same caliber as Kevin
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 13, 2021 14:18:03 GMT -5
HC hasn't really seen a player to his caliber since. Well, it was immediately after Kevin, but Keith Simmons and Torrey Thomas were the same caliber as Kevin For my money, I thought Simmons was the "better" Keith, but many in the program and fans as well considered Hamilton "better." If Hamilton was better than Simmons, I don't think we have seen a player as talented or more talented since.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 13, 2021 14:41:22 GMT -5
I seem to recall some on the old board were wondering mid way through his frosh if he was thinking about transferring, he was getting so little burn. If he was discouraged, he certainly turned that frown upside down in the PLT!
One of my favorite memories of Kham was watching him in person toy with the Fighting Irish in the 2005 NIT (with a little help from his friends). Lot's of smiles that night.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2021 14:41:41 GMT -5
That Miller kid we had for a few years-the one who played in the NBA--was pretty talented
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 13, 2021 14:59:27 GMT -5
That Miller kid we had for a few years-the one who played in the NBA--was pretty talented Hamilton and Simmons were on a level above Miller, but didn't have the same luck to make their way onto the end of an NBA roster. (Ducks for cover from those who don't want to believe the truth)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 13, 2021 15:00:59 GMT -5
Dudz wasn't bad......
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 13, 2021 15:01:21 GMT -5
oops, forgot - Thank You Sean Kearney
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2021 15:08:55 GMT -5
Well, it was immediately after Kevin, but Keith Simmons and Torrey Thomas were the same caliber as Kevin For my money, I thought Simmons was the "better" Keith, but many in the program and fans as well considered Hamilton "better." If Hamilton was better than Simmons, I don't think we have seen a player as talented or more talented since. When comparing one player to another, I like to subtract one player's stats from another to see what the difference is. For example, looking just at offense, and shooting in particular, and recognizing that there is more to the game than raw statistics : 2 Point Shooting KHam was 242 for 556 Keith was 367 for 663 Difference is that Keith made 125 more twos with 107 more shots--no competition there with Keith shooting 1.168 on the incremental shots 3 Point shooting KHam was 222 for 640 Keith was 194 for 463 Difference is that KHam made 28 more threes with 177 more shots-- so KHam shot .158 on the incremental shots Free Throw shooting Kham was 342 for 570 Keith was 338 for 435 Difference is that Kham was able to get to the line more and take 135 more free throws...but he made only 4 more free throws Two truly great Holy Cross players--and I looked at only one component of offense with no look at the defense which is half the game, of course.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2021 16:17:33 GMT -5
And rebounding as well
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Post by possum on Aug 13, 2021 16:22:21 GMT -5
It looks like Miller had a higher ceiling than Hamilton or Simmons unfortunately he didn't come close to realizing it till the very end of his HC career.
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Post by cmo on Aug 13, 2021 20:41:43 GMT -5
It looks like Miller had a higher ceiling than Hamilton or Simmons unfortunately he didn't come close to realizing it till the very end of his HC career. the previous 2 had a coach who was 10x better.
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Post by possum on Aug 13, 2021 21:24:23 GMT -5
No question the other two had a superior coach but they also played with better players, think it was more a case of Miller being a late bloomer than poor coaching.
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Post by Tom on Aug 14, 2021 6:17:43 GMT -5
No question the other two had a superior coach but they also played with better players, think it was more a case of Miller being a late bloomer than poor coaching. Isn't helping kids bloom and reach their full potential part of coaching?
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Post by timholycross on Aug 14, 2021 8:14:07 GMT -5
That Miller kid we had for a few years-the one who played in the NBA--was pretty talented Hamilton and Simmons were on a level above Miller, but didn't have the same luck to make their way onto the end of an NBA roster. (Ducks for cover from those who don't want to believe the truth)If they were both MM's height, I might agree w/you, but that extra couple inches was worth more than luck.
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