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Post by HC92 on Aug 14, 2021 21:16:49 GMT -5
It has come up in other threads as to where we are relative to some other schools. In researching schools for my son, I plugged in his SAT to one website and it returned a list of 119 “target” schools for him along with his % chance of admission. Below are 19 from that list that were of interest to me, many of which come up here with some regularity. I am certain these percentages are not fully accurate but I think the relative percentages are consistent with the wide variety of other sources I have reviewed.
Notre Dame (16%) Hamilton (20%) Northeastern (20%) Boston University (25%) Washington and Lee (26%) Davidson (27%) UVA (30%) Colgate (31%) UNC (31%) BC (36%) Villanova (42%) Richmond (43%) William and Mary (47%) Lafayette (49%) Holy Cross (54%) Bucknell (54%) Fordham (63%) Bentley (69%) UConn (70%)
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2021 21:27:39 GMT -5
Since we are SAT optional, how can this be a reliable predictor ?
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Post by HC92 on Aug 14, 2021 21:35:01 GMT -5
They showed an average SAT for HC of 1350. I think it’s fair to assume that the applicants who submit scores are, as a group, higher scoring than those who don’t. The real point was that the schools with lower admission percentages for my son all seem harder to get into than HC based on the consensus from many different sources.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2021 23:59:51 GMT -5
Does the 54% for Holy Cross take into account the legacy factor, i.e. the boatloads of cash you have been sending to Worcester for these past decades?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 15, 2021 7:43:57 GMT -5
I don't know whether that website factors whether you are a resident of state x or not, but non-residents applying to flagship state universities often have a harder time getting admitted.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 15, 2021 7:59:46 GMT -5
I don't know whether that website factors whether you are a resident of state x or not, but non-residents applying to flagship state universities often have a harder time getting admitted. The only input was the SAT score but you are correct that the UNC and UVA percentages might go down for an out-of-stater. And maybe the UConn one would go up for a CT resident. That’s why I’m only interested in the relative percentages here because the actual percentages are influenced by so many other factors.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 21, 2021 16:28:07 GMT -5
In my experience, with multiple kids going to very good private colleges, including three to Alma Mater, SAT scores are a constantly declining factor in admissions decisions.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 21, 2021 18:08:41 GMT -5
In my experience, with multiple kids going to very good private colleges, including three to Alma Mater, SAT scores are a constantly declining factor in admissions decisions. Is your experience with admissions consistent with the percentages above suggesting HC is easier to get into than most of the schools on my list? That seems to be the consensus among the people I’ve talked to who have gone through the process recently but I’d be thrilled to hear from someone with different experiences.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 22, 2021 16:23:24 GMT -5
In my experience, with multiple kids going to very good private colleges, including three to Alma Mater, SAT scores are a constantly declining factor in admissions decisions. Is your experience with admissions consistent with the percentages above suggesting HC is easier to get into than most of the schools on my list? That seems to be the consensus among the people I’ve talked to who have gone through the process recently but I’d be thrilled to hear from someone with different experiences. Of the fourteen schools shown above HC on that list, I’d say that on any given day and with any given (appropriately qualified) applicant, we will rank below 4-5 of them, and will be on par with 9-10. My experience is that HC has done a very good job of looking beyond the statistics that applicants provide - something that most of the larger schools on the list just aren’t capable of doing.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 22, 2021 16:25:24 GMT -5
Good to hear. Thanks, Ignutz.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 22, 2021 17:08:29 GMT -5
I'd also say it's more about the rigor of the education once you get in rather than the rigor to be admitted.
I'd say the rigor at HC is what it has been based on both my kids.
And from a close friend who sent a number of children to HC and 1 to BC and 1 to Haverford, he was far more impressed with HC and it's ability to deliver on the 4 year undergraduate experience rather than the 4.5 year experience his BC daughter experienced because required classes were not offered frequently enough for her to take 1 or 2 of them until her 9th semester. Also said the undergraduate research experience was far superior at HC vs. BC. Daughter at BC never saw the professor in the research lab all summer only grad students who were directing her.
Never really said much about the Haverford experience his son had other than he got the opportunity to leave school for a semester to work on Hilary Clinton's Presidential campaign - I think it may have been paid but not sure. Also not sure how much the school helped with that.
In the end, biased as I am, I think the HC experience stacks up pretty well as far as the education received, regardless of how relatively hard or easy it is to be admitted. Have your son look for the best fit and where he feels "right" not the place that others tell him is "the best."
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 22, 2021 17:11:16 GMT -5
Good to hear. Thanks, Ignutz. Best wishes to your son.........and to you. My experience has been that kids usually wind up where they belong. Two sons, two daughters, and one step-daughter - one transfer. The first BU (Comm. Ave.) wasn’t quite right, but the second one, Brandeis, was very right.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 22, 2021 17:17:23 GMT -5
I'd also say it's more about the rigor of the education once you get in rather than the rigor to be admitted. I'd say the rigor at HC is what it has been based on both my kids. And from a close friend who sent a number of children to HC and 1 to BC and 1 to Haverford, he was far more impressed with HC and it's ability to deliver on the 4 year undergraduate experience rather than the 4.5 year experience his BC daughter experienced because required classes were not offered frequently enough for her to take 1 or 2 of them until her 9th semester. Also said the undergraduate research experience was far superior at HC vs. BC. Daughter at BC never saw the professor in the research lab all summer only grad students who were directing her. Never really said much about the Haverford experience his son had other than he got the opportunity to leave school for a semester to work on Hilary Clinton's Presidential campaign - I think it may have been paid but not sure. Also not sure how much the school helped with that. In the end, biased as I am, I think the HC experience stacks up pretty well as far as the education received, regardless of how relatively hard or easy it is to be admitted. Have your son look for the best fit and where he feels "right" not the place that others tell him is "the best." An HC classmate came to school on a football scholarship, but blew out his knee and never played a down. He was pre-med, and matriculated to UVA Medical School, where he was very surprised at the workload - nowhere near what he had at Holy Cross. Given that he graduated #1 in his medical school class, I’d say that HC prepared him very well.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 22, 2021 18:29:11 GMT -5
It has come up in other threads as to where we are relative to some other schools. In researching schools for my son, I plugged in his SAT to one website and it returned a list of 119 “target” schools for him along with his % chance of admission. Below are 19 from that list that were of interest to me, many of which come up here with some regularity. I am certain these percentages are not fully accurate but I think the relative percentages are consistent with the wide variety of other sources I have reviewed. Notre Dame (16%) Hamilton (20%) Northeastern (20%) Boston University (25%) Washington and Lee (26%) Davidson (27%) UVA (30%) Colgate (31%) UNC (31%) BC (36%) Villanova (42%) Richmond (43%) William and Mary (47%) Lafayette (49%) Holy Cross (54%) Bucknell (54%) Fordham (63%) Bentley (69%) UConn (70%) Funny enough, I do think that list is pretty accurate in terms of student/parent perceptions of certain schools as (relatively) academically stronger and weaker. Or at least at my NY public high school. (One exception might be to put Colgate higher on that list.) (I would agree that given the relative weighting of SAT/ACT scores or lack thereof amongst the listed schools I wouldn't bet the ranch on the percentages. And, needless to say things can really vary when applying ED v RD at certain schools but that is another story).
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Post by efg72 on Aug 22, 2021 18:37:09 GMT -5
Ugh-things really have changed over the years. I know evaluations and rankings often are arbitrary but the drop in perception is dramatic, especially as our coaches try to sell the value of the Holy Cross education, experience, and post grad opportunities.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 22, 2021 18:40:30 GMT -5
I'd also say it's more about the rigor of the education once you get in rather than the rigor to be admitted. I'd say the rigor at HC is what it has been based on both my kids. And from a close friend who sent a number of children to HC and 1 to BC and 1 to Haverford, he was far more impressed with HC and it's ability to deliver on the 4 year undergraduate experience rather than the 4.5 year experience his BC daughter experienced because required classes were not offered frequently enough for her to take 1 or 2 of them until her 9th semester. Also said the undergraduate research experience was far superior at HC vs. BC. Daughter at BC never saw the professor in the research lab all summer only grad students who were directing her. Never really said much about the Haverford experience his son had other than he got the opportunity to leave school for a semester to work on Hilary Clinton's Presidential campaign - I think it may have been paid but not sure. Also not sure how much the school helped with that. In the end, biased as I am, I think the HC experience stacks up pretty well as far as the education received, regardless of how relatively hard or easy it is to be admitted. Have your son look for the best fit and where he feels "right" not the place that others tell him is "the best." My HC daughter graduated in ‘03 magna, and received a full tuition scholarship to Columbia School of International and Public Affairs. She said how more rigorous HC was and how the professors were far superior at HC My son graduated HC in ‘06, went to Baruch of CCNY for his masters and found HC to be far more challenging and the teachers superior.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 22, 2021 20:38:59 GMT -5
New home page to introduce people to the school - very different look - what do you think ? www.holycross.edu/
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 22, 2021 20:43:55 GMT -5
My daughter graduated from HC in 2009 and after a couple of years teaching English in Spain got a masters at BU and Doctorate at Xavier in Ohio. After HC she never got less than an A in any course. HC is academically rigorous, no doubt
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 22, 2021 21:11:30 GMT -5
New home page to introduce people to the school - very different look - what do you think ? www.holycross.edu/
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 22, 2021 21:17:54 GMT -5
New home page to introduce people to the school - very different look - what do you think ? www.holycross.edu/It is more woke than traditional which could be helpful to appeal to HS juniors and seniors. When I got to the Montserrat slide I initially thought the graphic was a stained glass window and thought they would be including Catholicism and faith as one of the attractions. However that probably doesn't sell as well as it used to and the name of the College covers that territory adequately.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 22, 2021 21:27:58 GMT -5
New home page to introduce people to the school - very different look - what do you think ? www.holycross.edu/Attractive interacfive i like it
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Post by alum on Aug 23, 2021 7:13:03 GMT -5
It has come up in other threads as to where we are relative to some other schools. In researching schools for my son, I plugged in his SAT to one website and it returned a list of 119 “target” schools for him along with his % chance of admission. Below are 19 from that list that were of interest to me, many of which come up here with some regularity. I am certain these percentages are not fully accurate but I think the relative percentages are consistent with the wide variety of other sources I have reviewed. Notre Dame (16%) Hamilton (20%) Northeastern (20%) Boston University (25%) Washington and Lee (26%) Davidson (27%) UVA (30%) Colgate (31%) UNC (31%) BC (36%) Villanova (42%) Richmond (43%) William and Mary (47%) Lafayette (49%) Holy Cross (54%) Bucknell (54%) Fordham (63%) Bentley (69%) UConn (70%) Obviously, you have to convince your son to apply to all of these schools so that we can run a check on this site's predictive algorithims.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 23, 2021 10:30:01 GMT -5
It has come up in other threads as to where we are relative to some other schools. In researching schools for my son, I plugged in his SAT to one website and it returned a list of 119 “target” schools for him along with his % chance of admission. Below are 19 from that list that were of interest to me, many of which come up here with some regularity. I am certain these percentages are not fully accurate but I think the relative percentages are consistent with the wide variety of other sources I have reviewed. Notre Dame (16%) Hamilton (20%) Northeastern (20%) Boston University (25%) Washington and Lee (26%) Davidson (27%) UVA (30%) Colgate (31%) UNC (31%) BC (36%) Villanova (42%) Richmond (43%) William and Mary (47%) Lafayette (49%) Holy Cross (54%) Bucknell (54%) Fordham (63%) Bentley (69%) UConn (70%) Obviously, you have to convince your son to apply to all of these schools so that we can run a check on this site's predictive algorithims. Best case scenario is he finds one he loves, applies early, gets in and we can move on.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 23, 2021 10:44:11 GMT -5
And you will let him attend any school he wants, but you will only pay for one.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:15:54 GMT -5
Purely anecdotal. In my experience I have noticed, HC is rarely listed by NY Catholic high schools as one of the topnotch colleges to which their graduating seniors have been accepted. TBT, ND, BC, Georgetown, (Villanova ( a bit less) the Ivies, Colgate among others (MIT, the service academies) plus NY locals , FU, Manhattan, are frequently cited. But HC is rarely mentioned. At one time HC was a "hot college" prized by many Catholic high school students. It was generally acclaimed as the finest Catholic college or university in America. Not so, today. However, the college is in fact highly respected in professional, business circles, etc. Does it really matter if HC is not now what it once was?
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