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Post by HC13 on Aug 25, 2021 11:38:53 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 25, 2021 11:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 25, 2021 12:26:26 GMT -5
The woke nonsense continues. I am of Irish heritage and, while I am not a big Notre Dame fan, I see nothing wrong with the Leprechaun character. The "Fighting Irish" is not my favorite but I won't protest. If the mascot was the "Drunken Irish", playing off a truly negative stereotype, I would be most unhappy. The Leprechaun is fine in my book.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 25, 2021 12:27:27 GMT -5
I love how they include Vili the Warrior of the University of Hawaii when the team literally celebrates their polynesian heritage with a pregame and postgame haka.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 25, 2021 12:30:17 GMT -5
Irishmen have been known for their fighting prowess for a very long time. Typically, it is not seen as a negative. There is a story about General Washington who was said to have ordered, "No Irishmen on guard duty tonight. There is fighting to be done in the morning."
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Post by HC92 on Aug 25, 2021 12:41:53 GMT -5
When the mob gets to it, I suspect the reason won’t be that it’s offensive to the Irish because they are not really oppressed anymore, but that it is exclusionary and mascots must be more inclusive.
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Post by Xmassader on Aug 25, 2021 13:09:11 GMT -5
Regardless of “wokeness” or not, I am partially of Irish heritage and completely agree with kycrusader’s comment.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 25, 2021 13:33:22 GMT -5
Feel bad for the little (and imaginary) fella. I guess he’s racist or something.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 25, 2021 13:42:01 GMT -5
The part that surprises me is that our Crusader was older than the ND mascot having been adopted in 1925, 2 years before ND's mascot.
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Post by alum on Aug 25, 2021 15:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Aug 25, 2021 16:27:16 GMT -5
It is merely one minor pollster attempting to garner publicity. No sense drawing general conclusions about our nation's landscape. Relax.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 25, 2021 17:08:52 GMT -5
Perhaps, but I hope the tragic events of the past few days, the increased crime in communities, and general failures by Boards of Education will lead to woke ideas becoming more like a wake and disappear from our memories- Hope is not a strategy but clearly my prayers are directed that way
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 25, 2021 17:30:29 GMT -5
It is merely one minor pollster attempting to garner publicity. No sense drawing general conclusions about our nation's landscape. Relax. Exactly, never heard of that group before.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Aug 25, 2021 18:01:18 GMT -5
A French school called Fighting Irish. I’m so offended.
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Post by Tom on Aug 25, 2021 19:21:15 GMT -5
This sounds like another example of people telling others they should be offended.
Putting forth another stereotype, many Irish people don't take themselves too seriously. Being of Irish heritage I am related to lots of Irish people. Kind of the way the world works and the fact that I enjoy many aspects of Irish culture, I know lots of Irish people. I know exactly zero who find any Notre Dame imagery offensive
If Irish people aren't offended by the representation of Irish, I don't understand why others need to get worked up on our behalf
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Post by trimster on Aug 25, 2021 20:22:28 GMT -5
I am amazed Notre Dame's moniker and mascot have lasted this long.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 25, 2021 20:41:14 GMT -5
In Gertrude Jobes Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Symbols there is a passage about the LEPRECHAUN (with 6 other spellings listed). It says "An Irish dwarf or fairy who supposedly knows the secrets of wealth, which he. must reveal if captured. His purse never contains more than one shilling at a time. The cluricaune, Irish fairy shoemaker always seen working on one shoe at a time, is sometimes called a leprechaun.
Note, there is no reference to ND or to any unusual propensity to fighting.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 25, 2021 21:25:59 GMT -5
Maybe there are some green-clad wee folks who find the ‘fighting’ moniker and mascot offensive.
Apparently dwarves don’t like the ‘angry dwarf’ generalization so it might be something along those lines.
(Actually, ‘dwarf’ might be an offensive term nowadays now that I think of it. Maybe that’s midget. Or both.)
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 25, 2021 22:11:33 GMT -5
The protesters have stopped being offended. The Leprechaun paid them off from his pot of gold.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 26, 2021 3:41:00 GMT -5
Before opening the thread, have to admit I thought this would be about Lucky Charms cereal (or did they already get rid of him).
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 26, 2021 7:15:40 GMT -5
Nope. He is still there and they are still "magical delicious."
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2021 8:18:22 GMT -5
Maybe there are some green-clad wee folks who find the ‘fighting’ moniker and mascot offensive. Apparently dwarves don’t like the ‘angry dwarf’ generalization so it might be something along those lines. (Actually, ‘dwarf’ might be an offensive term nowadays now that I think of it. Maybe that’s midget. Or both.) Whether some people are considering it offensive or not, I think (and I'm sure the doctors among us can either confirm or correct me), dwarfism is actually a medical term Midget is not and there are some people who do find the term offensive. There are even more people who find the term "midget" offensive when used in conjunction with the word "bowling"
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 26, 2021 8:28:50 GMT -5
The folks at Notre Dame could have easily kept the term "Fighting Irish" without the little leprechaun as there was the "Fighting 69th" Irish Brigade in the Civil War and used a mascot dressed in Union Blue instead of Mr. Lucky Charms. Here's the story about the Irish Brigade but note even the heroic defenders of the Union had some negatives (i.e. not especially anti-slavery): www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/the-irish-brigade
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Post by crusader12 on Aug 26, 2021 8:31:05 GMT -5
Stop the madness or stop giving.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 26, 2021 8:37:14 GMT -5
The folks at Notre Dame could have easily kept the term "Fighting Irish" without the little leprechaun as there was the "Fighting 69th" Irish Brigade in the Civil War and used a mascot dressed in Union Blue The 69th was on ly the first regiment of gthe "Irish Brigade." As the post reference shows there were two other regiments from the start...the 88th ("Wolves of the Potomac") and the 63rd ("The Dull Boys"). That last name came from the members of the 63rd swearing off alcohol. It was part of a deal to get the blessing of the NY Ar chbishop. One of the three regiments had to abstain from. strong drink. The 69th and 88th made up for them by having a company punch that consisted of a bucket filled with 1/2 ver and 1/2 whiskey. Renacting the 88th was indeed enjoyable.
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