Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 25, 2021 12:26:26 GMT -5
The woke nonsense continues. I am of Irish heritage and, while I am not a big Notre Dame fan, I see nothing wrong with the Leprechaun character. The "Fighting Irish" is not my favorite but I won't protest. If the mascot was the "Drunken Irish", playing off a truly negative stereotype, I would be most unhappy. The Leprechaun is fine in my book.
Irishmen have been known for their fighting prowess for a very long time. Typically, it is not seen as a negative. There is a story about General Washington who was said to have ordered, "No Irishmen on guard duty tonight. There is fighting to be done in the morning."
The term “The Fighting Irish” began as a slur created by opposing schools and became the team’s official nickname in 1927 under the leadership of university president Father Matthew Walsh, who was of Irish descent, according to the school.
The part that surprises me is that our Crusader was older than the ND mascot having been adopted in 1925, 2 years before ND's mascot.
Perhaps, but I hope the tragic events of the past few days, the increased crime in communities, and general failures by Boards of Education will lead to woke ideas becoming more like a wake and disappear from our memories- Hope is not a strategy but clearly my prayers are directed that way
This sounds like another example of people telling others they should be offended.
Putting forth another stereotype, many Irish people don't take themselves too seriously. Being of Irish heritage I am related to lots of Irish people. Kind of the way the world works and the fact that I enjoy many aspects of Irish culture, I know lots of Irish people. I know exactly zero who find any Notre Dame imagery offensive
If Irish people aren't offended by the representation of Irish, I don't understand why others need to get worked up on our behalf
In Gertrude Jobes Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Symbols there is a passage about the LEPRECHAUN (with 6 other spellings listed). It says "An Irish dwarf or fairy who supposedly knows the secrets of wealth, which he. must reveal if captured. His purse never contains more than one shilling at a time. The cluricaune, Irish fairy shoemaker always seen working on one shoe at a time, is sometimes called a leprechaun.
Note, there is no reference to ND or to any unusual propensity to fighting.
The folks at Notre Dame could have easily kept the term "Fighting Irish" without the little leprechaun as there was the "Fighting 69th" Irish Brigade in the Civil War and used a mascot dressed in Union Blue instead of Mr. Lucky Charms.
Here's the story about the Irish Brigade but note even the heroic defenders of the Union had some negatives (i.e. not especially anti-slavery):
The folks at Notre Dame could have easily kept the term "Fighting Irish" without the little leprechaun as there was the "Fighting 69th" Irish Brigade in the Civil War and used a mascot dressed in Union Blue
The 69th was on ly the first regiment of gthe "Irish Brigade." As the post reference shows there were two other regiments from the start...the 88th ("Wolves of the Potomac") and the 63rd ("The Dull Boys"). That last name came from the members of the 63rd swearing off alcohol. It was part of a deal to get the blessing of the NY Ar chbishop. One of the three regiments had to abstain from. strong drink. The 69th and 88th made up for them by having a company punch that consisted of a bucket filled with 1/2 ver and 1/2 whiskey. Renacting the 88th was indeed enjoyable.