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Post by hc2020 on Aug 30, 2021 17:37:45 GMT -5
Regardless of who they hire, the most important issue to resolve is Coach Chesney’s future contract situation. Priority one must be to do everything we can to keep him in charge of the football program for the immediate future. Anything that falls short of that will be a significant setback for the athletic program IMO.
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Post by gks on Aug 30, 2021 18:10:34 GMT -5
IIRC, the vacancy announcement for the AD position was publicly posted after ADNP departed, and in reading the selection criteria, GL did not meet the criteria with respect to experience. Its likely that the same announcement, or one similar to it, will be posted again for the ADMB vacancy. I'm sorry but this is laughable. Why because Gordie doesn't have experience booking charter buses? MB leaving is good for Holy Cross.
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 30, 2021 18:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Aug 30, 2021 19:13:02 GMT -5
Regardless of who they hire, the most important issue to resolve is Coach Chesney’s future contract situation. Priority one must be to do everything we can to keep him in charge of the football program for the immediate future. Anything that falls short of that will be a significant setback for the athletic program IMO. Hopefully Chesney has input in the hire.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 30, 2021 19:21:47 GMT -5
“I see a younger version of myself in them...”
Kick rocks, guy.
Other than moving football start times back, I can’t think of anything he’s done for HC at this point (and I am one of the seemingly few who are hopeful for HCBN).
Enough with the empty suit hires. Bring in someone who actually cares about Holy Cross. It’s one thing if a coach is using HC as a stepping stone, because their performance is easily quantifiable in W’s and L’s and if they move on, it will mean they brought success to HC. The last two ADs are nothing but politicians who have simply used HC as a networking chip to move up the ladder.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 30, 2021 19:49:30 GMT -5
Blossom’s tenure was definitely underwhelming. Don’t have anything against the guy but not shedding any tears over his departure. Definitely replaceable.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 30, 2021 20:05:21 GMT -5
While the timing is awkward, I believe the BoT will decide, on Sept 9-10, on the budget for the HC athletics program for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 2022. So MB will make the pitch, along with the chair of the BoT's Athletic Committee. I believe the chair of the Athletics Committee is one of the most powerful members of the BoT, so that will help.
The chair of the BoT, and the chair of the Athletics Committee, are the ones with their foot on the throttle, or the brake, when it comes to spending on athletics. IMO, the other key members of the BoT with respect to athletics are probably Brendan Swords, probably Thomas Joyce, and Stan Grayson. I thought it interesting that MB said that men's basketball was the most important program at HC. That may have been Stan Grayson whispering in his ear. ______________
Edit to add James W. Keyes as a member of the BoT who may have a strong interest in athletics.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 30, 2021 20:29:46 GMT -5
If that is the case there is significantly more pressure to turn it around this year and maybe why he never renegotiated with Chesney- here I go speculating again
Fewer than x wins -put your own number on it- suggests time for a replacement—
I would give him another year, but if it is the most important program, wins and championships matter! The future is now—Actually the talent on the team might be closer than we think to compete for a semi-final game, the deciding factor might come down to in game decisions
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 30, 2021 20:46:55 GMT -5
LYou mention Chesney but it sounds like you are talking about mens basketball.
"I would give him another year"-- referencing Nelson or Chesney?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 30, 2021 20:47:20 GMT -5
If that is the case there is significantly more pressure to turn it around this year and maybe why he never renegotiated with Chesney- here I go speculating again Fewer than x wins -put your own number on it- suggests time for a replacement— I would give him another year, but if it is the most important program, wins and championships matter! The future is now—Actually the talent on the team might be closer than we think to compete for a semi-final game, the deciding factor might come down to in game decisions IIRC, the performance goal for football is to advance to the second or third round of the FCS playoffs. Many sports are being given a pass on the W-L record, because HC is substantially underspending on these sports compared to peers in the PL. Thus, for example, the plan is to give 4-5 full scollies to men's lacrosse. But those scollies would be ramped up. MB said more than once that the only HC sports at the NCAA cap are M/W basketball and M/W ice hockey (the women are still ramping up). You don't need to be a tea leaves reader to conclude that the new men's lacrosse coach and the new men's ice hockey coach didn't come to HC unless there was a promise of future program upgrades, and ADMB is not in a position to make such commitments without the okay of the BoT.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 30, 2021 20:55:04 GMT -5
Sorry for possible confusion —my reference was for the hoops program
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 31, 2021 6:09:34 GMT -5
If that is the case there is significantly more pressure to turn it around this year and maybe why he never renegotiated with Chesney- here I go speculating again Fewer than x wins -put your own number on it- suggests time for a replacement— I would give him another year, but if it is the most important program, wins and championships matter! The future is now—Actually the talent on the team might be closer than we think to compete for a semi-final game, the deciding factor might come down to in game decisions IIRC, the performance goal for football is to advance to the second or third round of the FCS playoffs. Many sports are being given a pass on the W-L record, because HC is substantially underspending on these sports compared to peers in the PL. Thus, for example, the plan is to give 4-5 full scollies to men's lacrosse. But those scollies would be ramped up. MB said more than once that the only HC sports at the NCAA cap are M/W basketball and M/W ice hockey (the women are still ramping up). You don't need to be a tea leaves reader to conclude that the new men's lacrosse coach and the new men's ice hockey coach didn't come to HC unless there was a promise of future program upgrades, and ADMB is not in a position to make such commitments without the okay of the BoT. Is it OK to conclude that the new men's lacrosse and hockey coaches, both being career assistants, came to HC because it was the first D-1 head coaching job they were hired for?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 31, 2021 6:14:56 GMT -5
If that is the case there is significantly more pressure to turn it around this year and maybe why he never renegotiated with Chesney- here I go speculating again Fewer than x wins -put your own number on it- suggests time for a replacement— I would give him another year, but if it is the most important program, wins and championships matter! The future is now—Actually the talent on the team might be closer than we think to compete for a semi-final game, the deciding factor might come down to in game decisions As far as talent on the team goes, there are very few (if any) very good (top 15) FCS teams lacking a very good FCS quarterback. Just look at Monmouth and Nova, for example. Fordham might be another example to look at. We don’t know if we’ve got one on the roster. So we don’t know if we’ve got the talent to get to a couple of playoff wins.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 31, 2021 6:50:50 GMT -5
As I mentioned I put this on football as we were talking about Blossom. I crossed over to Hoops and Nelson responding to PPs comment and mentioning BOT and Stan
I apologize for the confusion
Semi finals was meant for PL tournament and in game decisions was addressing adjustments made by Nelson
I would delete but too many responses- sorry
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 31, 2021 7:18:57 GMT -5
IIRC, the performance goal for football is to advance to the second or third round of the FCS playoffs. Many sports are being given a pass on the W-L record, because HC is substantially underspending on these sports compared to peers in the PL. Thus, for example, the plan is to give 4-5 full scollies to men's lacrosse. But those scollies would be ramped up. MB said more than once that the only HC sports at the NCAA cap are M/W basketball and M/W ice hockey (the women are still ramping up). You don't need to be a tea leaves reader to conclude that the new men's lacrosse coach and the new men's ice hockey coach didn't come to HC unless there was a promise of future program upgrades, and ADMB is not in a position to make such commitments without the okay of the BoT. Is it OK to conclude that the new men's lacrosse and hockey coaches, both being career assistants, came to HC because it was the first D-1 head coaching job they were hired for? You might conclude that, but you're not connecting dots if you do. E.g., the head of the BoT Athletics Committee played ice hockey for four years at HC. (He lives in MN.) ADMB announces that the men's side of the Hart rink is third-rate (my phrase), hampers recruiting, etc., and HC is going to do something about it. ADMB doesn't get ahead of the BoT on such announcements, or the BoT will show him the door. I suspect the expansion of Smith stadium, and using it for both soccer and lacrosse, is mostly being paid for by Park Smith's wine sale, the proceeds of which were intended to be used to renovate the old field house, but apparently did not go toward building The Jo. If my suspicion is correct, Park Smith agreed to those monies being used for Smith Field expansion and renovation. Of course, I will be proved wrong if Park Smith's name is listed as a major contributor when The Jo is officially dedicated at Homecoming. ___________ I watched a bit of BU @ BC in men's soccer yesterday PM, on BC's turf field. Broadcast on the ACC network. The expanded Smith Field will seat at least twice the number of spectators that can be accommodated at BC's venue. I believe BC's field is used for women's lacrosse as well.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 31, 2021 7:53:04 GMT -5
My conclusion is that a proven winner like Chesney has bargaining power, a career assistant doesn't and that is no disrespect to any assistant coach. I applaud the improvements which will be made to improve HC, not to win a bidding war for an assistant coach. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just looking at it from how I recall people progressing in their careers.
I also hope that TPTB are nimble enough to adjust available resources now that we have one winning program that has started to dredge up dormant purple pride, regardless of what sport individual Trustees played.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 31, 2021 7:56:52 GMT -5
Is it OK to conclude that the new men's lacrosse and hockey coaches, both being career assistants, came to HC because it was the first D-1 head coaching job they were hired for? You might conclude that, but you're not connecting dots if you do. E.g., the head of the BoT Athletics Committee played ice hockey for four years at HC. (He lives in MN.) ADMB announces that the men's side of the Hart rink is third-rate (my phrase), hampers recruiting, etc., and HC is going to do something about it. ADMB doesn't get ahead of the BoT on such announcements, or the BoT will show him the door. I suspect the expansion of Smith stadium, and using it for both soccer and lacrosse, is mostly being paid for by Park Smith's wine sale, the proceeds of which were intended to be used to renovate the old field house, but apparently did not go toward building The Jo. If my suspicion is correct, Park Smith agreed to those monies being used for Smith Field expansion and renovation. Of course, I will be proved wrong if Park Smith's name is listed as a major contributor when The Jo is officially dedicated at Homecoming. ___________ I watched a bit of BU @ BC in men's soccer yesterday PM, on BC's turf field. Broadcast on the ACC network. The expanded Smith Field will seat at least twice the number of spectators that can be accommodated at BC's venue. I believe BC's field is used for women's lacrosse as well. BC women's lax home stadium is supposed to be the soccer field but they do on occasion play indoors at the football facility and in the football stadium for bigger games. Both things are not able to be done at Holy Cross.
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Post by rickii on Aug 31, 2021 8:40:48 GMT -5
Regardless of who they hire, the most important issue to resolve is Coach Chesney’s future contract situation. Priority one must be to do everything we can to keep him in charge of the football program for the immediate future. Anything that falls short of that will be a significant setback for the athletic program IMO. Chesney's next job will pay him a minimum of $600,000. What's he making now ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 10:07:13 GMT -5
Regardless of who they hire, the most important issue to resolve is Coach Chesney’s future contract situation. Priority one must be to do everything we can to keep him in charge of the football program for the immediate future. Anything that falls short of that will be a significant setback for the athletic program IMO. Hopefully Chesney has input in the hire. Maybe Cheney should be the hire. Heard nothing but good before and after his hire as football coach. High energy, focused and dedicated to the athletes and the College.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 31, 2021 10:15:18 GMT -5
The ADs at Holy Cross have historically made less than the men’s basketball head coach - by a lot.
The ADs have made slightly more than the head football coaches and it is obvious that Chesney liked what he’s doing and seriously doubt he’d trade the little extra money for the headaches of 25+ programs.
His next job will pay him many, many times more than he’d ever make as AD at Holy Cross and he’d be doing what he does best.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 31, 2021 10:21:28 GMT -5
Nick Smith is the one that hired Chesney at Assumption and he did turn around many programs at Assumption which were not good. Since he has left, many of their programs have dropped off.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 31, 2021 11:28:29 GMT -5
What seems to have been the root of the alleged dispute between Chesney and Blossom; general pay scale issues or something else?
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Aug 31, 2021 11:53:30 GMT -5
Nick Smith is the one that hired Chesney at Assumption and he did turn around many programs at Assumption which were not good. Since he has left, many of their programs have dropped off. Plus.....when ADNP would not give Coach Chesney the time of day, it was Nick Smith who told Pine he should give HCBC an interview
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Post by steve81 on Aug 31, 2021 16:22:25 GMT -5
Job 1 for new AD: Get Coach Chesney's name on a new 5 year contract. 1A. Get a list of his top 5 football assistants to give competitive raises to. Lock them all up while it can still be done. Curious as why Marcus did not get this done, wish him well.
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Post by purple1 on Aug 31, 2021 17:06:43 GMT -5
It was a water and oil relationship. Hopeful new AD will address this immediately for our football program to compete at the highest level of FCS. Coach Chesney has his goals and they all point to a bright future for Holy Cross.....
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