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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 18:44:33 GMT -5
Would you like to drive a bus with screaming unvaccinated children? I don’t believe many of us would like to step up and volunteer for that assignment.
Another reason for a shortage is at least twice as many busses are needed for social distance on board,
Another point, a number of former drivers may be having day care issues for their younger children.
For many service levels jobs, that the pay is $20.00 an hour or less, daycare will take the vast majority of their paycheck. For those with a young family, it is safer to stay at home with your family, than to be constantly exposed to 30 unvaccinated kids on a bus every day.
Easy to make a statement that people rather collect than to work, particularly if you do not have friends or relatives in the same situation.
PS, If you are a retiree, why on God’s green earth would you want to expose yourself at this point in your life, to ride a circuit starting before 7:00 AM, For what? Many of the drivers from years past were driving a bus to stay active and for the socialization to get out of the house. Not prudent in this health environment.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 15, 2021 19:25:24 GMT -5
Living off the government is good work if you can get it.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 15, 2021 19:36:23 GMT -5
Technically, no one lives off the government. They live off of the taxpayers...and that includes the salary of all politicians.
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Post by bpob55 on Sept 15, 2021 19:57:18 GMT -5
All - I'm not a frequent poster, but felt it is needed after attending the Merrimack Football game at HC this past week. Quick hitlist of things that failed to meet my expectations: - Marcus Blossom was doing game day ops because the event was so understaffed. One, get rid of employees who resign. This is the only business I've ever seen where an AD leaves you high and dry and sticks around. Please leave. We'll be fine. Two, staff more people. It can create a dangerous environment being this understaffed. The entire college is struggling with understaffing. They can't find enough potential employees to even staff lower Kimball. I wouldn't put this one on ADMB.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 19:59:34 GMT -5
A few people should spend a summer or a year with JVC, maybe their perspective will change.
Must be difficult to break away from the Gold Coast, the Hamptons or the Vineyard, particularly when you have been given a silver spoon throughout your life from pre school through prep school through college.
Throughout the circle of life, Everyone lives off someone at one time or another during their life. The vast majority of employees of publicly held companies live off the profits from the institutional investors. Life requires a symbiotic relationship to succeed.
The lack of empathy and compassion that is expressed I find to be antithetical to a Jesuit educated person. Guess they must have skipped that class.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 15, 2021 20:16:36 GMT -5
The employees of companies live on (or try to live on) the salaries they receive for their work. That is not "living off someone else." It is the basis of capitalism. A key part of the parent-child relation ship is "paying it forward." Just how are people who pass up working to get welfare which in this case would be "something for nothing" (with a Covid bonus) doing that?
PS: No "silver spoon" here. Child of a single mom, had jobs (plural) since I turned 16.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 20:43:05 GMT -5
I worked for a Fortune 100 company whose one time chairman was quoted to say “You want Loyalty, Get a dog”. He did not value employees, but saw them as a drag or a liability to his bottom line with his institutional investors. To him the employees were living off his profits that he wanted to funnel back to the shareholders. Employees were seen as a necessary evil.
I question how many people “pass up working”: if the job is one with a good salary and benefits and they have been properly trained. At points in my life, I worked two and sometimes a third job. People want to work, they do not want to be exploited with a $9.00 or $10.00 an hour job, with an expectation of being always on call on a last minute decision, with little to meager benefits.
Let’s see how the concept of work will be restructured in a post pandemic world. Respect by employers to their employees often has not been shown, over the past 40 years. it has been lacking by many companies and organizations.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 15, 2021 20:55:25 GMT -5
Technically, no one lives off the government. They live off of the taxpayers...and that includes the salary of all politicians. But is that a good thing?
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Post by hc87 on Sept 15, 2021 21:13:53 GMT -5
This argument on collectivism vs. capitalism is interesting but how is it germane to our game-day experience for the Merrimack game???
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 21:30:22 GMT -5
It’s not! I just could not let a bromide, that I have been seeing and hearing for the last 40 years, past my eyes one more time, regarding why people are not working.
Pay people a decent salary, with benefits, without trying to exploit them, and they will be lining up in the employment line to be hired. With over 45 years working in several Fortune 100 multi national companies, I have seen the good, the bad and the really ugly.
Let’s get back to football.... Beat Yale!
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Post by HC92 on Sept 15, 2021 21:51:22 GMT -5
I worked for a Fortune 100 company whose one time chairman was quoted to say “You want Loyalty, Get a dog”. He did not value employees, but saw them as a drag or a liability to his bottom line with his institutional investors. To him the employees were living off his profits that he wanted to funnel back to the shareholders. Employees were seen as a necessary evil. I’m sorry you had that experience. I work at.a Fortune 100 company now. When my father died, one of the first people to reach out was the CEO. When my son had a serious illness, the CEO immediately offered his personal help with doctor referrals or anything else we might need. The company has been very good with giving me flexibility to be with my family when needed. I am someone who has occasional but not regular contact with the CEO at work and I know people who have even less contact with him than me who have experienced similar acts of kindness. Companies and their CEOs are like everyone else. There are some good ones and some bad ones.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 22:41:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately the Chairman I mentioned, took the company that had a very active community and employees engagement, to a shell of it former self by engaging in speculative acquisitions in the 1990’s..
The company, that I joined under a different chairman and board, was at one time, one of the largest diversified financial services companies, based in the US, with global holdings in real estate, financial services, satellite systems etc.Twenty three years later, those holdings were either sold or weakened, with the annual Christmas party for employees children, a distant memory. The new Chairman and the board were obsessed with the Return on Share Holder Equity. The numbers to be achieved, I questioned a Finance SVP at a staff meeting. Needless to say, I became Persona non Grata in his eyes. Above all else, “beating the street” superseded employee morale, with every fall a draconian round of layoffs to meet the end of year expectations. It was really ugly. His immediate successor was equally as bad, until the board decided enough was enough.
Unfortunately today, that company has been acquired by another, with its legacy of being a community bedrock that was a highly prestigious company that everyone wanted to work for, due to its outstanding benefits, to a memory from the past.
Now back to topic....Righting the ship from the debacle of last Saturday. Let’s focus.....Beat Yale!
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 6:42:56 GMT -5
Technically, no one lives off the government. They live off of the taxpayers...and that includes the salary of all politicians. But is that a good thing? IMHO, no, it is not. But it is important to remember whare the money comes from.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 6:47:45 GMT -5
It’s not! I just could not let a bromide, that I have been seeing and hearing for the last 40 years, past my eyes one more time, regarding why people are not working. Let’s get back to football.... Beat Yale! The government has not been giving "bonuses" to the unemployed for 40 years as they have done recently; Where did you hear they did 40 years ago? If you are conflating unemployment insurance that every worker pays forvwhen they lose a job with the current situation that is in error, IMHO Studies of the current situation show that high benefits for not working have discouraged people from taking available jobs. My years of working inner-city Paterson support that belief. I hope stopping the inflated benefits encourages people to take some of the many open jobs available. Beat Yale.
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Post by alum on Sept 16, 2021 7:40:11 GMT -5
Ok, so I see we have gone down a rabbit hole. Quickly 1. It is certainly not clear that the enhanced unemployment benefits is the largest factor in the unwillingness of people to return to work. It is part of it but there are other factors as well. There has been plenty of reporting on this topic online. See, e.g. www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/early-end-to-federal-unemployment-pay-in-26-states-not-getting-people-to-work.html. 2. I think affordable child care is a factor for people who would normally be filling lower paying jobs. Plenty of poor people rely on grandparents and other relatives to do child care. If they are no longer available, it is going to keep people out of work. Crucis makes the same points esp. about school bus drivers. 3. One of the factors in income inequality has been the decline of private sector unions in recent decades although membership actually went up by a bit last year. usafacts.org/articles/labor-union-membership/#:~:text=While%20private%2Dsector%20union%20membership,nearly%20every%20year%20since%201983. I think we have seen a workers' rights push (think $15 min wage protests) over the past few years. Perhaps there is a little bit of sitting out to push wages up going on. It will take some time to understand it. 3. Free school meal for all aren't just in 92's home town. That is national policy. www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/free-school-meals-covid/I have an interest in food insecurity from years serving on the board of a group which ran a food pantry so I know that in poor cities, free lunch regardless of need has been going on for a while. The logic, as I understand it, is that it causes kids who might be embarassed to take advantage of the program and, with regard to breakfast, gives the others something to do while those kids are eating. I think it is inefficient to do it nationally and I don't think it will be permanent. SNAP benefits (food stamps) are the greatest safety net of all. They feed people and ensure that grocery stores stay open in poor neighborhoods in cities and in rural America. I have no problem with enhanced benefits, especially for families with kids. 4 Whenever I see someone use the word "welfare" I cringe. Welfare is in the eye of the beholder. Some might think that TANF or SNAP benefits are welfare, but the benefits from those programs pale against what a upper middle class family gets from Medicaid planning which allows them to get nursing home care on the public dime. I would also note that no unemployed18 year old can get a signature loan for anything other than college. That's welfare, too. Hopefully, some good things come out of the pandemic. One ought to be a greater appreciation of the value of all work. A second ought to be a focus on relieving child poverty. A third can be smarter workplaces for all. A fourth, and I am sure that others could name more, will be better preparation for the next disaster. CRUSH YALE.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 16, 2021 8:33:10 GMT -5
I’m all for paying for meals for any child in our schools who can’t afford it. That has been going on for years. If that system isn’t working as well as it could, let’s tweak it. How we got to the point where the gov’t decided in the middle of a pandemic and rapidly escalating debt to give free breakfast and lunch to every student in the country is beyond me.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 8:58:38 GMT -5
Ok, so I see we have gone down a rabbit hole. Quickly 1. It is certainly not clear that the enhanced unemployment benefits is the largest factor in the unwillingness of people to return to work. It is part of it but there are other factors as well. There has been plenty of reporting on this topic online. See, e.g. www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/early-end-to-federal-unemployment-pay-in-26-states-not-getting-people-to-work.html. Did someone say it was the "largest" or only factor? Please don't argue against points that no one made. It is, however, a factor and a new one on the scene.2. I think affordable child care is a factor for people who would normally be filling lower paying jobs. Plenty of poor people rely on grandparents and other relatives to do child care. If they are no longer available, it is going to keep people out of work. Crucis makes the same points esp. about school bus drivers. Agreed.3. One of the factors in income inequality has been the decline of private sector unions in recent decades although membership actually went up by a bit last year. Agreed.usafacts.org/articles/labor-union-membership/#:~:text=While%20private%2Dsector%20union%20membership,nearly%20every%20year%20since%201983. I think we have seen a workers' rights push (think $15 min wage protests) over the past few years. Perhaps there is a little bit of sitting out to push wages up going on. It will take some time to understand it. 3. Free school meal for all aren't just in 92's home town. That is national policy. www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/free-school-meals-covid/I have an interest in food insecurity from years serving on the board of a group which ran a food pantry so I know that in poor cities, free lunch regardless of need has been going on for a while. The logic, as I understand it, is that it causes kids who might be embarassed to take advantage of the program and, with regard to breakfast, gives the others something to do while those kids are eating. I think it is inefficient to do it nationally and I don't think it will be permanent. SNAP benefits (food stamps) are the greatest safety net of all. They feed people and ensure that grocery stores stay open in poor neighborhoods in cities and in rural America. I have no problem with enhanced benefits, especially for families with kids. Do you assume that the "enhanced benefits" will be used for kids? My experience says that, sadly, in to many cases that will not happen. Free or reduced lunch at school has long been needed by many families, even in otherwise affluent school districts. 4 Whenever I see someone use the word "welfare" I cringe. Welfare is in the eye of the beholder. Some might think that TANF or SNAP benefits are welfare, but the benefits from those programs pale against what a upper middle class family gets from Medicaid planning which allows them to get nursing home care on the public dime. I would also note that no unemployed18 year old can get a signature loan for anything other than college. That's welfare, too. Hopefully, some good things come out of the pandemic. One ought to be a greater appreciation of the value of all work. A second ought to be a focus on relieving child poverty. A third can be smarter workplaces for all. A fourth, and I am sure that others could name more, will be better preparation for the next disaster. All of your points in this last paragraph are excellent.CRUSH YALE.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 16, 2021 9:09:55 GMT -5
I make a motion that we not speak about politics, government, political parties, politicians, judges, justices, governmental policies, military actions or inactions or anything else not directly and specifically about sports.
After all, just look above: Crossports is "The Independent Voice of Crusader Sports - Serving CRUSADER NATION."
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 9:20:49 GMT -5
A reasonable request with which I will comply. Be well. BEAT YALE!
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Post by Tom on Sept 16, 2021 9:38:12 GMT -5
Would you like to drive a bus with screaming unvaccinated children? I don’t believe many of us would like to step up and volunteer for that assignment. Another reason for a shortage is at least twice as many busses are needed for social distance on board, Another point, a number of former drivers may be having day care issues for their younger children. For many service levels jobs, that the pay is $20.00 an hour or less, daycare will take the vast majority of their paycheck. For those with a young family, it is safer to stay at home with your family, than to be constantly exposed to 30 unvaccinated kids on a bus every day. Easy to make a statement that people rather collect than to work, particularly if you do not have friends or relatives in the same situation. PS, If you are a retiree, why on God’s green earth would you want to expose yourself at this point in your life, to ride a circuit starting before 7:00 AM, For what? Many of the drivers from years past were driving a bus to stay active and for the socialization to get out of the house. Not prudent in this health environment. If I have been vaccinated and the vaccines are as effective as being reported, why should I care if I'm in the proximity of unvaccinated kids? Especially since they're all supposed to be masked. The screaming aspect is another story ------ Some daycares have closed. Some are at reduced capacity because they can't get workers. At least in MA, I do not think there are any COVID related restrictions on number of kids a day care can have. Yup - there are people who can't work because of daycare issues. I would expect that a large percentage of those people aren't collecting unemployment because they had the same issues before COVID. There are some people who got stuck by reduced supply of daycare. There are some who had babies during the pandemic, but I think a large percentage of the people who can't work because of daycare issues had those same issues before COVID. ---------------------- Many of the teachers I know (once again mostly in MA) were in the schools in late August returning their classrooms from the socially distant, less than 100 percent capacity arrangement back to their pre-COVID arrangement. Social distancing doesn't seem to be a requirement in many schools. Although I have no information on the topic, I'd be surprised if school districts had distancing requirements on school buses, but not in the clsassrooms
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 16, 2021 9:38:14 GMT -5
I make a motion that we not speak about politics, government, political parties, politicians, judges, justices, governmental policies, military actions or inactions or anything else not directly and specifically about sports. After all, just look above: Crossports is " The Independent Voice of Crusader Sports - Serving CRUSADER NATION." I second the motion. All those opposed raise your hands. Seeing none the motion is passed.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 16, 2021 9:56:37 GMT -5
-“Point of parliamentary procedure” -“Don’t screw around they’re serious this time” -“Take it easy I’m in Pre-Law man” -“I thought you were Pre-Med” -“What’s the difference?”
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 16, 2021 10:05:06 GMT -5
It is always good to see a quote from Animal House. Beat Yale!
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 16, 2021 11:59:32 GMT -5
If I have been vaccinated and the vaccines are as effective as being reported, why should I care if I'm in the proximity of unvaccinated kids? Especially since they're all supposed to be masked. The screaming aspect is another story ------ Because, we now know that vaccinated individuals can become infected, have no symptoms of illness, and then act as carriers who infect others. This is a public health concern, not necessarily a personal concern for you, although rarely, infected individuals can become ill. The vaccine is very good, but not 100%!
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Post by hcpride on Sept 16, 2021 13:25:17 GMT -5
If I have been vaccinated and the vaccines are as effective as being reported, why should I care if I'm in the proximity of unvaccinated kids? Especially since they're all supposed to be masked. The screaming aspect is another story ------ Because, we now know that vaccinated individuals can become infected, have no symptoms of illness, and then act as carriers who infect others. This is a public health concern, not necessarily a personal concern for you, although rarely, infected individuals can become ill. The vaccine is very good, but not 100%!Well, we also now know vaccinated people can infect vaccinated people (especially as the vaccinations wane) and unvaccinated people. Those vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can become infected, have no symptoms of illness, and then act as carriers who infect others. The vaccine is not 100%. We have to protect the vaccinated from the vaccinated! And the unvaccinated from the vaccinated! And the vaccinated from the unvaccinated! As far as screaming (unvaccinated and otherwise) kiddies go I’d recommend ear plugs of some sort. And N95’s + face coverings for the worst offenders
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