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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 16, 2021 2:43:45 GMT -5
I hear Bucknell is actively seeking a message board antagonist......
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Post by thecrossisback on Sept 16, 2021 7:50:44 GMT -5
I hear Bucknell is actively seeking a message board antagonist...... I know but the wine and cheese crowd is just not the same.
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Post by hceconhist on Sept 17, 2021 20:01:51 GMT -5
Rutgers' situation, in this case due to a situation beyond its control; can only be worse after the full effects of the pandemic play out. Those who want us in a higher profile conference (none are on the horizon, hockey only, perhaps, but a longshot) have to understand the resources it takes to make a jump. Clearly Rutgers did not. I don't particularly agree with the first paragraph. That said, you should frame the second paragraph, as it is a useful response to frequent posts on this board. And that's not even touching the issue of admissions...
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Post by timholycross on Sept 17, 2021 20:43:34 GMT -5
The paragraph should probably have read:
"Rutgers terrible financial situation will only be worse once the full effects of the pandemic play out"
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 7, 2022 15:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jul 7, 2022 16:44:44 GMT -5
I laughed and laughed when the B1G added Rutgers to capture the NY media market. No one cares.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2022 18:02:16 GMT -5
HC FB is 11-8 and 12-9-2 all time against Rutgers and Temple. Let's lighten their wallets and give them a whooping like we did to UConn last year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 8, 2022 6:31:57 GMT -5
I laughed and laughed when the B1G added Rutgers to capture the NY media market. No one cares. That is probably true (replacing "no one" with few) and should be a caution to those who feel having good opponents will bring in the fans. Rutgers plays some solid teams at home but it has not created greater team following (beyond their longtime fan base - mostly alums). It is the home team that needs a fan base, not the visitors. As Phil Silvers sang "Nobody ever died for dear old Rutgers." That seems to still be true and we NJ taxpayers get to foot the bill.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2022 9:45:18 GMT -5
It's an intricate art to hire a more skilled coach, get and retain better recruits, market and promote better to increase fans, work the free media to get better coverage, schedule higher rated teams. Rinse and repeat.
Or just dump a wheelbarrow of taxpayer cash and move on to your next gig.
If Kit is committed to stay and turn HC athletics around the right (hard) way he's got a heck of an opportunity.
Or he can just take credit for Coach Chesney's hard work in FB and maintain the status quo in the other sports.
I don't feel critical of Kit either way. What Coach Chesney has done is almost miraculous.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 8, 2022 9:54:30 GMT -5
I think Rutgers (northern NJ, right?) in the NY metro area with lots of pro teams (Giants/Jets/Knicks/Nets/Rangers/Islanders, etc., etc.) will always have an uphill battle for fans. Not provable by me but my observation having lived in various places around the Northeast and Midwest is in large metro areas where there are major league pro teams, the local college teams don't have a strong fan base, except among the alums.
Successful college teams? Syracuse (Syracuse University), Columbus, OH (OSU). Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Small fan bases? Anywhere near NYC, Boston, Chicago. Possible exception is L.A. for UCLA, USC. Those exception mostly prove the rule.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 8, 2022 10:59:05 GMT -5
Rutgers’ hoops draws well
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 8, 2022 11:24:43 GMT -5
Tangentially, how is St. John’s attendance of late? They were (still are?) the largest Catholic university in the country.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 8, 2022 11:33:38 GMT -5
I think Rutgers (northern NJ, right?) NOT REALLY IT IS IN WEST-CENTRAL NJ, CLOSER TO PHILLY.in the NY metro area with lots of pro teams (Giants/Jets/Knicks/Nets/Rangers/Islanders, etc., etc.) will always have an uphill battle for fans. Not provable by me but my observation having lived in various places around the Northeast and Midwest is in large metro areas where there are major league pro teams, the local college teams don't have a strong fan base, except among the alums. Successful college teams? Syracuse (Syracuse University), Columbus, OH (OSU). Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Small fan bases? Anywhere near NYC, Boston, Chicago. Possible exception is L.A. for UCLA, USC. Those exception mostly prove the rule.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 8, 2022 12:14:24 GMT -5
SHI Stadium appears to be in New Brunswick which is south/southwest of Newark and due west of the southern tip of Staten Island. While that might qualify as "central NJ," that's in the eye of the beholder and IMHO still in metro NY area.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 8, 2022 12:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 8, 2022 12:49:07 GMT -5
I should correct my prior post inquiring about St. John's "attendance" and should have written "enrollment." I mean, who knows how many kids actually attend class on any given day, right?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2022 13:30:31 GMT -5
BC has decent FB attendance for being up against four pro teams at various parts of their schedule. I have anecdotal evidence that college students from other Boston area colleges without football or without big time football are getting together with BC students they know and attending the games and the pre and post game parties.
It gives them a chance to sample one aspect of a college experience while still being able to take the course of study they chose at their fine institutions.
Listening to sports radio over the years, you get the feeling that BC sports aren't held in high regard by many adult non-BC alumni sports fans, but perhaps the students at other schools appreciate having big time football and the concurrent party atmosphere available.
HC FB isn't big time, but it is much more successful than BC FB lately. With beer sales and the video board, we are tip toeing back into the entertainment business. Chesney and PVR's attempts at improving town and gown relations can only help add to the attraction of attending a game at Fitton or Polar.
I generally haven't thought it's fair or collegial, but perhaps it's time to say to schools with small capacity stadiums: "two games in Worcester, one at your place" to maximize the Chesney era. And/or offer UMass a reasonable guarantee to get on the Mass Pike East.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 8, 2022 17:38:52 GMT -5
SHI Stadium appears to be in New Brunswick which is south/southwest of Newark and due west of the southern tip of Staten Island. While that might qualify as "central NJ," that's in the eye of the beholder and IMHO still in metro NY area. That's a New York state of mind. Rutgers is closer to PA than it is to NY.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 8, 2022 18:23:14 GMT -5
I think Rutgers (northern NJ, right?) in the NY metro area with lots of pro teams (Giants/Jets/Knicks/Nets/Rangers/Islanders, etc., etc.) will always have an uphill battle for fans. Not provable by me but my observation having lived in various places around the Northeast and Midwest is in large metro areas where there are major league pro teams, the local college teams don't have a strong fan base, except among the alums. Successful college teams? Syracuse (Syracuse University), Columbus, OH (OSU). Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Small fan bases? Anywhere near NYC, Boston, Chicago. Possible exception is L.A. for UCLA, USC. Those exception mostly prove the rule. UCLA in 2019 and 2021 averaged as much at home as BC's capacity, approximately. But 40K in the 90+K Rose Bowl is a bad look.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 8, 2022 18:23:49 GMT -5
Setting aside the location, what DMA is Rutgers in? If you turn on a tv there to one of the mainstream networks from where does the broadcast originate?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 8, 2022 21:22:03 GMT -5
NYC
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Post by timholycross on Jul 8, 2022 21:30:21 GMT -5
Middlesex County (Rutgers)- NYC Mercer County (Princeton) - Philly
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 9, 2022 0:15:32 GMT -5
BC has decent FB attendance for being up against four pro teams at various parts of their schedule. I have anecdotal evidence that college students from other Boston area colleges without football or without big time football are getting together with BC students they know and attending the games and the pre and post game parties. It gives them a chance to sample one aspect of a college experience while still being able to take the course of study they chose at their fine institutions. Listening to sports radio over the years, you get the feeling that BC sports aren't held in high regard by many adult non-BC alumni sports fans, but perhaps the students at other schools appreciate having big time football and the concurrent party atmosphere available. HC FB isn't big time, but it is much more successful than BC FB lately. With beer sales and the video board, we are tip toeing back into the entertainment business. Chesney and PVR's attempts at improving town and gown relations can only help add to the attraction of attending a game at Fitton or Polar. I generally haven't thought it's fair or collegial, but perhaps it's time to say to schools with small capacity stadiums: "two games in Worcester, one at your place" to maximize the Chesney era. And/or offer UMass a reasonable guarantee to get on the Mass Pike East. BC football has qualified for a bowl game every year besides 2016. The players opted out in 2020 but were eligible. BC's game against Missouri had better attendance than Holy Cross had from every home game combined last season. 🙃 UMass isn't coming to Holy Cross to play and have a locker room in a tent.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 9, 2022 3:33:39 GMT -5
UMass would have to pay tolls on the Pike, unless they took Rte. 9 all the way, but there are many other advantages to playing in Worcester instead of flying across the country to get a big can of whoopa$$ handed to them.
They could compete, the team and marching band could build the UMass brand in their core market of MA and their alumni base could get to the game easily.
I don't think decisions are made based on the couple of hours or so spent in a locker room. Money is a bigger factor and that game at Fitton has a good chance of drawing more than at McGuirk. The game vs Maine in Amherst last season only drew 5331.
The Athletic Dept. should consider investing in a reasonable guarantee the same way they invested in a winning home field bid in the FCS playoffs.
Plus the new UMass coach is from Spencer. Maybe we can have the Holy Cross alumni at Spencer Abbey send Coach Brown some preserves.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 9, 2022 4:30:28 GMT -5
BC has decent FB attendance for being up against four pro teams at various parts of their schedule. I have anecdotal evidence that college students from other Boston area colleges without football or without big time football are getting together with BC students they know and attending the games and the pre and post game parties. It gives them a chance to sample one aspect of a college experience while still being able to take the course of study they chose at their fine institutions. Listening to sports radio over the years, you get the feeling that BC sports aren't held in high regard by many adult non-BC alumni sports fans, but perhaps the students at other schools appreciate having big time football and the concurrent party atmosphere available. HC FB isn't big time, but it is much more successful than BC FB lately. With beer sales and the video board, we are tip toeing back into the entertainment business. Chesney and PVR's attempts at improving town and gown relations can only help add to the attraction of attending a game at Fitton or Polar. I generally haven't thought it's fair or collegial, but perhaps it's time to say to schools with small capacity stadiums: "two games in Worcester, one at your place" to maximize the Chesney era. And/or offer UMass a reasonable guarantee to get on the Mass Pike East. UMass isn't coming to Holy Cross to play and have a locker room in a tent. Plus, their program desperately needs some W's.....
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