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Post by Sader Fan on Sept 27, 2021 19:52:03 GMT -5
I subscribe to a google service that sends me articles about HC. This one was sent to me today. Robert Hill: A tainted trio from Holy Cross which appeared in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. I figured I would share it FYI.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 27, 2021 20:07:10 GMT -5
Nothing linked Sader Fan. Least not that I can see.
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Post by Ray on Sept 27, 2021 20:21:42 GMT -5
Click on the article title, sader1970. The title as written in the post is a link.
What a bizarre article.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 27, 2021 20:51:33 GMT -5
Bizarre is a kind description of that particular piece of "writing." Also, the accusations from Ms Hill (and much of her story) are nowhere as clear as he says.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 27, 2021 21:01:02 GMT -5
Click on the article title, sader1970. The title as written in the post is a link. What a bizarre article. You’re not kidding. Very bizarre.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2021 21:30:51 GMT -5
Any chance the author Robert Hill is related to Anita Hill?
It gives a chance to rip into Justice Thomas, but while focusing on his alma mater it seems less like a vendetta piece. It certainly reads like an ax to grind
------------- In an excessive case of glass is half full. . . some editor in Pittsburgh thinks his readers actually care enough about HC to publish the article
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 27, 2021 22:00:42 GMT -5
I also question the personal relationship that Robert Hill has had with William King which seems to be the real geniuses for writing the article with a personal axe to grind against Rev King. A full disclosure should have been stated by the editor who allowed the article to be published.
Other than sharing the same surname, it does not appear that Robert and Anita are closely related. Robert Hill is 73 years old, originally from upstate NY in the Syracuse region. Anita Hill is 65, originally from Lone Tree Oklahoma.
Making the subsequent linkage to Patrick Healy and Clarence Thomas based on their Alma Mater is incongruous to readers including me. Maybe he had a relative who applied to HC and was not accepted, subsequently this unworthy diatribe directed at Alma Mater.
Robert Hill was the Vice Chancellor for Public Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, retiring in 2013. He is a graduate of Manhattan Community College, The Stern School at NYU, with a Masters in Management from Manhattan College.
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 27, 2021 22:21:40 GMT -5
Not interested in having an adult beverage with this crank.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 28, 2021 5:48:07 GMT -5
I share that sentiment.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2021 7:05:22 GMT -5
I originally saw this thread on my iPhone and on that device, the link wasn't highlighted. I'm not even sure what one would say but this is indeed perplexing as to what the author's point was other than to take potshots at 3 totally separate black Holy Cross alums across over 100 years. Perhaps the intent is to tell otherwise unknowing folks that Holy Cross generates terrible people?
Perhaps the comments are worth sharing:
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2021 10:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 28, 2021 11:38:33 GMT -5
I give up. I tried to say something in support of a fellow HC alum, but it looks like I got us headed down the wrong path, So I'll apologize and delete my posts on this subject
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 28, 2021 11:47:56 GMT -5
Has any other decent, honest, and honorable man had to endure the level of disgusting attacks that have been made against Justice Thomas? T Since this seems to have become political Yes Ruth Bader Ginsburg (woman) Nancy Pelosi (woman) Pres. Joe Biden Didn't seem political to me until this post.
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 28, 2021 12:01:42 GMT -5
From the article, I had never heard this before:
"the African American enslaved Healy children inherited the estate, riches and slaves of their white father. With his share of the fortune that was built on slavery, Patrick Healy sold his inherited slaves and donated funds to Holy Cross — founded in 1843 — to become the largest donor to a fund for Fenwick Hall, a campus building that had been damaged by fire."
Is it true?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2021 12:23:20 GMT -5
From the article, I had never heard this before:
"the African American enslaved Healy children inherited the estate, riches and slaves of their white father. With his share of the fortune that was built on slavery, Patrick Healy sold his inherited slaves and donated funds to Holy Cross — founded in 1843 — to become the largest donor to a fund for Fenwick Hall, a campus building that had been damaged by fire." Is it true? See: www.holycross.edu/sites/default/files/files/mulledy-healy/mulledycommitteereportfinal.pdf
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 28, 2021 12:42:14 GMT -5
If someone else own the enslaved persons and only after the sale gave the money to HC, would not that be INDIRECT benefit to the college and not, as the author states, direct benefit?
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 28, 2021 12:42:34 GMT -5
Nice that he could have all of his friends together for the event.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 28, 2021 13:40:20 GMT -5
"longtime lady?".....is it 1977 again? Can we still join the Big East???
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2021 15:13:02 GMT -5
1.) The Healy children were not enslaved. They did not become emancipated on the death of their father. 2.) The father's estate was valued at $50,000, a substantial sum in those days to be sure, but $1,750,000 in current $ according to an on-line inflation calculator. 3.) That Patrick Healy, with a gift of $2,300, was the rebuilding Fenwick campaign's largest donor can be sourced to Fr. K.'s history of Holy Cross.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2021 23:47:37 GMT -5
Robert Hill must think that guilt by association is an acceptable tactic. Surprised he was a professional communicator.
And "self loathing"? That's as bad a stereotype as Don Imus calling the Rutgers WBB players "nappy headed hos"
Any 178 year old institution will have episodes that could be criticized today. But HC is working hard in the present and doing a good job.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 29, 2021 6:35:02 GMT -5
It’s about time some rich HC donor gives a building named along the lines of “The Clarence Thomas-Anthony Fauci Public Policy Center”.
I realize either one (or both) of these fellas may be disliked by alums and society writ large but it would certainly send many positive messages regarding the achievements of two of our most prominent grads. And the message we are a liberal (in the old fashioned sense) school.
(No doubt folks like the author would do the usual foot-stomping outrage dance - reason enough to start construction.)
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Post by Tom on Sept 29, 2021 7:26:38 GMT -5
It’s about time some rich HC donor gives a building named along the lines of “The Clarence Thomas-Anthony Fauci Public Policy Center”. You're too old fashioned. In the 21st century rich donors put their own name on buildings, not the names of other people with notable achievements. I think Stein Hall (way back in the 20th century) was the last building not named after a rich donor
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 29, 2021 7:28:19 GMT -5
It’s about time some rich HC donor gives a building named along the lines of “The Clarence Thomas-Anthony Fauci Public Policy Center”. I realize either one (or both) of these fellas may be disliked by alums and society writ large but it would certainly send many positive messages regarding the achievements of two of our most prominent grads. And the message we are a liberal (in the old fashioned sense) school. (No doubt folks like the author would do the usual foot-stomping outrage dance - reason enough to start construction.) It would be a terrible mistake to link these two. Dr. F. has never been accused of sexual harassment. In addition, many people of all colors are appalled by his judicial opinions and court demeanor.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 29, 2021 7:38:52 GMT -5
Are you now that an unproven accusation is the same as guilty? Let's remember that Dr F has been the. victim of some really "wacko" accusations himself.
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Post by alum on Sept 29, 2021 8:13:31 GMT -5
If someone else own the enslaved persons and only after the sale gave the money to HC, would not that be INDIRECT benefit to the college and not, as the author states, direct benefit? You are probably right, but does it make it better? Flash forward to today. Should the College accept a gift of shares of stock of a porn website (legal but morally objectionable?) What if the donor sold the shares and then gave the proceeds telling the college the origin of the funds? What if the donor sold the shares and gave the proceeds without telling the college the source? What if ten years later the college learns of the source of the funds? Should it act then? No one said this stuff was easy.
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