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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2021 19:37:58 GMT -5
...and now we have a potential paper products shortage looming again Oh s---
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2021 20:07:51 GMT -5
funny, i was accused of not providing facts while providing a link to an *actual grant itself* funded by the niaid for gain of function research in bats at the wuhan lab... what could be more factual?!? between that and the actual open access, peer-reviewed paper linked below directly citing the niaid funding for the research, there is no debate on this issue. it is shocking that anyone can support this person after blatantly lying before congress and to the world by extension. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5708621/and mm67, you are the only poster in this thread to introduce anything remotely political into the discussion. i am not a political person, have no loyalty to any political party, and stopped watching the poison of mainstream news many years ago. confession by projection? i was responding to the question as to why many scientists and clinicians are critical of fauci's handling of the covid pandemic. it is a sad state of affairs when ideology and blind allegiance trumps desire for truth... particularly when the truth is as irrefutable as it is in this instance. Dadominate, sorry to gang up on you. But, isn't classifying the main stream news as poison a political position? Isn't that similar to "the mainstream media is the enemy of the people" statement heard at right wing political rallies?
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Post by td128 on Oct 20, 2023 5:15:49 GMT -5
Following up on the comments from just a few weeks back and given the seriousness of the issues addressed here which impact us all within the Holy Cross community far and wide, I welcome sharing this recent release from the World Council for Health: worldcouncilforhealth.org/about/ There seems to be rather widely acknowledged global confirmation of the data within the release below dated October 11th. I will defer to those with professional experience or informed opinions to weigh in with their thoughts. Given the kindred spirits within this online community I certainly also appreciate hearing from one and all. Thank you. worldcouncilforhealth.substack.com/p/urgent-expert-hearing
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Post by mm67 on Oct 20, 2023 6:50:24 GMT -5
World Council of Health is a pseudo- medical organization dedicated to spreading misinformation about covid vaccines and promoting false Covid treatments. Check it out. I got the latest booster as per my Columbia-Pres MD recommendation. Hope all are staying safe & healthy whatever your predisposition. Peace
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Post by hcbando on Oct 20, 2023 6:59:45 GMT -5
Following up on the comments from just a few weeks back and given the seriousness of the issues addressed here which impact us all within the Holy Cross community far and wide, I welcome sharing this recent release from the World Council for Health: worldcouncilforhealth.org/about/ There seems to be rather widely acknowledged global confirmation of the data within the release below dated October 11th. I will defer to those with professional experience or informed opinions to weigh in with their thoughts. Given the kindred spirits within this online community I certainly also appreciate hearing from one and all. Thank you. worldcouncilforhealth.substack.com/p/urgent-expert-hearing Looking past the fact that the organization has direct links to 5G conspiracy theories as well as links to RFK, Jr. Organizations. There a few issues here. First of all, for anyone looking at the website, the physician that's listed as a DO is not an American osteopathic physician. As a DO, there is a common misconception with British osteopaths. Not the same thing as a fully licensed position hearing this country. Going to the source material of the claim, huge assumptions are being made. healthfeedback.org/claimreview/claim-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-dna-contaminants-study-unknown-provenance-no-evidence-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna-people/Much better detail from a reputable source with known studies and information that has been around with the polio vaccine.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 20, 2023 13:36:36 GMT -5
World Council of Health is a pseudo- medical organization dedicated to spreading misinformation about covid vaccines and promoting false Covid treatments. Check it out. I got the latest booster as per my Columbia-Pres MD recommendation. Hope all are staying safe & healthy whatever your predisposition. Peace If you don't like that outlet, you can just go to the source itself (Pfizer) -- www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-amends-us-government-paxlovid-supply-agreement-andAuthorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), particularly within the first week following vaccination.
The last line of the Pfizer press release: "COMIRNATY may not protect all vaccine recipients"
So get your myocarditis side effect without any guaranteed COVID protection.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 20, 2023 13:48:24 GMT -5
World Council of Health is a pseudo- medical organization dedicated to spreading misinformation about covid vaccines and promoting false Covid treatments. Check it out. I got the latest booster as per my Columbia-Pres MD recommendation. Hope all are staying safe & healthy whatever your predisposition. Peace If you don't like that outlet, you can just go to the source itself (Pfizer) -- www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-amends-us-government-paxlovid-supply-agreement-andAuthorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), particularly within the first week following vaccination.
The last line of the Pfizer press release: "COMIRNATY may not protect all vaccine recipients"
So get your myocarditis side effect without any guaranteed COVID protection. I should have had my world class cardiologist from NY-Presbyterian consult you to educate him. Let me explain to you. The vaccine provides robust protection from disease(serious illness) more than infection. Tired of the politically motivated misapprehension. Don't get vaccinated but stay safe & healthy. My prayers will be your vaccine. Peace
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Post by alum on Oct 20, 2023 13:56:22 GMT -5
World Council of Health is a pseudo- medical organization dedicated to spreading misinformation about covid vaccines and promoting false Covid treatments. Check it out. I got the latest booster as per my Columbia-Pres MD recommendation. Hope all are staying safe & healthy whatever your predisposition. Peace If you don't like that outlet, you can just go to the source itself (Pfizer) -- www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-amends-us-government-paxlovid-supply-agreement-andAuthorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), particularly within the first week following vaccination.
The last line of the Pfizer press release: "COMIRNATY may not protect all vaccine recipients"
So get your myocarditis side effect without any guaranteed COVID protection. 1. Condoms aren't 100% effective either. You should still use them. 2. Today's quackery posted above was related to the Covid vaccine allegedly causing cancer, not myocarditis. Keep up!!! 3. That there is a small risk of myocarditis in young people is well known as is the fact that millions more people would have died without the vaccine. You know what is really hideous--the number of people out there discouraging people from getting vaccinated while having been vaccinated themselves.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 20, 2023 14:13:45 GMT -5
Actually, the risk of myocarditis resulting from an MRNA covid vaccination is very rare. In fact the risk of myocarditis from a covid infection is 7X greater than from an MRNA covid vaccination. Facts are stubborn. One needs to stop misleading the public with half-truths. If one is predisposed to oppose MRNA vaccinations or any vaccinations OK as long as one does not spread their disease to others. But, please tell the truth & the WHOLE TRUTH. I'm old & tired of all this foolishness. My whole life back to the '40's there have been opponents of vaccinations. It is tiresome. Peace & love to all & stay safe & healthy. AMEN! PS I know some world class physicians for those seeking an MD in NYC.
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Post by Tom on Oct 20, 2023 14:32:47 GMT -5
I took a wild approach. I had a serious conversation about this with my primary care physician and took an approach that was appropriate for me and my own health condition
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Post by td128 on Oct 22, 2023 9:50:28 GMT -5
ICYMI . . .for those interested in the topic of public health and as a follow up to the specific points raised above re the Pfizer and Moderna products, I welcome sharing this 28-minute discussion among two members of the European Parliament and an individual named Willem Engel, a human rights activist who is unabashedly critical of the products disseminated by these pharma companies. They discuss the safety, effectiveness and IMO most importantly whether or not the products tested by governmental health agencies were/are in fact the products actually distributed to the public. This part of the discussion ventures into the whole aspect of the integrity of the entire process.
The discussion is hosted by a Dutch-based organization known as Forum for Democracy International: fvdinternational.com/about
The EMA referenced is the European Medicines Agency: www.ema.europa.eu/en, an agency of the European Union in charge of the evaluation and supervision of pharmaceutical products.
I found the exchange to be riveting and knowing the seriousness of what is at hand, think/hope others might as well.
Navigate accordingly.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 22, 2023 11:44:34 GMT -5
Putting my own stake in the ground here based solely on my own experience:
I personally have gotten 7 (count 'em, 7) Moderna Covid vaccinations. Any reaction, perhaps once or twice, was a slightly sore injection spot for a day or two. I have not gotten Covid - not even a slight case of it despite having been in locations where others have had it.
The wife has gotten 7 Pfizer vaccinations and did catch a very minor case of Covid. Her reactions were roughly the same as mine. Obviously, she was one of the ones that would have exposed me to Covid. So, I like to tell her that she got the "watered down" (lower dose) vaccination, while mine was "the real one."
If you haven't figured out already, both of us are in our 70's and I am diabetic. "Old" and diabetic makes me more vulnerable. Haven't gotten it. Can't prove a negative but would be willing to bet if I had not been vaccinated, I would have caught it. And, yes, perhaps after posting this, karma will hit me with a case of it.
You can have all your academic arguments if you wish but from my experience, I'm going with the vaccinations along with my flu shots.
P.S. I happen to trust our governmental agencies if not "big pharma" who I recognize as profit-driven. However, despite my advanced age, I happen to believe that an organization can simultaneously seek profits while also looking to do good. Sure, naive, right?
Carry on. I know you will.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 23, 2023 8:08:44 GMT -5
I had a Lyft ride last Friday, Greater Boston. The driver was 70, retired, had grown up in Malden, and had played baseball in college. Didn't ask where. The conversation drifted into the major changes in youth sports over the decades; the great decline in baseball, the rise of soccer, and the more recent rise of lacrosse. And girls now getting to play. His daughter had asked whether he was going to his granddaughter's soccer games on Saturday, and he said he wasn't, because of the rain that was forecast. The matches would be played rain, or shine. I had the sense he attended most of their games.
As we neared my destination, out-of-the-blue, he said that his daughter works as a specialist / therapist at a memory care facility. She was caring for 68 residents at this facility, and then, more than half of them died of COVID. (Obviously, reflecting mortality rates seen in the early months of the epidemic, before vaccines.) He said his daughter was "emotionally devastated" by these deaths. I have the sense that the emotional scars linger.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 23, 2023 8:44:50 GMT -5
P.S. I happen to trust our governmental agencies if not "big pharma" who I recognize as profit-driven. However, despite my advanced age, I happen to believe that an organization can simultaneously seek profits while also looking to do good. Sure, naive, right? I think you've encapsulated things perfectly here. I think a lot of people believe that governmental agencies will always put the American people first (well, Americans and those crossing the southern border, but that's a different conversation), so if big pharma is producing a vaccine to combat Corona, and the FDA approves it, and the CDC encourages all Americans six months and over to get it, and POTUS reinforces this message...then wouldn't it be foolish not to get the vaccine and a booster ever six months? I posted the below in another thread -- Do you have absolute trust that big pharma, the FDA, and the CDC have public health and the health of individuals at the forefront of everything they do?
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Do you think that the billions of dollars that are at stake might potentially compromise and, unfortunately, incentivize big pharma to produce vaccines and drugs, pressure the FDA to approve them, and have the CDC act as its marketing arm?
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Post by alum on Oct 23, 2023 10:18:20 GMT -5
P.S. I happen to trust our governmental agencies if not "big pharma" who I recognize as profit-driven. However, despite my advanced age, I happen to believe that an organization can simultaneously seek profits while also looking to do good. Sure, naive, right? I think you've encapsulated things perfectly here. I think a lot of people believe that governmental agencies will always put the American people first (well, Americans and those crossing the southern border, but that's a different conversation), so if big pharma is producing a vaccine to combat Corona, and the FDA approves it, and the CDC encourages all Americans six months and over to get it, and POTUS reinforces this message...then wouldn't it be foolish not to get the vaccine and a booster ever six months? I posted the below in another thread -- Do you have absolute trust that big pharma, the FDA, and the CDC have public health and the health of individuals at the forefront of everything they do?
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Do you think that the billions of dollars that are at stake might potentially compromise and, unfortunately, incentivize big pharma to produce vaccines and drugs, pressure the FDA to approve them, and have the CDC act as its marketing arm?
You have, intentionally or otherwise, offered a Hobson's choice. Few or none are going to say that they have the certainity of "absolute trust" in anything so they are required to select your second option with its use of "might" and "potentially." Those terms don't even express a probablity, i.e. greater than 50% odds. I think that when we are talking about medications with almost no serious side effects and substantial benefits after billions of doses, most people's decision making will be focused on the high probablility that the vaccines are safe and effective.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 23, 2023 10:36:39 GMT -5
Can’t speak for anyone else but thought I made clear that I pick door #3. Do good AND make a profit.
Look, I worked for 42 years in the insurance industry - property and casualty - you know, those creeps that the white knight (not to be confused with a purple Crusader) lawyers fought on your behalf for free after you’ve had a car accident or fell on the store’s wet floor? Because the insurance company wanted to cheat you on your claim and to maximize their profit. Call 1-800- yada, yada, yada.
The reality at the company I worked for was a mutual insurer, owned not by stockholders but the policyholders who were the owners. In claims, whether dealing with our own insureds or “claimants,” people making claims against our insured, we strived to make fair settlements. Not “low ball” the person but not gratuitously give way the store either. The idea was not to maximize “profits” but rather keep expenses as low as reasonable in order to help keep our insureds premiums as low as possible (company founded by a bunch of Ohio farmers).
But on the larger, more strategic level, we were striving to do good for society, to make people “whole” after a loss. It was truly helping society. You know that “men and women for others” stuff you might have heard about. When I was in a leadership role, that’s the message that I tried to convey to new Claims reps. Your primary purpose is to help people. We didn’t fix your car after an accident, we gave you the money to have it fixed. Or rebuild your house after a fire, we gave you the money to pay the contractor. We didn’t fix your broken arm, we paid the doctor or hospital to do that.
Hopefully I didn’t lose you on the turn BUT I see governmental agencies like insurance companies, there to help society and made up of men and women just like us. I also realize that profits for big pharmaceutical companies can be a huge incentive but believe the better angels in most people who go into finding vaccines and cures aren’t too far removed from doctors and nurses who are looking to help their fellow man.
There are precious few people who know me who think I am naive. You might think differently. 🤷♂️
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 23, 2023 10:58:10 GMT -5
Hopefully I didn’t lose you on the turn BUT I see governmental agencies like insurance companies, there to help society and made up of men and women just like us. I also realize that profits for big pharmaceutical companies can be a huge incentive but believe the better angels in most people who go into finding vaccines and cures aren’t too far removed from doctors and nurses who are looking to help their fellow man. Philosophically, this is where we differ.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 23, 2023 11:04:15 GMT -5
Difference of opinion? On Crossports? Works for me!😊
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