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Post by longsuffering on Oct 9, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5
I picked Colgate based on Brown getting blown out by Harvard. Bad decision. The PL is weaker than I thought.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 9, 2021 20:18:48 GMT -5
Could the Brown QB also be a bit better than some thought?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2021 20:24:55 GMT -5
Saw most of the Brown/Colgate game. Recognizing Brown is probably better than I thought, I'm feeling pretty confident about our game in Polar Park.
(Yes, my dartboard failed me this week).
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2021 20:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 9, 2021 21:19:37 GMT -5
Nothing against HC, but Lehigh is the flagship given its eight football titles and its proximity to the league headquarters--it's no accident the PL is in Center Valley, PA and not in Southbridge.
Tier-wise, the PL is 1. Lehigh 2. Colgate/Holy Cross 3. Fordham 4. Lafayette 5. Bucknell 6. Georgetown
Twenty years of PL football have done little to move Georgetown out of the cellar (a combined 23-93 since 2001). But if you can't admit talent, you can't play talent, and there seems almost no hope that Georgetown can do any better given the arcane rules of the league.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2021 21:58:44 GMT -5
Not sure how official this is but since inception, football championships: Lehigh: 12 Colgate: 10 Holy Cross: 8 Lafayette: 7 Fordham: 3 Bucknell: 1 Since 2010 Lehigh: 4 Colgate: 4 Holy Cross: 2 Lafayette: 1 Fordham: 1 Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Patriot_League_football_champion_seasonsStill, whether you go with the total 12 vs 10 Lehigh to 'gate, or last 10 most recent years, 4 to 4, no way Lehigh is the "flagship" program any more than Colgate is. And, really, because the headquarters of the league is nearby? That holds no water for me, anyway. My sympathies for Georgetown but the cellar-dweller is by choice.
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 10, 2021 6:38:38 GMT -5
41 PL championships in 35 (?) seasons? Guess they are counting ties.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 10, 2021 7:44:26 GMT -5
Could the Brown QB also be a bit better than some thought? I don't know if anyone thought Perry was bad at all. It's the rest of the team that's shown little until yesterday.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 10, 2021 8:03:28 GMT -5
Hope TG survives (because to me, 2020-1 was not a real season; so he's only had two), but I doubt it.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 10, 2021 8:21:46 GMT -5
Could the Brown QB also be a bit better than some thought? I don't know if anyone thought Perry was bad at all. It's the rest of the team that's shown little until yesterday. Yes, if you are good enough to get a full schollie to BC and play a bit it is understood you'll be pretty darn good at the FCS level. Brown seemed better than Colgate at more than just QB yesterday.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 10, 2021 8:31:04 GMT -5
9 TOTAL points while going 0-6 is not easy to do. There are garbage points available in blowouts. Is there any advantage to letting TG finish out the season there? Obviously, it has turned out to be an embarrassingly disastrous hire. When you're supposed to be the "flagship" PL football program, you just dont make your head coaching hire a guy that got canned from a middling league program at the end of a half-decade of complete mediocrity. I still love Gilmore and thank him for doing what he did to resurrect non-svholly Holy Cross football. But hes come to the end of the line. Hiring TG was a bizarre move by Lehigh and criticized even then by quite a few of their faithful who predicted disaster. I'm not sure even they could have predicted ZERO total touchdowns (and just 3 total field goals) in the first 6 games this year. They didn't play the sort of teams that delight in running it up and shutting you out when the games are one-sided. That being said I can’t imagine Lehigh canning him this season and it wouldn’t shock me if they have a good game or two v PL competition.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 10, 2021 8:45:50 GMT -5
Could the Brown QB also be a bit better than some thought? We saw him play against us a few years back. He was wearing a BC Eagles jersey.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2021 8:49:10 GMT -5
Could the Brown QB also be a bit better than some thought? I don't know if anyone thought Perry was bad at all. It's the rest of the team that's shown little until yesterday. "Better than some thought" is not the same as "bad." I don't think anyone said that on CROSPORTS, or did they?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 10, 2021 8:57:42 GMT -5
Hope TG survives (because to me, 2020-1 was not a real season; so he's only had two), but I doubt it. I think Lehigh nation has seen everything they need to see. There will be a full blown mutiny if he's back for 2022.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 10, 2021 9:02:33 GMT -5
Still, whether you go with the total 12 vs 10 Lehigh to 'gate, or last 10 most recent years, 4 to 4, no way Lehigh is the "flagship" program any more than Colgate is. And, really, because the headquarters of the league is nearby? That holds no water for me, anyway. My sympathies for Georgetown but the cellar-dweller is by choice. A "flagship" is a matter of perception. Michigan is considered a Big 10 flagship and it hasn't won a football title there in 18 years. As to Georgetown, well, if a school doesn't want to double the number of athletic scholarships offered at the school merely to play in one sport in the Patriot League, that's their choice. If they're not allowed by the PL to recruit athletes that are admittable at nearly every other PL school based on SAT scores, well, that's not their choice.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2021 9:24:55 GMT -5
"If they're not allowed by the PL to recruit athletes that are admittable at nearly every other PL school based on SAT scores, well, that's not their choice."
Why not?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2021 9:28:12 GMT -5
I can assure you in Ohio, Michigan is not “the” flagship Big 10 school. Perhaps as you noted “a” flagship school it might be grudgingly admitted in the Buckeye state.
To the original point, I’ll go along with Lehigh being “A” flagship PL school but not “THE” one. Unless you are one of the many here that believe it is “The Pennsylvania League.” I subscribe to the theory that Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell just happen to be geographically proximate, like HC and BU.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2021 10:26:58 GMT -5
Still, whether you go with the total 12 vs 10 Lehigh to 'gate, or last 10 most recent years, 4 to 4, no way Lehigh is the "flagship" program any more than Colgate is. And, really, because the headquarters of the league is nearby? That holds no water for me, anyway. My sympathies for Georgetown but the cellar-dweller is by choice. A "flagship" is a matter of perception. Michigan is considered a Big 10 flagship and it hasn't won a football title there in 18 years. As to Georgetown, well, if a school doesn't want to double the number of athletic scholarships offered at the school merely to play in one sport in the Patriot League, that's their choice. If they're not allowed by the PL to recruit athletes that are admittable at nearly every other PL school based on SAT scores, well, that's not their choice. Are you recommending that Georgetown admit football players who do not have to take timed tests?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2021 10:28:50 GMT -5
Here are Massey's rankings after Week #6 45 Holy Cross (3-2) 61 Fordham (2-3) 76 Lafayette (1-4) 86 Colgate (2-3) 103 Bucknell (1-3) 107 Georgetown (1-3) 115 Lehigh (0-5) out of 128 ranked FCS teams
Are there really 13 FCS teams that are worse this year than Lehigh? Have they been playing with just 10 players on the field ?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2021 10:40:50 GMT -5
Since you asked, here are the lower ranked teams and their conferences/leagues: St Thomas MN (3-2) Pioneer Drake (2-4) Pioneer LIU Post (0-4) Northeast Morgan St (0-5) Mid-Eastern AC Wagner (0-6) Northeast Valparaiso (1-5) Pioneer Presbyterian (2-3) Pioneer Butler (2-4) Pioneer Stetson (2-3) Pioneer
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2021 10:47:59 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty sure Lehigh won't lose by 49 points to Fordham like Wagner did. Can't speak to any of the others but the Lehigh defense looks to be getting better as they mature and if they can get their offense in gear they can be dangerous.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2021 10:54:17 GMT -5
Here are Massey's rankings after Week #6 (updated today 10/10)
51 Holy Cross (3-2) 53 Fordham (2-3) 70 Lafayette (1-4) 92 Colgate (2-3) 105 Bucknell (1-3) 106 Georgetown (1-3) 119 Lehigh (0-5) out of 128 ranked FCS teams
Lehigh is ranked higher than SIX pioneer league teams. I see the PL is clearly stringer than that league, for one.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2021 11:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty sure Lehigh won't lose by 49 points to Fordham like Wagner did. Can't speak to any of the others but the Lehigh defense looks to be getting better as they mature and if they can get their offense in gear they can be dangerous. Speaking of Wagner, I have a soft spot for the school. I recall HC playing them a number of years ago. One of our players--a wide receiver I think--got hurt in the game and was hospitalized in NY. We heard later that the Wagner coach visited him and brought a pizza. That impressed me very favorably.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2021 11:01:32 GMT -5
Combined league ranks: 1 Missouri Valley 24.39 2 Colonial 38.14 3 Big Sky 47.77 4 Atlantic Sun 49.73 5 Southern 52.74 6 Ivy League 54.71 7 Southland 58.83 8 Western Athletic 61.89 9 Big South 63.56 10 OH Valley 76.62 11 Patriot League 83.10 12 Southwestern AC 83.11 13 Northeast 85.29 14 Mid-Eastern AC 101.78 15 Pioneer 106.27
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 10, 2021 11:21:20 GMT -5
I picked Colgate based on Brown getting blown out by Harvard. Bad decision. The PL is weaker than I thought. We got blown out by Harvard...and I'd still expect us to beat Colgate by 2 TD minimum.
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