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Post by timholycross on Oct 14, 2021 13:37:00 GMT -5
Probably wouldn’t put that in the top 300 concerns for Georgetown football. There really aren't 300. In fact, of the ten factors needed to compete at this level, Georgetown has seven of them. 1. Name recognition as a university in intercollegiate athletics? Yes 2. Institutional support? Yes. 3. Coaching stability and reputation? Yes. 4. Recruiting good kids (as opposed to calls from the police at 3 am)? Yes 5. Training, conditioning and facilities? Now, yes. 6. Recruiting budget? Yes 7. Ability to attract and admit impact talent? No8. Brand reputation within college football? No9. Local and/or regional support? No 10. Players graduate and support the program going forward? Yes Of these the biggest drawback is #7. The PL rules are a considerable firewall to this regarding SAT ranges. A high band kid at Fordham or Bucknell is almost unrecruitable at Georgetown. The low band kid, forget it. As for Hoya: www.hoyafootball.com/history/hoia.htmWould #7 work even more against GU because football is the only sport they are a league member? Would they be better off if their league membership were like Army and Navy's, except substitute basketball for football?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2021 13:48:43 GMT -5
Looking at the highlights from the 2019 game I see that Jacob Dobbs wore #43 as a freshman while sophomore John Smith wore #27. Now Dobbs is #27 and Smith is #7. Not a critical matter, but just wondering. Maybe they wanted to revert to the numbers they wore in high school
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Post by HC92 on Oct 14, 2021 14:57:11 GMT -5
Probably wouldn’t put that in the top 300 concerns for Georgetown football. There really aren't 300. In fact, of the ten factors needed to compete at this level, Georgetown has seven of them. 1. Name recognition as a university in intercollegiate athletics? Yes 2. Institutional support? Yes. 3. Coaching stability and reputation? Yes. 4. Recruiting good kids (as opposed to calls from the police at 3 am)? Yes 5. Training, conditioning and facilities? Now, yes. 6. Recruiting budget? Yes 7. Ability to attract and admit impact talent? No8. Brand reputation within college football? No9. Local and/or regional support? No 10. Players graduate and support the program going forward? Yes Of these the biggest drawback is #7. The PL rules are a considerable firewall to this regarding SAT ranges. A high band kid at Fordham or Bucknell is almost unrecruitable at Georgetown. The low band kid, forget it. As for Hoya: www.hoyafootball.com/history/hoia.htmI was under the (mis?)impression that Georgetown had had some pretty highly rated recruits in recent classes. I thought they were finally getting closer to the Ivy model and figuring out how to use need-based aid and to convince top talent to come there and get a great education with a degree that is worth a good deal in the real world.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2021 15:31:05 GMT -5
If they have institutional support, why is Georgetown the only PL school not to award football scholarships? Perhaps they did not want to take any funds away from basketball?
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 14, 2021 15:49:27 GMT -5
Their last three recruiting classes were very solid.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 14, 2021 15:57:30 GMT -5
In talking to Frank Rienzo about football there was significant alumni pressure to restart the program. Frank relented but feared a demand to grow the program once reestablished. He was afraid any move with formal scholarships would create chaos for him and whoever followed him as AD- therefore no formal scholarships. They do give significant financial aid and have for the past 20 plus years. My guess is their total football spend is less than others in the league, but not significantly Today they could be investing more, but I don't know
Full disclosure Frank was my neighbor, a good friend, and his two sons worked for me. I coached them and one of their (Joan and Frank) daughters
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 14, 2021 17:25:05 GMT -5
Probably wouldn’t put that in the top 300 concerns for Georgetown football. There really aren't 300. In fact, of the ten factors needed to compete at this level, Georgetown has seven of them. 1. Name recognition as a university in intercollegiate athletics? Yes 2. Institutional support? Yes. 3. Coaching stability and reputation? Yes. 4. Recruiting good kids (as opposed to calls from the police at 3 am)? Yes 5. Training, conditioning and facilities? Now, yes. 6. Recruiting budget? Yes 7. Ability to attract and admit impact talent? No8. Brand reputation within college football? No9. Local and/or regional support? No 10. Players graduate and support the program going forward? Yes Of these the biggest drawback is #7. The PL rules are a considerable firewall to this regarding SAT ranges. A high band kid at Fordham or Bucknell is almost unrecruitable at Georgetown. The low band kid, forget it. As for Hoya: www.hoyafootball.com/history/hoia.htmGU might have more bargaining power in the PL than they think. The PL doesn't want to become a six team football conference and probably prefers Georgetown over other potential replacements. Without Fordham and Georgetown, PL football is up a creek.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 14, 2021 17:42:48 GMT -5
If so we move to the CAA GOD save the Queen
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2021 19:19:15 GMT -5
And if you add that 3rd Jesuit school, Holy Cross, that triumvirate might have half the power of the Pennsylvania troika!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 14, 2021 20:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 15, 2021 8:13:45 GMT -5
The two-deep is up on the website. Again, I would not put too much stock in it. As an example, Terrance Spence is listed on the two-deep as CB but he has a broken leg and is out for the season.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 15, 2021 8:20:18 GMT -5
Thanks for that additional explanation. Whom do you see in his place?
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 15, 2021 16:07:14 GMT -5
Really sloppy to take all week to post the two deep and it includes someone out for the season - that kind of thing drives me crazy - really no excuse I see a frosh Cam McNair listed as the backup LT - 6'5" 330 lbs - anyone remember anyone bigger that ever played for us ? I can't
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Post by hchoops on Oct 15, 2021 16:21:31 GMT -5
Maybe the 2 deep posting is what and when the coaches want.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 15, 2021 17:17:13 GMT -5
“ Really sloppy to take all week to post the two deep and it includes someone out for the season - that kind of thing drives me crazy - really no excuse I see a frosh Cam McNair listed as the backup LT - 6'5" 330 lbs - anyone remember anyone bigger that ever played for us ? I can't”
Yes, I remember an offensive lineman who weighed 355 lbs during Randolph years. Met him once or twice and saw videos of him dancing and was exceptionally light on his feet and thought he had a shot at the NFL. Embarrassed to say I don’t recall his name right now.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 15, 2021 17:26:38 GMT -5
" Maybe the 2 deep posting is what and when the coaches want."
You are overanalyzing coaches' strategy - do you really think GU looks at who the backup safety is ? They have more pressing concerns about how they'll keep it close tmro
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Post by hchoops on Oct 15, 2021 18:03:34 GMT -5
I think Gtown does not care that much, but many coaches, especially football ones, can be paranoid. Just a possibility.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 15, 2021 18:56:12 GMT -5
To answer the question a few posts above, the player I could not remember his name was Aaron Jones '09 who was 6'4" and listed as 360 lbs. His height stayed the same but his weight progression: Freshman: 330 Sophomore: 344 Junior: 360 Senior: 360 goholycross.com/sports/football/roster/aaron-jones/4823
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Post by midwestsader05 on Oct 16, 2021 10:09:04 GMT -5
Been crazy busy at work last two weeks so not many posts but here’s my hot take coming into PL play. I would not be surprised if this team runs the table and finishes 6-0 in league play and 9-2 on the season. However, given the volatility HC has demonstrated week to week, I would also not be surprised if we go 3-3 in the PL to finish a hugely disappointing 6-5. I go back to where I was at the beginning of the season and I had the O/U of HC wins at 7.5. I choose 7 and had us going 2-3 in OOC and 5-1 in PL (losing to Fordham). I still think we finish around there, I’m very concerned about games against Lafayette and Fordham as I think each pose difficult match ups to our team but in different ways (Fordham against our pass D, and Lafayette’s D against our inconsistency on Offense to throw when forced to become one dimensional)
So, my gut tells we go 5-1 or 4-2 in the PL and I still have Fordham as the favorite to win the league (Barring injuries…speaking of, any updates on Greenhagan?)
As for HC, looks like Spencer Gilliam is still out (he DNP against Harvard) and possibly 5th yr Senior OT Mike Piz. Also, awful news about Spence.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 16, 2021 10:17:03 GMT -5
Hoping for a speedy recovery and return for Spencer. He's been my avatar since impressing me so much as a freshman
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Post by midwestsader05 on Oct 16, 2021 10:21:54 GMT -5
To answer the question a few posts above, the player I could not remember his name was Aaron Jones '09 who was 6'4" and listed as 360 lbs. His height stayed the same but his weight progression: Freshman: 330 Sophomore: 344 Junior: 360 Senior: 360 goholycross.com/sports/football/roster/aaron-jones/4823As a reminder, that team had 3 big OL with good feet. Not only Jones, but Chris Poole ~6’6 310 and Mike McCabe (the best of the bunch IMO) at ~6’5 320. Dom had three really good OL for the PL circa that era of 2007-2009.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 16, 2021 10:27:28 GMT -5
For those looking for a little entertainment until 1:30; Yate/UConn is on CBSSN at noon.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2021 10:29:13 GMT -5
That’s entertainment ?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2021 10:37:17 GMT -5
Watching two teams that share losses to Holy Cross battle it out? Sure!
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 16, 2021 10:48:00 GMT -5
Tough crowd. Strike "entertainment" and add "kill a little time".
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