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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 15:10:08 GMT -5
Dana O'Neil Senior Writer, CBB Big East Commissioner Val Ackerman told The Athletic that with the FOX deal expiring in 2025, she will ask her presidents to at least examine expansion. "That's in the back of our minds,'' she said. "What school helps with our basketball aspirations ?” 28m ago Asked about going national, and perhaps eyeing a certain Catholic school in Spokane, Ackerman said, "nothing is crazy in this environment but we're also mindful of details, like travel and logistics. Geography is not insurmountable, but it's kind of high on the list.''
25m ago Bottom line nothing is imminent, but nothing is off the table. "Is future expansion possible? The answer is yes,'' Ackerman said. "We're not the Ancient Eight. Nobody else is in that boat that I know
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 13, 2021 15:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on Oct 13, 2021 15:42:31 GMT -5
I can envision no way Gonzaga would join the Big East.
If the Big East does expand it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall.
If UMASS, Richmond and/or URI were to join, for instance - does it open the A-10 for expansion?
Does it allow a FCS Big East conference for football - Villanova, UCONN, UMASS, Georgetown, Richmond, URI?
Maybe it allows UMASS and UCONN to save face on their FBS football fiascoes arguing their football programs need to take a step back to advance the basketball programs.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 16:15:14 GMT -5
I can envision no way Gonzaga would join the Big East. And why not ? From the BE view Catholic, no football, all hoops. Geography, you say ? Nebraska is in . Why not the state of Washington ? just a bit further plane ride. Olympic sports ? I believe that Gonzaga has very few(pun not intended). A very high profile team. From the Zags view. Much, much more competitive conference. The Zags spend November and December traveling all over the country anyway. Many more national TV games.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 16:22:33 GMT -5
I can envision no way Gonzaga would join the Big East. If the Big East does expand it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall. If UMASS, Richmond and/or URI were to join, for instance - does it open the A-10 for expansion? Not likely. the conference will want to expand its footprint. Try Dayton, Loyola Chicago.(if DePaul approves)
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Post by efg72 on Oct 13, 2021 16:37:53 GMT -5
The other (outside the box)option is to have the Big East go back to its roots with say 4 different divisions of 5 teams -instead of the three ECAC divisions of the 70s, and as suggested above build a powerful FCS football conference
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Post by Tom on Oct 13, 2021 16:38:43 GMT -5
Although the same applies to Creighton, having a team from Washington state in a league called the Big East sounds stupid
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 16:45:33 GMT -5
Although the same applies to Creighton, having a team from Washington state in a league called the Big East sounds stupid How about Chicago, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin ? That East ship sailed years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2021 17:31:46 GMT -5
Stupid then, stupider now. At least change the name!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 13, 2021 17:35:57 GMT -5
Not happening--it's just a lawyer (Val Ackerman) playing the "due dligence" card.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 17:47:11 GMT -5
Not happening--it's just a lawyer (Val Ackerman) playing the "due dligence" card. No expansion at all ? Why not ?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 17:48:07 GMT -5
Stupid then, stupider now. At least change the name! Stupider than all the (wrong) numbered conferences ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 13, 2021 18:06:59 GMT -5
If the Big East wanted to round to 12, Dayton would be the best fit, IMO.
Can't see the conference going to 14, But if they did, St. Louis would be my candidate for #13, and VCU for #14. Both schools expand the broadcast market coverage.
Providence //// Xavier UConn //// Butler St. John's //// DePaul Seton Hall //// Marquette Villanova //// Creighton Georgetown //// [Dayton] [[VCU]] //// [[St. Louis]]
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Post by efg72 on Oct 13, 2021 18:16:00 GMT -5
I could say the possibilities are exciting But
I just want to win 22 plus every season and challenge for whatever league championship
And all Crossports posters be excited
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 13, 2021 18:31:27 GMT -5
I need to be made USA sports commissioner so I can return the conferences to what they should be:regional alliances that promote logical rivalries,minimize travel,and enable fan bases to travel to away games. The once great Southwest Conference would return and big 10, big 12, SEC would return to what they were. Don't get me started...
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Post by rf1 on Oct 13, 2021 18:33:48 GMT -5
I can envision no way Gonzaga would join the Big East. If the Big East does expand it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall. If UMASS, Richmond and/or URI were to join, for instance - does it open the A-10 for expansion? Not likely. the conference will want to expand its footprint. Try Dayton, Loyola Chicago.(if DePaul approves)
Dayton would be a good institutional fit but Xavier will never accept them as they want to be the only SW Ohio member. X even dropped playing the Flyers after they got their BE invite. The league already has a Chicago presence and Depaul would not want to add to it. The BE dream would be Gonzaga. after that, there are not a lot of schools that will really add great value. If they just wanted to add another team outside of Gonzaga, it could be St Louis. New market that would give Creighton a rival. SLU is Catholic, urban, and has a relatively new 10k seat on campus arena. It would also balance out the BE with six western members to match the existing six eastern schools.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 13, 2021 20:04:30 GMT -5
Not happening--it's just a lawyer (Val Ackerman) playing the "due dligence" card. No expansion at all ? Why not ? It's not needed. The Ivy League doesn't need to go to 12, do they? There is no increase in TV revenues per school per the Fox contract if they expand, and no increase in coverage since all the games are televised. Conferences expand to increase its payouts or as a hedge against departures and the Big East has neither.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 13, 2021 20:06:24 GMT -5
If the Big East wanted to round to 12, Dayton would be the best fit, IMO. Can't see the conference going to 14, But if they did, St. Louis would be my candidate for #13, and VCU for #14. Both schools expand the broadcast market coverage. Providence //// Xavier UConn //// Butler St. John's //// DePaul Seton Hall //// Marquette Villanova //// Creighton Georgetown //// [Dayton] [[VCU]] //// [[St. Louis]] I think if the Big East expands the next two obvious choices are St. Louis and Dayton. After that, I would say Richmond would be up there. They'd be much more likely to be accepted than cross-city rival VCU. Gonzaga -- I'm kind of with hchoops. Long shot that it would happen but not impossible. Hawaii has to travel further to their closest in or out of-conference opponent than Gonzaga would have to travel to play Providence or St. John's. I guess the difference in TV money (less the increase in travel costs) would really have to be there for the move to make sense for Gonzaga. Would basketball-only membership be an option for Gonzaga? Say, Big East M/W hoops and the rest of their sports could compete in the Big Sky or WAC, assuming that the WCC would show them the door. Notre Dame -- don't forget the Irish could dive back into the Big East mix at any point if they become unhappy with their ACC deal.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 13, 2021 20:09:47 GMT -5
I can envision no way Gonzaga would join the Big East. If the Big East does expand it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall. If UMASS, Richmond and/or URI were to join, for instance - does it open the A-10 for expansion? Does it allow a FCS Big East conference for football - Villanova, UCONN, UMASS, Georgetown, Richmond, URI?Maybe it allows UMASS and UCONN to save face on their FBS football fiascoes arguing their football programs need to take a step back to advance the basketball programs. Don't forget Butler football! By God, talk about a football conference that would be absolutely all over the place as far as overall commitment, fan base, scholarship levels, history and success on the field. And you have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting zapped by lightning on the same day than UMASS and URI getting into the Big East....
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 13, 2021 20:10:05 GMT -5
If it happens, St. Louis is the best and likely 1st choice as it offers a new market for the BE that is the 23rd largest DMA in the country.
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Post by classof83 on Oct 13, 2021 20:40:31 GMT -5
It is going to be interesting to see what happens, but TV is so fractionalized and FOX Sports is relatively established now - I am not sure they need the Big East to create content anymore. I believe the initial contract was necessary to create an audience for the new network. They won't overpay this time around.
Getting Notre Dame may be the only school that may move the needle when the TV contract is renegotiated.
With Gonzaga in a time zone that is 3 hours different than the schools in the east - every weekday game with Gonzaga and a school in EST- either home or away -has half the audience tuning in outside of prime time. Not sure it will help any deal with FOX
Besides, what does Gonzaga get out of a move to the Big East. They get a lot of nationally televised games where they are now and have been dominant in their league for years now - hasn't hurt their national rank. . They have been nationally ranked with high seeds in the NCAA Tournament. They don't need the Big East.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 20:47:50 GMT -5
There is a theory that they have underperformed in the NCAA tourney because of the overall lack of competition in their conference. They play a very strong non conference schedule, then fade into oblivion when conference play starts. Few(ha) of their conference games are televised. The lack of some TV audience out west would be made up by the East and Midwest hoops fans. I believe that these potential ratings boosts would appeal to Fox. Who outside of their fans is watching say, Providence vs Seton Hall ? Now Gonzaga vs either of these teams is a far different story.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 13, 2021 20:48:18 GMT -5
It is going to be interesting to see what happens, but TV is so fractionalized and FOX Sports is relatively established now - I am not sure they need the Big East to create content anymore. I believe the initial contract was necessary to create an audience for the new network. They won't overpay this time around. Getting Notre Dame may be the only school that may move the needle when the TV contract is renegotiated. With Gonzaga in a time zone that is 3 hours different than the schools in the east - every weekday game with Gonzaga and a school in EST- either home or away -has half the audience tuning in outside of prime time. Not sure it will help any deal with FOX Besides, what does Gonzaga get out of a move to the Big East. They get a lot of nationally televised games where they are now and have been dominant in their league for years now - hasn't hurt their national rank. . They have been nationally ranked with high seeds in the NCAA Tournament. They don't need the Big East. Right on point with those observations. No idea what kind of TV revenue they bring in now versus what they would bring in as a member of the Big East. But just from a casual perspective, their presence on the West Coast seems to solidify a lot of ESPN time slots at 9PM or 10PM EST during WCC play.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 20:50:17 GMT -5
But not many of those Gonzaga WCC games are picked up by ESPN. I have tried to watch them for years..
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 13, 2021 20:51:40 GMT -5
There is a theory that they have underperformed in the NCAA tourney because of the overall lack of competition in their conference. They play a very strong non conference schedule, then fade into oblivion when conference play starts. Few(ha) of their conference games are televised. The lack of some TV audience out west would be made up by the East and Midwest hoops fans. I believe that these potential ratings boosts would appeal to Fox. Who outside of their fans is watching say, Providence vs Seton Hall ? Now Gonzaga vs either of these teams is a far different story. This is incorrect -- they're seemingly on ESPN or ESPN2 all the time in the late time slot. But the number of total national VIEWERS that they are exposed to is lower than it would be if they were playing more games at say 230pm EST if they were on the road in the Big East.
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