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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 13, 2021 16:14:29 GMT -5
My alumni magazine came today and included an article about what prospective students learn about ND from guidebooks. One of them, the 2021 Fiske Guide stated "ND's personality is much closer to Boston College and Holy Cross than Georgetown." Nice to blow HC a kiss but what does it mean?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 13, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -5
Maybe HC, BC and ND are national, not international schools, as is Gtown ? More of a Catholic identity ? Not in DC ?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2021 16:34:30 GMT -5
Since they used the term "personality," I would make a guess that they see the students & alums a little more "all in" with their respective alma maters.
My impression, and that's all it is, is that Holy Cross and Notre Dame and, to a lesser extent perhaps, BC, are extremely committed to their college/university. Perhaps % alumni giving, alumni networking, keeping in touch with classmates and faculty after graduation, that sort of thing. Not sure that GU is as strong in those areas though obviously very strong academically.
Great question though.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 13, 2021 16:49:32 GMT -5
Preceding that quote was this, also from Fiske "(ND) remains the Holy Grail of higher education for many Roman Catholics...(its) heartland location and 80-percent-Catholic enrollment makes it a bastion of solid education and equally solid values, religious and otherwise." Apparently, Georgetown is considered more secular than the others.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 13, 2021 16:54:21 GMT -5
GU is embarrassed by their Catholic roots and avoid association with the Church - look at their student body and the people they hire ND BC and HC have not abandoned their Catholicity to any such degree
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 13, 2021 17:29:50 GMT -5
I've posted in the past that when I went with my son to look at GU circa 1993-4, what struck me was that they seemed to go out of their way to de-emphasize not just the Jesuit connection but the Catholic connection to the point that they actually emphasized the non-Catholic and secular aspects of the school. That was off-putting to me but perhaps it worked well with non-Catholics.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 13, 2021 18:09:04 GMT -5
My guess would be that when people think of Georgetown they think "that's a really good school in Washingtin DC and a great place to go if you're interested in international relations and politics. Bill Clinton went there". The idea that it is Catholic would be 20 levels down.
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 14, 2021 5:11:45 GMT -5
My guess would be that when people think of Georgetown they think "that's a really good school in Washingtin DC and a great place to go if you're interested in international relations and politics. Bill Clinton went there". The idea that it is Catholic would be 20 levels down. And the fact that Bill Clinton went there is about 200 levels down - for many.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 14, 2021 6:16:34 GMT -5
Thank you for letting us know that you are not an admirer of one of our former Presidents. Other than that, a meaningless comment.
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 14, 2021 6:19:31 GMT -5
Georgetown has 41 Jesuits in residence.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2021 6:22:11 GMT -5
How many are retired ?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2021 7:21:07 GMT -5
Didn't Georgetown also take down crosses because seeing them upset Muslim students? Hardly the typical Catholic response to such an objection.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2021 7:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2021 8:44:16 GMT -5
I guess the motto could be "In this sign thou shall be embarrassed." Might the move to eliminate the cross at Georgetown help explain the poor showing in football by the Hoyas? In Hoc Signo Vinces
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Post by alum on Oct 14, 2021 8:55:26 GMT -5
Crucifixes on walls are fine. Openly proclaiming your religious nature is fine. But remember, you don't want to be like the Pharisees who make a big deal of their religious observances but don't live out the tenents of their faith in practice. (Matthew 23) Be more like the Good Samaritan who helps in private. (Luke 10) Oh, and I just went to the Georgetown website. Below the Covid info on the home page, you can click on "An Education for the Mind and Heart." You can click below that, go to a second page where you can find a click to the Catholic and Jesuit Heritage. I don't think that they are hiding from it. I have a feeling that ND is attracting more conservative Catholics. Google found me this article in the student newspaper which would seem to support this. ndsmcobserver.com/2021/04/why-liberal-prospective-students-should-come-to-notre-dame/
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2021 9:18:38 GMT -5
Three clicks to find it is not quite "displaying" it openly.
In hoc signo vinces post tres strepita.
Is that the quote?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2021 9:22:59 GMT -5
Interesting attempt to link displays of faith to the Pharisees. "Openly displaying your religious nature" is indeed fine. Of course, faith without good works is dead (I read that somewhere). Are you implying that displaying a crucifix makes one like the Pharisees without knowing anything about the person or what he or she does based on their faith? That is quite a jump and, IMHO, a very poor argument.
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Post by alum on Oct 14, 2021 9:31:41 GMT -5
Interesting attempt to link displays of faith to the Pharisees. "Openly displaying your religious nature" is indeed fine. Of course, faith without good works is dead (I read that somewhere). Are you implying that displaying a crucifix makes one like the Pharisees without knowing anything about the person or what he or she does based on their faith? That is quite a jump and, IMHO, a very poor argument. Sorry, I disagree. You joined a discussion about whether Georgetown was embarassed about being Catholic by bringing up a 24 year old story about crucifixes on walls. I would suggest that being a Christian is about following the teaching of Christ as opposed to counting religious symbols. I would measure Georgetown's Catholic and Jesuit character by whether they are teaching people to love one another and to be people for others. I honestly don't know whether they are or are not, but by making it about imagery instead of substance, I think you denigrate the faith you are trying to promote.
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Post by alum on Oct 14, 2021 9:42:02 GMT -5
Three clicks to find it is not quite "displaying" it openly. In hoc signo vinces post tres strepita.
Is that the quote?It looks like strepita means noise, so maybe we update it to clicks..... "In this sign you will conquer, after three clicks?" That's very good.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2021 9:58:21 GMT -5
alum, setting the record straight, it was I who linked that story, not rgs. I didn't have a lot of time but was I was trying to find whether GU took down their crosses on campus because I thought that was the case from my always suspect memory. That link was the quickest I could find before I did other things. It obviously was not only old but was much more extensive than just GU. FWIW, with my admittedly VERY limited to exposure to GU, they are not necessarily hiding their Jesuit/Catholic identity but not advertising it either like Fairfield does and to a lesser extent HC and Fordham. I agree that some schools, perhaps like ND, have no problem making Catholics feel very comfortable on campus. I think GU is casting their net much wider than the other schools in discussion. HC seems to be drifting more in the direction of GU than either Fairfield or ND. That is, not trying to "put off" Catholics but really looking for lots of non-Catholics who are excellent students ( athletes in GU's case! ).
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Post by alum on Oct 14, 2021 10:02:37 GMT -5
alum, setting the record straight, it was I who linked that story, not rgs. I didn't have a lot of time but was I was trying to find whether GU took down their crosses on campus because I thought that was the case from my always suspect memory. That link was the quickest I could find before I did other things. It obviously was not only old but was much more extensive than just GU. FWIW, with my admittedly VERY limited to exposure to GU, they are not necessarily hiding their Jesuit/Catholic identity but not advertising it either like Fairfield does and to a lesser extent HC and Fordham. I agree that some schools, perhaps like ND, have no problem making Catholics feel very comfortable on campus. I think GU is casting their net much wider than the other schools in discussion. HC seems to be drifting more in the direction of GU than either Fairfield or ND. That is, not trying to "put off" Catholics but really looking for lots of non-Catholics who are excellent students ( athletes in GU's case! ). He brought it up first, you linked to it.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 14, 2021 10:19:41 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Georgetown to offer an opinion but here's what one of my fellow alumni had to say about ND: "It is...the most Catholic place I have ever been (and I am writing from Rome, where I teach theology. So trust me on this one.) But it was catholic Catholicism, not a rigid or oppressive kind. Open and universal. Not forced on anyone, but unmistakably ubiquitous." Yes, sader1970, Catholics can feel very comfortable at ND.
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 14, 2021 10:30:08 GMT -5
Thank you for letting us know that you are not an admirer of one of our former Presidents. Other than that, a meaningless comment. To you.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2021 10:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2021 11:10:56 GMT -5
Thank you for letting us know that you are not an admirer of one of our former Presidents. Other than that, a meaningless comment. Could also be a case of Clinton was president before any high school student was born. Some kids today also think Viet Nam is as ancient as WWII
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