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Post by sader1970 on May 14, 2022 14:32:44 GMT -5
Down 9-3 going into top of the 8th. And we were up 3-2 early but defense very poor.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 14, 2022 14:34:47 GMT -5
Let the fossils wear masks for the rest of their lives, which they will. The rest of us will live our lives. This an impressive amount of odious other-ism in two short sentences.
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Post by snapper on May 14, 2022 15:17:50 GMT -5
We are just a terrible fielding team. Can't make routine plays, throwing to wrong bases, etc. Very bad. Something that HCEK really needs to clean up. Too bad we don’t have any type of indoor facility that this stuff could have been worked on all winter. Oh, we do…….
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Post by purplehaze on May 14, 2022 15:51:49 GMT -5
Do not underestimate the impact of playing so many frosh. And as we have stated here all season we don’t have a natural shortstop on the roster and soph Kirkpatrick has had a very tough season there defensively- 2 errors in game one Also we have a very weak defensive outfield in the corners D’Acunto is a catcher and he’s in left and Scanlon is our dh and he’s in right - the Covid absentees is making it almost impossible today
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Post by thecrossisback on May 14, 2022 16:16:39 GMT -5
Why would we not pitch Mudd or Remley?
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Post by purplehaze on May 14, 2022 16:34:33 GMT -5
Down 4-0 in the 3rd Bucknell beat Lehigh in game 1, 10-8 Game 2 tmro due to rain and anticipated darkness as Bison field does not have lights
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2022 17:17:09 GMT -5
We're on the board. 6-1 Army.
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Post by snapper on May 14, 2022 18:20:21 GMT -5
When does the Eddie K show get shut off? Hopefully by EOD Monday. Come on knight rider, do right by the program.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 14, 2022 18:25:37 GMT -5
Our best pitcher has not pitched this weekend. Think about that.
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Post by bison137 on May 14, 2022 19:44:12 GMT -5
Down 4-0 in the 3rd Bucknell beat Lehigh in game 1, 10-8 Game 2 tmro due to rain and anticipated darkness as Bison field does not have lights they didn’t start game two because it was already raining and there were thunderstorms in various places in central Pennsylvania. There was already one delay due to lightning. Had they wanted to start game two, they could’ve played for more than three hours before darkness hit. But it’s likely there would’ve been another lightning delay at some point, which would really have screwed up the pitching situation. And it’s also possible the rain might’ve gotten heavy enough that the pitchers couldn’t grip the ball. if Lehigh wins the first game tomorrow, is possible there may be more weather issues in the late afternoon.
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Post by snapper on May 14, 2022 19:54:28 GMT -5
Our best pitcher has not pitched this weekend. Think about that. Saving him for game 3 of course. Don’t you know strategy Sons?
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Post by thecrossisback on May 14, 2022 20:28:11 GMT -5
When does the Eddie K show get shut off? Hopefully by EOD Monday. Come on knight rider, do right by the program. I really doubt they will go in a different direction. Nelson is worse and he is still coaching. I do wish the school cared more about the team.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 14, 2022 20:53:31 GMT -5
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If playing at UF and coaching at Marquette matters why hasn't delivered anything resembling a decent squad.
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Post by purplehaze on May 14, 2022 20:57:45 GMT -5
As bad as today was, outscored 23-5 over 2 games I was surprised this team won 17 games Can anyone argue that this years frosh class has some legit talent which was the difference in quite a few of the wins - I know there’s probably no stat for this but I doubt there was another D.1 team in the country with as many frosh regulars
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2022 5:46:21 GMT -5
snapper, I am assuming that you are much, much closer to the Crusader baseball program than I am.
But, you are right that the baseball and basketball situation at HC are "not even close to the same situation" but probably not for the reason you think.
There are 2, possibly 3 sports considered "premiere" at alma mater: men's basketball, football and possibly women's basketball. Some might stretch that to men's and women's hockey (I don't). The rest are considered by most HC fans as "minor" (sometimes referred as "non-revenue" sports). Yes, we want them all to win; be competitive; and even challenge for championships.
Baseball has not been a "big" sport at Holy Cross since the 1950's. It wasn't in the 60's when I was there and I've seen no evidence since that it's improved its status on campus despite the Hanover Field improvements.
So, yes, Nelson played big time basketball and was an assistant at Marquette. And, unlike the baseball coach, he's getting paid very big bucks and among the highest paid staffers atop Mt. St. James. The baseball coach's salary isn't even on the radar. The expectations are and should be MUCH, MUCH greater for the basketball coach.
Certainly understandable to be disappointed in how the baseball team has been doing and to want and expect improvement. But if Kit is going to give Nelson another year (or more), then the baseball coach needs that time too in order to turn things around.
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Post by hchoops on May 15, 2022 8:00:08 GMT -5
snapper, I am assuming that you are much, much closer to the Crusader baseball program than I am. But, you are right that the baseball and basketball situation at HC are "not even close to the same situation" but probably not for the reason you think. There are 2, possibly 3 sports considered "premiere" at alma mater: men's basketball, football and possibly women's basketball. Some might stretch that to men's and women's hockey (I don't). The rest are considered by most HC fans as "minor" (sometimes referred as "non-revenue" sports). Yes, we want them all to win; be competitive; and even challenge for championships. Baseball has not been a "big" sport at Holy Cross since the 1950's. It wasn't in the 60's when I was there Your first two years we were 22-12. Bad your last two. it was a big sport in the 60s. College WS in 62 and 63. NCAA appearances in 65 and 67. Tom Kelly All America in 66.
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2022 9:37:18 GMT -5
We participated in the season and then competed in the PL playoffs. That is my expectation for HC baseball at this point.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2022 9:37:24 GMT -5
Whether it was big or not is subjective and in the eye of the beholder. Knew a player or two on the baseball team and compared to basketball or even the football team that got progressively worse from ‘66 to ‘69, baseball was an afterthought even though Pat Bourque played in the majors.
Part of the issue was baseball played as the academic year wound down. To my knowledge, no trips down south or west.
Hoops, baseball has not been big for decades at the Cross.
My larger point is the baseball coach is not remotely in the same category as our basketball coach.
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Post by hcbball on May 15, 2022 10:21:35 GMT -5
Having watched the majority of games this season, our #1 issue was defense. Only 7 teams in the country made more errors. For every error they made, there was probably another that should have been made (when you play 40 road games, many errors are scored hits).
When you don’t make routine plays, issues are compounded, as pitchers are dealing with more high leverage situations, pitch counts increase and you need to go deeper into you staff throughout the weekend.
I was surprised to see how low their BA rank was nationally, as to the eye they have some talent and they swung the bat better than prior seasons. Lack of power is an issue, as they need 3 hits to score a run in many cases. Not sure if Wang is going to return, but they have a decent core.
Pitching will need an impact incoming freshman and better defense, otherwise we’ll get more of the same. This year’s freshman class was compromised mostly of role pitchers. I’d be surprised to see anyone emerging from the pack. We have one guy throwing over 90 on the staff, most are low to mid 80. Hard to believe we can’t get more impactful arms.
With only 3 seniors this year, I can see them competing for the 4th seed again next season. Army is a very talented team, with the majority of their best players returning. We were 0-8 against them this year, and unfortunately, see us struggling again next year.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2022 11:04:20 GMT -5
snapper, I am assuming that you are much, much closer to the Crusader baseball program than I am. But, you are right that the baseball and basketball situation at HC are "not even close to the same situation" but probably not for the reason you think. There are 2, possibly 3 sports considered "premiere" at alma mater: men's basketball, football and possibly women's basketball. Some might stretch that to men's and women's hockey (I don't). The rest are considered by most HC fans as "minor" (sometimes referred as "non-revenue" sports). Yes, we want them all to win; be competitive; and even challenge for championships. Baseball has not been a "big" sport at Holy Cross since the 1950's. It wasn't in the 60's when I was there and I've seen no evidence since that it's improved its status on campus despite the Hanover Field improvements. So, yes, Nelson played big time basketball and was an assistant at Marquette. And, unlike the baseball coach, he's getting paid very big bucks and among the highest paid staffers atop Mt. St. James. The baseball coach's salary isn't even on the radar. The expectations are and should be MUCH, MUCH greater for the basketball coach. Certainly understandable to be disappointed in how the baseball team has been doing and to want and expect improvement. But if Kit is going to give Nelson another year (or more), then the baseball coach needs that time too in order to turn things around. Hockey and baseball are on the same level behind FB and BB on the Sader '70 scale. But TPTB fund the maximum scholarships for hockey and no(?) scholarships for baseball. What's up with that? I'm questioning TPTB, not the Sader '70 scale.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2022 11:09:29 GMT -5
Per the HC website, for the season, 89 errors vs. 76 for opponents. Of those 89, 47 were by 3 players. No names being posted, not trying to single out specific players: A sophomore infielder had 24 errors A freshman infielder had 12 errors Another freshman infielder had 11 errors No surprise that infielders who generally get more chances made more errors. Also, all 3 young/inexperienced. In the games I watched, a specific outfield position was especially weak. Watched the Bryant game live and the player literally tripped over his own feet as the ball rolled to the fence. Not scored an error of course as he never touched the ball. Same player in other games misjudged balls, etc. that didn't go as errors. He seemed not only slow afoot but not especially accurate thrower but perhaps in there for his hitting? As for batting, saw too frequently some of our batters committing what I was taught was a cardinal sin, bat resting on the batter's shoulder as the pitch was thrown resulting in late swing and either a miss or a foul ball. Of course, I was also taught unless you were Willie Mays making a basket catch, you ALWAYS used both hands to catch a fly unless you absolutely couldn't. So, what do I know? I'll bet the baseball team next season will have more progress than the basketball team.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2022 11:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on May 15, 2022 13:45:01 GMT -5
No.2 seed Bucknell finished off Lehigh today 7-4 to sweep the series - Bison at AWP next weekend for the championship
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Post by snapper on May 15, 2022 22:23:45 GMT -5
My last post. Fielding the baseball is all about repetition. The more times you field the ball, the more it becomes routine. It was clear that there was not enough repetition in the off season. Being young is no excuse for poor defense. Hitting, yes a different story. If you don’t face 90-93 all the time, it takes time to get used to in the college game.
I understand that baseball is a 126th rate priority at HC. But this is a program that we could find an alum that bleeds purple to take over. And be better off. George Capen, Jimmy Sweeney, Brendan Akasian, all guys who coach at some level that would be a huge upgrade. Jason falcon is another candidate who never got a shot. Former assistants. Don’t know any of them personally, but would imagine if the job was posted maybe one would put in for it.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 15, 2022 23:08:15 GMT -5
My last post. Fielding the baseball is all about repetition. The more times you field the ball, the more it becomes routine. It was clear that there was not enough repetition in the off season. Being young is no excuse for poor defense. Hitting, yes a different story. If you don’t face 90-93 all the time, it takes time to get used to in the college game. I understand that baseball is a 126th rate priority at HC. But this is a program that we could find an alum that bleeds purple to take over. And be better off. George Capen, Jimmy Sweeney, Brendan Akasian, all guys who coach at some level that would be a huge upgrade. Jason falcon is another candidate who never got a shot. Former assistants. Don’t know any of them personally, but would imagine if the job was posted maybe one would put in for it. I guess everyone else is missing out on the Salem State head coach who is 36-29 over his first two seasons with the Vikings.
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