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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2021 15:24:26 GMT -5
Create a positive attitude is the biggest task. The biggest problem w/doing that is how many sports by definition will have poor records because the school is too small to support them. HC has much unused leverage in admissions and financial aid policies. The core FB members of the PL should get together and make adjustments. I'd like to see a nuts and bolts detail person take over for a decade or so and gain ground on peer schools that have a revolving door in the AD's office. The grumbling at the FB golf outing was a red flag and the school overall W/L record is an air raid siren that everything hasn't been running at peak efficiency with intermittent leadership. The institutional weakness of so many sports for so few students is valid but I'm not convinced we can't do better in areas that can be controlled.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 20, 2021 17:17:43 GMT -5
How will the new AD straighten out this athletic program ? will the ultimate candidate actually take a deep dive into the results of the last decade and ask for some concessions before accepting the job ? I hope so but fear not and since we have a systemic 'acceptance of losing' things might never change (of course I'm referring to our sports except football)
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 20, 2021 17:27:27 GMT -5
If you took the won-loss records of every HC varsity team for this century I would guess (yes, it's just a guess) that the winning percentage is about 37%. I think you either 1.) dramatically reduce the number of sports (I know you have to deal with Title IX), or 2.) do things differently (see suggestions by previous posters). We have a great school, an excellent faculty, a stunning campus, and excellent facilities but, except for the FB team, we're stuck in sub-mediocrity.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2021 18:41:16 GMT -5
If you took the won-loss records of every HC varsity team for this century I would guess (yes, it's just a guess) that the winning percentage is about 37%. I think you either 1.) dramatically reduce the number of sports (I know you have to deal with Title IX), or 2.) do things differently (see suggestions by previous posters). We have a great school, an excellent faculty, a stunning campus, and excellent facilities but, except for the FB team, we're stuck in sub-mediocrity. I'll vote for number two. How much of a drain on HC's budget is M&W tennis, golf, Cross country, etc.?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2021 18:50:14 GMT -5
#1 job spec: Do you have experience hiring a good men's basketball coach? Because we are zero for our last four.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2021 19:21:02 GMT -5
Red flags I noted before the last four hires.
SK: No head coaching experience. AD and HC administration seemed to place an unrealistic emphasis on the Notre Dame connection, as if HC could automatically upgrade it's academic, athletic and Catholic identity in one fell swoop by hiring an assistant basketball coach.
MB: Head coaching experience, but an overall losing record at low level D-1. Similar concern when we hired Coach Magarity for WBB.
BC:. Best prepared of the bunch I thought, but concerned with the emphasis on the connection to two top flight academic institutions in Princeton and Northwestern. The prestige doesn't rub off by hiring a fired former coach. I also thought the hire of a grizzled veteran with a similar demographic of RW might be a reach to recapture the Willard magic after two younger coaches couldn't. After four games in March it looked like it might have worked. But ultimately BC couldn't muster the drive of Chesney or the coaching analysis of RW.
BN: See SK, except Marquette is no Notre Dame. OJT for head coaching at the D-1 level is a crap shoot.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 20, 2021 19:26:38 GMT -5
When it comes to basketball, I’m convinced a winning D.2 coach would be the way to go (although I’m not giving up quite yet on this year’s team)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2021 21:13:50 GMT -5
If you took the won-loss records of every HC varsity team for this century I would guess (yes, it's just a guess) that the winning percentage is about 37%. I think you either 1.) dramatically reduce the number of sports (I know you have to deal with Title IX), or 2.) do things differently (see suggestions by previous posters). We have a great school, an excellent faculty, a stunning campus, and excellent facilities but, except for the FB team, we're stuck in sub-mediocrity. I'll vote for number two. How much of a drain on HC's budget is M&W tennis, golf, Cross country, etc.? My guess is those sports cost very little and even bring in some subsidy$$$ from the NCAA. They may even generate a disproportionate percentage of full pays
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2021 21:16:43 GMT -5
Let's keeps tabs on S OV's guy at Swarthmore
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 21, 2021 7:52:02 GMT -5
ADMB in the strategic plan for athletics, a plan which was undoubtedly blessed by the chair of the BoT's athletics committee, said that HC was not awarding enough scollies in the Olympic sports, compared to the other PL schools, and coaches needed to be paid more. Without rectifying this, HC would have mediocre W-L records in these sports.
Scollie $ all sports Boston Univ $16.9M (no football) Bucknell $14.9M (no ice hockey) Fordham $14.8M Colgate $14.3M Lehigh $13.9M HC $11.8M
HC includes about 27 scollies for ice hockey, Men's ice hockey is at the scollie cap, and the ladies, at the time of this report, were about half-way to the cap.
For HC: 60 football scollies, 27 ice hockey scollies, 26 hoops scollies = 113 scollies. 113 x $70,000 = $7.9 million. For all other sports, $3.9M in scollies.
Georgetown, with $0 for football scollies, and $0 for ice hockey scollies, awards $10.4M in scollie aid for its sports. If Georgetown awarded 60 football scollies, and played M/W ice hockey (36 scollies total) its scollie costs would be $6.7 million higher, for a total of $17.1 million
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2021 15:12:46 GMT -5
ADMB in the strategic plan for athletics, a plan which was undoubtedly blessed by the chair of the BoT's athletics committee, said that HC was not awarding enough scollies in the Olympic sports, compared to the other PL schools, and coaches needed to be paid more. Without rectifying this, HC would have mediocre W-L records in these sports. Scollie $ all sportsBoston Univ $16.9M (no football) Bucknell $14.9M (no ice hockey) Fordham $14.8M Colgate $14.3M Lehigh $13.9M HC $11.8M HC includes about 27 scollies for ice hockey, Men's ice hockey is at the scollie cap, and the ladies, at the time of this report, were about half-way to the cap. For HC: 60 football scollies, 27 ice hockey scollies, 26 hoops scollies = 113 scollies. 113 x $70,000 = $7.9 million. For all other sports, $3.9M in scollies. Georgetown, with $0 for football scollies, and $0 for ice hockey scollies, awards $10.4M in scollie aid for its sports. If Georgetown awarded 60 football scollies, and played M/W ice hockey (36 scollies total) its scollie costs would be $6.7 million higher, for a total of $17.1 million From a Financial point of view, the status quo is working for HC because we are filling up the rosters of the Olympic sports without having to pay much in athletic scholarships to get them filled. Looking at the large number of Olympic Sports athletes from prep/Catholic schools suggests a healthy level of full/high paying student athletes. The participation model is working, except for the hard to measure damage to the school by being doormats on the field of play year after year.
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Post by trimster on Nov 22, 2021 8:11:29 GMT -5
Let's keeps tabs on S OV's guy at Swarthmore I think someone pointed he is likely ticketed for Davidson. He is a 2000 grad and was an assistant there for I believe 6 years.
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Post by Ray on Nov 22, 2021 10:45:10 GMT -5
This old trope about leadership seems relevant to this job search:
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2021 11:08:36 GMT -5
HC includes about 27 scollies for ice hockey, Men's ice hockey is at the scollie cap, and the ladies, at the time of this report, were about half-way to the cap. For HC: 60 football scollies, 27 ice hockey scollies, 26 hoops scollies = 113 scollies. 113 x $70,000 = $7.9 million. For all other sports, $3.9M in scollies. Georgetown, with $0 for football scollies, and $0 for ice hockey scollies, awards $10.4M in scollie aid for its sports. If Georgetown awarded 60 football scollies, and played M/W ice hockey (36 scollies total) its scollie costs would be $6.7 million higher, for a total of $17.1 million Two points: 1. With scholarships and coaching, a school can become a national power overnight in the minor sports. Marshall is an example of this in men's soccer or Denver in men's lacrosse. Does HC want to be a national power in, say, golf? If so, a fully funded program is the first step in that direction. 2. Your citation of Georgetown raises a sizeable argument against scholarship football there. Georgetown has a total of ~ 62 men's scholarships, with 48 tied up in basketball, lacrosse, soccer, and track. Making an argument to double the number of scholarships institutionally for one sport does not guarantee national success; in fact, it might raise them above Bucknell, but maybe not even Lafayette, especially given the AI restrictions. (Finding a RB with a 1450 SAT is one thing, finding one that can actually make a difference quite another.) Taking those hypothetical 60 additional grants and fully funding baseball, golf, tennis, swimming, etc. raises those sports much faster.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2021 11:20:19 GMT -5
HC includes about 27 scollies for ice hockey, Men's ice hockey is at the scollie cap, and the ladies, at the time of this report, were about half-way to the cap. For HC: 60 football scollies, 27 ice hockey scollies, 26 hoops scollies = 113 scollies. 113 x $70,000 = $7.9 million. For all other sports, $3.9M in scollies. Georgetown, with $0 for football scollies, and $0 for ice hockey scollies, awards $10.4M in scollie aid for its sports. If Georgetown awarded 60 football scollies, and played M/W ice hockey (36 scollies total) its scollie costs would be $6.7 million higher, for a total of $17.1 million Two points: 1. With scholarships and coaching, a school can become a national power overnight in the minor sports. Marshall is an example of this in men's soccer or Denver in men's lacrosse. Does HC want to be a national power in, say, golf? If so, a fully funded program is the first step in that direction. 2. Your citation of Georgetown raises a sizeable argument against scholarship football there. Georgetown has a total of ~ 62 men's scholarships, with 48 tied up in basketball, lacrosse, soccer, and track. Making an argument to double the number of scholarships institutionally for one sport does not guarantee national success; in fact, it might raise them above Bucknell, but maybe not even Lafayette, especially given the AI restrictions. (Finding a RB with a 1450 SAT is one thing, finding one that can actually make a difference quite another.) Taking those hypothetical 60 additional grants and fully funding baseball, golf, tennis, swimming, etc. raises those sports much faster. HC wants to become a national power in golf when an alumnus endows the program with enough money to provide full M&W scholarships and hire a great coach. Your explanation of GU is helpful to understand why FB is so expensive and how even 60 scholarships would still only make them a typical PL team, not necessarily a national factor.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 22, 2021 13:47:59 GMT -5
Two points: 1. With scholarships and coaching, a school can become a national power overnight in the minor sports. Marshall is an example of this in men's soccer or Denver in men's lacrosse. Does HC want to be a national power in, say, golf? If so, a fully funded program is the first step in that direction. 2. Your citation of Georgetown raises a sizeable argument against scholarship football there. Georgetown has a total of ~ 62 men's scholarships, with 48 tied up in basketball, lacrosse, soccer, and track. Making an argument to double the number of scholarships institutionally for one sport does not guarantee national success; in fact, it might raise them above Bucknell, but maybe not even Lafayette, especially given the AI restrictions. (Finding a RB with a 1450 SAT is one thing, finding one that can actually make a difference quite another.) Taking those hypothetical 60 additional grants and fully funding baseball, golf, tennis, swimming, etc. raises those sports much faster. HC wants to become a national power in golf when an alumnus endows the program with enough money to provide full M&W scholarships and hire a great coach. Your explanation of GU is helpful to understand why FB is so expensive and how even 60 scholarships would still only make them a typical PL team, not necessarily a national factor. Do HC students have access to the local golf club? If not, I would hope an arrangement could be made. Some of us play or were played by a golf course. I have aged out with physical issues. Clubs are struggling across our nation. Maybe a surcharge for some students could be offered. A win, win. Golf is life.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 22, 2021 14:56:47 GMT -5
HC wants to become a national power in golf when an alumnus endows the program with enough money to provide full M&W scholarships and hire a great coach. Your explanation of GU is helpful to understand why FB is so expensive and how even 60 scholarships would still only make them a typical PL team, not necessarily a national factor. Do HC students have access to the local golf club? If not, I would hope an arrangement could be made. Some of us play or were played by a golf course. I have aged out with physical issues. Clubs are struggling across our nation. Maybe a surcharge for some students could be offered. A win, win. Golf is life. Not sure where you are going with your point, but I'd say HC spending the same amount of money encouraging and helping students play golf might be more beneficial than having a golf team.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 22, 2021 14:59:23 GMT -5
Do HC students have access to the local golf club? If not, I would hope an arrangement could be made. Some of us play or were played by a golf course. I have aged out with physical issues. Clubs are struggling across our nation. Maybe a surcharge for some students could be offered. A win, win. Golf is life. Not sure where you are going with your point, but I'd say HC spending the same amount of money encouraging and helping students play golf might be more beneficial than having a golf team. Yup!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 22, 2021 16:41:47 GMT -5
HC wants to become a national power in golf when an alumnus endows the program with enough money to provide full M&W scholarships and hire a great coach. Your explanation of GU is helpful to understand why FB is so expensive and how even 60 scholarships would still only make them a typical PL team, not necessarily a national factor. Do HC students have access to the local golf club? If not, I would hope an arrangement could be made. Some of us play or were played by a golf course. I have aged out with physical issues. Clubs are struggling across our nation. Maybe a surcharge for some students could be offered. A win, win. Golf is life. FADNP arranged for the Worcester Country Club to be HC's home course. There is also the new golf simulator in The Jo which is for the varsity teams exclusively.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2021 17:32:41 GMT -5
There is a nine hole (municipal?) course up the hill in Auburn. I remember articles about thorny ownership/management issues years ago. I wonder if HC ever looked into acquiring it? I suspect there would be pushback if they ever attempted to.
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Post by gks on Nov 22, 2021 17:41:10 GMT -5
There is a nine hole (municipal?) course up the hill in Auburn. I remember articles about thorny ownership/management issues years ago. I wonder if HC ever looked into acquiring it? I suspect there would be pushback if they ever attempted to. Pakachoag Golf Course.... It's owned by the Town of Auburn.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 22, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5
Home course? Do students have access? It would be great if they did.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2021 18:53:51 GMT -5
Home course? Do students have access? It would be great if they did. An inexpensive, but decent nine holes. I imagine it provides recreational opportunities for those in the campus community that choose to access it. I would think D-1 varsity Golf requires an 18 hole course, but not sure.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 22, 2021 19:30:33 GMT -5
Home course? Do students have access? It would be great if they did. An inexpensive, but decent nine holes. I imagine it provides recreational opportunities for those in the campus community that choose to access it. I would think D-1 varsity Golf requires an 18 hole course, but not sure. To host events, you would likely need 18 holes but there is no rule you NEED to have 18 holes to have a practice course.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 28, 2021 12:38:57 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit from the Miami (FL) AD search about these firms
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