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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2021 12:52:33 GMT -5
Search firms stink.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 29, 2021 12:39:23 GMT -5
In other words Turnkey wants to make an ethics call on the AD hire rather than have Miami do that, which they should (hey, it's their rep on the line, not some search firm's). I would imagine that's where their objection lies, Jurich having been the AD at Louisville during all the upheaval. Did HC at some point use the firm or the people mentioned here? assumption.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190514d2g6pg I wouldn't mind we went to the Assumption well again if necessary.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 29, 2021 13:08:25 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants?
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Post by aaa8316 on Nov 29, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants? Conflict of Interest 101 right there... Have a say in who your boss is? Not happening. My presumption of the Committee: - Board member who oversees athletics at HC. - Another Board member. - President (the AD's boss) - I'd guess 1-2 VP-roles from the academic side of campus. - At least 1 person from the fundraising side of campus. - At least 2 current SA's.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 14:09:41 GMT -5
In other words Turnkey wants to make an ethics call on the AD hire rather than have Miami do that, which they should (hey, it's their rep on the line, not some search firm's). I would imagine that's where their objection lies, Jurich having been the AD at Louisville during all the upheaval. Did HC at some point use the firm or the people mentioned here? assumption.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190514d2g6pg I wouldn't mind we went to the Assumption well again if necessary. No. From the announcement on the HC jobs website, HC is using a firm it has used before. ____________ The search is headed by the chair of the athletics committee. He played ice hockey at HC. There are at least two other members of the athletics committee who would notionally be involved in the search, as well as probably one or two members of the BoT's executive Committee. They are bringing finalists on to campus for interviews. I would expect that the interviewing would be done by no more than 3-4 members of the search committee.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 29, 2021 17:39:15 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants? Conflict of Interest 101 right there... Have a say in who your boss is? Not happening. My presumption of the Committee: - Board member who oversees athletics at HC. - Another Board member. - President (the AD's boss) - I'd guess 1-2 VP-roles from the academic side of campus. - At least 1 person from the fundraising side of campus. - At least 2 current SA's. Your right. The applicants shouldn't be in an interview with their prospective boss, Coach Chesney.😊
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 29, 2021 18:08:56 GMT -5
Thought I recall that Tim Gilmore was part of the interviewing team for Nate Pine’s hiring.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 29, 2021 18:23:34 GMT -5
I believe RW was the last Head Coach/Assistant (Associate?) AD. Time to return to that in Coach Chesney's next contract? Or is that too close to a conflict in today's litigious society?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 29, 2021 18:35:30 GMT -5
I had hoped they would make him an AD at some level, as was done with RW. It makes a higher salary possible and, IMHO, retention more likely.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 29, 2021 18:45:47 GMT -5
Why not have a panel of several coaches as part of the process? I think the idea that it would be a conflict of interest is exaggerated
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Post by timholycross on Nov 29, 2021 18:58:46 GMT -5
In other words Turnkey wants to make an ethics call on the AD hire rather than have Miami do that, which they should (hey, it's their rep on the line, not some search firm's). I would imagine that's where their objection lies, Jurich having been the AD at Louisville during all the upheaval. Did HC at some point use the firm or the people mentioned here? assumption.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190514d2g6pg I wouldn't mind we went to the Assumption well again if necessary. No. From the announcement on the HC jobs website, HC is using a firm it has used before. ____________ The search is headed by the chair of the athletics committee. He played ice hockey at HC. There are at least two other members of the athletics committee who would notionally be involved in the search, as well as probably one or two members of the BoT's executive Committee. They are bringing finalists on to campus for interviews. I would expect that the interviewing would be done by no more than 3-4 members of the search committee. Excuse me, should have clarified more. Was wondering what kind of search committee, if any, they used when they hired Nelson. O'Connor was a former hoop coach; in fact, he succeeded George Blaney at Dartmouth when George came to HC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 19:15:35 GMT -5
No. From the announcement on the HC jobs website, HC is using a firm it has used before. ____________ The search is headed by the chair of the athletics committee. He played ice hockey at HC. There are at least two other members of the athletics committee who would notionally be involved in the search, as well as probably one or two members of the BoT's executive Committee. They are bringing finalists on to campus for interviews. I would expect that the interviewing would be done by no more than 3-4 members of the search committee. Excuse me, should have clarified more. Was wondering what kind of search committee, if any, they used when they hired Nelson. O'Connor was a former hoop coach; in fact, he succeeded George Blaney at Dartmouth when George came to HC. IIRC, Blossom said he used the same search consultants that HC had used when hiring him, and, again IIRC, BC had also used this firm. I do not believe there was a search committee comprised of members of the BoT, but I believe the chair of the BoT and perhaps other BoT members interviewed finalists.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 29, 2021 21:11:20 GMT -5
Excuse me, should have clarified more. Was wondering what kind of search committee, if any, they used when they hired Nelson. O'Connor was a former hoop coach; in fact, he succeeded George Blaney at Dartmouth when George came to HC. IIRC, Blossom said he used the same search consultants that HC had used when hiring him, and, again IIRC, BC had also used this firm. I do not believe there was a search committee comprised of members of the BoT, but I believe the chair of the BoT and perhaps other BoT members interviewed finalists. No mention of Father B. involvement indicating recent HC Presidents have been disengaged with Athletics and there is no road map in place for Vince to follow?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 21:24:44 GMT -5
IIRC, Blossom said he used the same search consultants that HC had used when hiring him, and, again IIRC, BC had also used this firm. I do not believe there was a search committee comprised of members of the BoT, but I believe the chair of the BoT and perhaps other BoT members interviewed finalists. No mention of Father B. involvement indicating recent HC Presidents have been disengaged with Athletics and there is no road map in place for Vince to follow? My recollection is that Fr. B had met with one or more finalists. Do you think Fr. B. interviewed prospective faculty hires? Why should he interview coaching candidates? The College is paying good money to those who comprise TPTB, i.e., the President's Cabinet, of whom the AD is one, to do the hiring and firing. (That's not to say that when firing a coach has significant financial consequents, TPTB would not be consulted/involved.) The only aberration in the hiring process in athletics that I am a bit familiar with, is when the Harvard AD had members of the basketball team interview candidates to succeed the coach who was let go, and the hire that resulted was Amaker.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 29, 2021 21:56:29 GMT -5
I have the same recollection as Phreek about Fr. B's involvement and if memory serves, Marcus thanked him at his introductory press conference and strongly implied that he was directly involved. Now perhaps that just meant that he signed off on the hire but that wasn't my impression.
Not sure if they run the place like a business but my experience is the president would interview the last 2-3 finalists and then concur with the recommendation being made by subordinates unless he/she had some really serious reservations but would never simply be uninvolved.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 29, 2021 23:50:22 GMT -5
No mention of Father B. involvement indicating recent HC Presidents have been disengaged with Athletics and there is no road map in place for Vince to follow? My recollection is that Fr. B had met with one or more finalists. Do you think Fr. B. interviewed prospective faculty hires? Why should he interview coaching candidates? The College is paying good money to those who comprise TPTB, i.e., the President's Cabinet, of whom the AD is one, to do the hiring and firing. (That's not to say that when firing a coach has significant financial consequents, TPTB would not be consulted/involved.) The only aberration in the hiring process in athletics that I am a bit familiar with, is when the Harvard AD had members of the basketball team interview candidates to succeed the coach who was let go, and the hire that resulted was Amaker. I got confused and was thinking about the AD hire, which was shortly before the BB hire. I think the President should be involved in the AD choice and should have an informed sign off on the selection. I'd love to see a President of a small 3000 student college like HC be involved in and have the final sign off for the head coaches of the major revenue sports, but I guess if he doesn't sign off on Professor hires he wouldn't on coaches either.
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Post by Tom on Nov 30, 2021 8:13:48 GMT -5
Home course? Do students have access? It would be great if they did. An inexpensive, but decent nine holes. I imagine it provides recreational opportunities for those in the campus community that choose to access it. I would think D-1 varsity Golf requires an 18 hole course, but not sure. "Decent" is being kind. Fine for a bunch of college kids to get some swings in. A horrible place for a D-I program to use as a practice facility. My most recent information is that HC practices at Blackstone National, a public course down the road in Sutton, MA
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2021 8:16:31 GMT -5
Considering that the basketball head coach is the highest paid employee (outside of the now gone investment guy), I guarantee you that the president would have the ultimate authority on hiring but most likely defers to those who he thinks has greater expertise. Would be shocked if he didn’t at least meet with the prospective head coach before final sign off.
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Post by alum on Nov 30, 2021 8:29:12 GMT -5
Why not have a panel of several coaches as part of the process? I think the idea that it would be a conflict of interest is exaggerated I have not interviewed for a job in more than thirty years, but my wife and kids have for a variety of positions, including several in higher ed. There are always panels. I would think that, in addition to the committee and administrators, an AD candidate would interview with a panel of 2 or 3 non revenue coaches, and with the football and basketball coaches, perhaps individually. There is a value to the institution to allow people to have input no matter how little it might be. Additionally, an AD candidate might want to meet the coaches in order to decide if he or she wants to accept an offer. I would guess that the president has the final say as to the hire after considering the recommendation of the committee. As to coaches, I would hope that the president would have a veto over the head basketball and football coaches and no involvement in the others.
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Post by lowerkimball on Nov 30, 2021 9:44:38 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants? During the previous AD search which resulted in MB's hiring, each of the three finalists met with all of the sitting head coaches at the time for an open forum type interview. The candidates were MB, an associate AD at another PL school, and the current AD at Merrimack. IIRC, the sitting head coaches actually went back to the hiring committee after these open forum interviews with all 3 candidates and suggested bringing IAD Brendan Sullivan in for a final round interview. BS had previously been offered an airport interview as a courtesy but did not make the final on campus interviews. The coaches felt that it would better serve the athletic department to keep continuity within the leadership of the department and that none of the outside candidates brought any more to the table than BS did. They would have also kept an administrator who knew the ins and outs of HC and had previous AD experience at Stonehill. Obviously the search committee did not grant their request and ended up hiring MB but interesting to look back on several years later with how MB's illustrious tenure turned out.
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Post by aaa8316 on Nov 30, 2021 10:46:34 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants? During the previous AD search which resulted in MB's hiring, each of the three finalists met with all of the sitting head coaches at the time for an open forum type interview. The candidates were MB, an associate AD at another PL school, and the current AD at Merrimack. IIRC, the sitting head coaches actually went back to the hiring committee after these open forum interviews with all 3 candidates and suggested bringing IAD Brendan Sullivan in for a final round interview. BS had previously been offered an airport interview as a courtesy but did not make the final on campus interviews. The coaches felt that it would better serve the athletic department to keep continuity within the leadership of the department and that none of the outside candidates brought any more to the table than BS did. They would have also kept an administrator who knew the ins and outs of HC and had previous AD experience at Stonehill. Obviously the search committee did not grant their request and ended up hiring MB but interesting to look back on several years later with how MB's illustrious tenure turned out. I was good until I read "several". Haha, MB was a joke from start to finish in the months he was at HC. Stay tuned Crossports warriors -- apparently on campus interviews were to conclude by November 30th.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 30, 2021 12:33:06 GMT -5
Will Coach Chesney be part of the interview committee for the job applicants? Conflict of Interest 101 right there... Have a say in who your boss is? Not happening. My presumption of the Committee: - Board member who oversees athletics at HC. - Another Board member. - President (the AD's boss) - I'd guess 1-2 VP-roles from the academic side of campus. - At least 1 person from the fundraising side of campus. - At least 2 current SA's. Players were involved in hiring coaches at HC in the past...
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 30, 2021 12:35:54 GMT -5
An inexpensive, but decent nine holes. I imagine it provides recreational opportunities for those in the campus community that choose to access it. I would think D-1 varsity Golf requires an 18 hole course, but not sure. "Decent" is being kind. Fine for a bunch of college kids to get some swings in. A horrible place for a D-I program to use as a practice facility. My most recent information is that HC practices at Blackstone National, a public course down the road in Sutton, MA Blackstone is used often by the area D3 schools when they have to host. It is MUCH better than that cow track in Auburn.
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Post by aaa8316 on Nov 30, 2021 12:40:44 GMT -5
Conflict of Interest 101 right there... Have a say in who your boss is? Not happening. My presumption of the Committee: - Board member who oversees athletics at HC. - Another Board member. - President (the AD's boss) - I'd guess 1-2 VP-roles from the academic side of campus. - At least 1 person from the fundraising side of campus. - At least 2 current SA's. Players were involved in hiring coaches at HC in the past... Meeting with candidates for a discussion vs. holding a formal position on a hiring committee are two different things. Short of Sir Chesney, how many coaching hires of HC's high-profile sports are we celebrating today?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 30, 2021 15:09:21 GMT -5
Considering that the basketball head coach is the highest paid employee (outside of the now gone investment guy), I guarantee you that the president would have the ultimate authority on hiring but most likely defers to those who he thinks has greater expertise. Would be shocked if he didn’t at least meet with the prospective head coach before final sign off. I hope the BB coach becomes the third highest paid employee behind Coach Chesney and President Rougeau. BN can't make more than the President can he? I hope MB didn't pay BN the same salary for no head coaching experience as Coach Carmody received after decades of D-1 head coaching experience.
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