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Post by longsuffering on Oct 21, 2021 17:41:56 GMT -5
Is it remotely possible that HC merely does not want to emphasize its athletics to the degree of other schools such as the state universities and private schools in the CAA & BE? God bless Villanova which over the years has established a fine reputation for its academics. This is not a knock on the academics of these schools but more of a philosophical statement about the size, the importance, the role of athletics in the life of the school. In addition, at which point do colleges reach diminishing returns in terms of costs and integrity of their academic standards? No offense to anybody. My roommate was a highly recruited athlete and a superior student who is an attorney. Athletes are not a priori sub par students.I respect and honor any alum, non-athlete or athlete, who has a degree from our fine college. However, IM(not so)HO it is a question of emphasis. Villanova, BC, Fordham, Loyola and Georgetown are the Jesuit Universities in the five major cities in the Boston-Washington Corridor. I would rank them 1) BC, 2) Villanova, 3) Georgetown, 4) Fordham and 5) Loyola in order of how well they have been able to integrate athletic success to enhance their University and local communities. Georgetown has top BB but are neither fish nor fowl as a non-scholarship D-1 Football program. Villanova has top BB and competitive FCS FB. BC has top hockey and is in a top league for BB and FB. Fordham has poor BB and competitive FB in a lower league. Loyola has BB in a lower league. HC is neither a University or located in a major league city, but has won a lower league in FB twice in a row and going for three with currently poor BB and hockey in lower leagues. How's that jive with your evaluation? HC has the most continuity with BB and FB in the same league for the longest stretch if that means anything, which is a small positive to me.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 21, 2021 17:45:51 GMT -5
When did Villanova become Jesuit? And as far as I'm concerned, Georgetown is "JINO" (Jesuit in Name Only).
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 21, 2021 18:05:37 GMT -5
When did Villanova become Jesuit? And as far as I'm concerned, Georgetown is "JINO" (Jesuit in Name Only). Oops, I guess the Jesuits forgot to populate the city of brotherly love. "JINO" is a new one. Bishop McManus would include HC in that category.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 21, 2021 18:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 21, 2021 18:22:58 GMT -5
You have forgotten St. Joseph’s University. In Philadelphia. OK, let's give them credit for good BB but no FB. I would put them ahead of Loyola but behind Fordham because of Fordham FB. I am mildly fuzzy about what order founded all the Catholic colleges. Basically HC gives the campus and community three main Spectator sports over five teams (no women's FB) with a bunch of other sports with free admission. What we need to do is start winning consistently.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 21, 2021 18:41:57 GMT -5
The good Bishop McManus never claimed HC was not a Jesuit Institution. He did imply that we were no longer "Catholic" because we honored a contract that included an LGBT group as one of the local charities. I at the time applauded HC for defending freedom of speech.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 21, 2021 19:28:30 GMT -5
Our first match since the NIT?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 21, 2021 19:38:05 GMT -5
The good Bishop McManus never claimed HC was not a Jesuit Institution. He did imply that we were no longer "Catholic" because we honored a contract that included an LGBT group as one of the local charities. I at the time applauded HC for defending freedom of speech. Bishop McManus is one of the top Bishops...of the 1950s.🙂 What a great decade to be a Catholic Bishop. Ethnic families were having baby after baby, moving to the suburbs, filling Catholic Churches, Schools and Hospitals staffed by thriving orders of Sisters and Brothers, with two three or four Priests in every Rectory. It takes more of a Diplomat and a Collaborator to be a Catholic Bishop today.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 21, 2021 20:21:59 GMT -5
Yet another thread completely off the rails.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 21, 2021 21:02:08 GMT -5
This is Crossports....the board also known as the DeRailers, that in amusement of the masses.....thrives on stream of conscience.
I blame it all on a generation required to read James Joyce. 🤣 Scared for life. 🤣
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 21, 2021 21:10:54 GMT -5
This is Crossports....the board also known as the DeRailers, that in amusement of the masses.....thrives on stream of conscience. I blame it all on a generation required to read James Joyce. 🤣 Scared for life. 🤣 This is one more thing that separates this fine school from others. Most work on a "stream of consciousness" but, in the Jesuit Catholic tradition, our board thrives on a "stream of conscience".
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 21, 2021 21:21:02 GMT -5
On Sunday mornings, after the Saturday night escapades on Easy Street, very few were conscience.....
Unfortunately, auto correct made the unintended change and I did not “Catch it in the Rye”, before posting. 😊
My original typing had “stream of consciousness”, but I like the Jesuit Catholic reference. Too funny 😂
If this keeps up, it could be the Yogi Berra thread, or is that Yogi Bear.....
Only on Crossports......
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 21, 2021 21:25:42 GMT -5
Crossports is a manifestation of a latter day Holy Cross tradition going back at least to my father's day in the late 30's- early '40's when Crusaders would gather and discuss wide ranging, disparate topics in what they called "bull sessions." These sessions would range far and wide and not limited to the initial subject at hand.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 21, 2021 22:58:13 GMT -5
When did Villanova become Jesuit? And as far as I'm concerned, Georgetown is "JINO" (Jesuit in Name Only). Georgetown caught a lot of grief on boards such as this when it hired a lay president in 2001. Today, that's fairly standard in Catholic education in no small part because orders like the SJ's are not trained to run businesses, and running a $1 billion non-profit enterprise may not always be their strong suit. And, of course, there's a segment out there that considers nearly all Catholic colleges, including HC, as borderline heretical, and that the only "true" Catholic schools are places like Steubenville and Ave Maria.
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Post by gerry on Oct 22, 2021 5:47:52 GMT -5
Merrimack is a full member of the NEC, so they are out. Ditto Bryant, Sacred Heart, St. Francis, and CCSU as potential candidates. Monmouth being a MAAC school could be a possibility. The seven state schools (I forgot URI) wouldn't need the private schools to join for a NCAA bid so good luck. We would have much better luck getting into the America East than getting into the CAA (if the school were even interested). And UMASS and UCONN haven't announced a drop to FCS yet. Anyway, Colgate's out, URI is in here in my ten-team league.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2021 5:56:34 GMT -5
You dont think Merrimack would leave the NEC as an all-sports member to become an all-sports member of America East, with football included?
They would.
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Post by gerry on Oct 22, 2021 6:02:58 GMT -5
Also, per the NCAA, a conference cannot sponsor football, or any other sport, unless there are six full members. When PSU moved their hockey program to D1, the Big Ten was able to field their own hockey conference. With only UNH, Maine, Albany, and Stony Brook as full members who sponsor football, the America East would need to add two full members. UMass, UConn, and URI are clearly not options. The NEC supported Merrimack's foray into D1 athletics, so whether they can screw them over so quickly legally or ethically would be a question. That would leave Holy Cross and Colgate (or theoretically Monmouth) to leave the Patriot for America East for all sports which wouldn't make sense.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2021 7:10:44 GMT -5
Also, per the NCAA, a conference cannot sponsor football, or any other sport, unless there are six full members. When PSU moved their hockey program to D1, the Big Ten was able to field their own hockey conference. With only UNH, Maine, Albany, and Stony Brook as full members who sponsor football, the America East would need to add two full members. UMass, UConn, and URI are clearly not options. The NEC supported Merrimack's foray into D1 athletics, so whether they can screw them over so quickly legally or ethically would be a question. That would leave Holy Cross and Colgate (or theoretically Monmouth) to leave the Patriot for America East for all sports which wouldn't make sense. Holy Cross to the A-East is a move I wouldn't hate, assuming the theoretical football conference were to take flight. Just sayin'. Hell of a lot better than going to the MAAC. Monmouth is going to the CAA if they go anywhere. Until then, it seems like their current situation (MAAC / Big South Football) is working out for them in the meantime. I think the "6 full members" rule may not apply to football. The Patriot League only has five full members playing football plus two affiliates. CAA same -- I believe 5 full members playing football. Prior to the CAA taking over the banner, the A-10 sponsored the conference with only UMASS, URI and Richmond as full members.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2021 7:23:30 GMT -5
Our first match since the NIT? We played a home and home with them under RW afterwards. Upset win in Philly in November 2007 and then a home win (Hart sellout) the following year with Cousy and Heinsohn in the building.
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Post by gerry on Oct 22, 2021 7:24:47 GMT -5
Playing the old Yankee Conference opponents would definitely be more interesting from a football standpoint than Bucknell, Georgetown, and Lafayette. Hoop games against UNH, Maine, Binghamton, etc maybe not so much, but not much difference from an interest standpoint. U of Hartford's tentative departure in a few years might open the door some. CCSU has a lot more in common with the America East than the NEC, but is in the NEC due to football. I could see America East trying to pair them with another football playing school (probably Bryant or Merrimack, but I'm sure Holy Cross in an ideal world) to get to six. Even if Hartford changes their mind and stays D1, AE could still expand to 12 and split into two divisions, though Stony Brook has been eyeing the CAA for a while. Maine especially would love a more regional football conference.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2021 7:26:11 GMT -5
When did Villanova become Jesuit? And as far as I'm concerned, Georgetown is "JINO" (Jesuit in Name Only). Georgetown caught a lot of grief on boards such as this when it hired a lay president in 2001. Today, that's fairly standard in Catholic education in no small part because orders like the SJ's are not trained to run businesses, and running a $1 billion non-profit enterprise may not always be their strong suit. And, of course, there's a segment out there that considers nearly all Catholic colleges, including HC, as borderline heretical, and that the only "true" Catholic schools are places like Steubenville and Ave Maria.Would your football rival Catholic University be considered a heretical lay institution or a "true" Catholic school?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2021 7:33:39 GMT -5
Playing the old Yankee Conference opponents would definitely be more interesting from a football standpoint than Bucknell, Georgetown, and Lafayette. Hoop games against UNH, Maine, Binghamton, etc maybe not so much, but not much difference from an interest standpoint. U of Hartford's tentative departure in a few years might open the door some. CCSU has a lot more in common with the America East than the NEC, but is in the NEC due to football. I could see America East trying to pair them with another football playing school (probably Bryant or Merrimack, but I'm sure Holy Cross in an ideal world) to get to six. Even if Hartford changes their mind and stays D1, AE could still expand to 12 and split into two divisions, though Stony Brook has been eyeing the CAA for a while. Maine especially would love a more regional football conference. How about hoop games against Albany and Vermont? And Binghamton has been mired in scandal and a Holy Cross-esque decade-long cycle of really bad basketball. However, they still manage to draw 4K plus per game. Binghamton would be a fun place to see a game if two good teams were playing. I enjoy PL football more so than PL basketball without a doubt. But a New England-based league would be great for both IMO.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 22, 2021 8:02:20 GMT -5
Hoya, I knew I ran the risk of offending you in my post and that's why I did 2 things: 1. create a new acronym never before used as far as I know (JINO) and 2. a big laughing emoji. I have great respect for Georgetown but while a very minute sampling, my trip to campus with my son as he explored colleges back in '94, I'm pretty sure you still had a Jesuit president at the time but, as I posted before, was surprised to the point of almost shocked (few things do) that the tour guide emphasized how welcoming they were to Muslims, Protestants, non-believers, etc. over the Catholicism of the school. And it was just my son and me on the tour. Maybe she assumed since we were coming from Ohio that we weren't Catholic.
Yes, while I shouldn't have been, was surprised at the GU lay president but certainly don't hold that against GU. My other son's alma mater, Fairfield, also went the layman's route and Holy Cross is now in a glass house and can't throw rocks there either. And Wheeling Jesuit where my cousin went, abandoned the whole thing.
More through IVC than even Holy Cross, I've come to know a lot of Jesuits - mostly older ones, most retired - and they are a dying breed, at least in the U.S. so there aren't many to pick from as president of a college or university. It's the future but glad to see if we had to go the layman route that we got someone like Vince.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 22, 2021 10:07:32 GMT -5
I spoke to a BC administrator a week or so ago, and he still thought the next BC president would be a Jesuit- there certainly are a few more for them to choose from there because the School of Theology is part of their campus. However, I'm also of the mind that there may be one more Jesuit president there, but no more than that.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 22, 2021 11:27:20 GMT -5
I think the real question is once a Jesuit educational institution goes to a lay person, is there any chance a succeeding president might go back to being a Jesuit or is it a one-way street?
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