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Post by longsuffering on Oct 25, 2021 17:05:01 GMT -5
Yes, Buffalo, Ohio, UMass are solid names. Western Kentucky, Buffalo, Akron, Ohio, Toledo, and Kent State have all been good in basketball and even Eastern Michigan has a good year for time to time. What is the sense of supporting football half a$$. We need to commit to a conference. The MAC had an NCAA and 2 NIT invites. Add Western Kentucky and UMass, it makes a strong 1 bid conference stronger. There's getting to be enough FBS independents to form a conference. Of course ND wouldn't join, but if the independents could pick off a couple of orphaned schools after all the Conference musical chairs, they could start their own FBS FB league. Does that concept ever come up?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 25, 2021 20:26:39 GMT -5
Yes, Buffalo, Ohio, UMass are solid names. Western Kentucky, Buffalo, Akron, Ohio, Toledo, and Kent State have all been good in basketball and even Eastern Michigan has a good year for time to time. What is the sense of supporting football half a$$. We need to commit to a conference. The MAC had an NCAA and 2 NIT invites. Add Western Kentucky and UMass, it makes a strong 1 bid conference stronger. There's getting to be enough FBS independents to form a conference. Of course ND wouldn't join, but if the independents could pick off a couple of orphaned schools after all the Conference musical chairs, they could start their own FBS FB league. Does that concept ever come up? It's more complicated than it seems, at least under today's current bylaws. In order to form a new FBS football conferences, you need at least 8 schools to be a full-time member of that conference. This gets complicated when you have schools like UCONN, that aren't going to join this league as full members. Some form of eastern seaboard G5-level league could very well form after the power schools break off and form their own division.
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 26, 2021 14:32:22 GMT -5
Monmouth looks like one of the front-runners to join the CAA
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Post by timholycross on Oct 26, 2021 15:14:18 GMT -5
Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern, Delaware and 2 more
W&M, CoCh, UNCW, Elon, Towson and 1 more
Someone (Towson) has to travel a lot to get to the other schools in their division. They'd be better off adding a second southern school, keeping Towson in the North and just Monmouth.
I don't see where Fairfield brings anything to the table with that group.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 26, 2021 16:12:04 GMT -5
Anyone with Jesuits will bring something to the table.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 27, 2021 9:01:26 GMT -5
Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern, Delaware and 2 more W&M, CoCh, UNCW, Elon, Towson and 1 more Someone (Towson) has to travel a lot to get to the other schools in their division. They'd be better off adding a second southern school, keeping Towson in the North and just Monmouth. I don't see where Fairfield brings anything to the table with that group. Fairfield would bring a footprint in the state of CT, would bridge geogrpahical gap very nicely between Hofstra and Northeastern and already has a relationship with the CAA via affiliate membership in lacrosse.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2021 10:23:05 GMT -5
What am I missing? Appears that this is discussion about football and is in the football thread.
Fairfield doesn't have a football team. Otherwise they might have been a consideration for the PL.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 27, 2021 10:31:07 GMT -5
What am I missing? Appears that this is discussion about football and is in the football thread. Fairfield doesn't have a football team. Otherwise they might have been a consideration for the PL. The PL is completely reactive when it comes to football. The only real changes have been to replace those who left: Fordham for Davidson, Georgetown for Towson. At some point, someone else will leave and the PL has no "Plan A" or "Plan B" on what to do. This is the problem facing Conference USA right now.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2021 11:14:17 GMT -5
I understand that and don't disagree with you but the discussion was a possibility of Fairfield going to CAA. Fairfield gave up their football program and based on my knowledge of the school (son is an alum, I am a regular donor and get all kinds of communications from the university), they would prefer be in the PL than the CAA because they are very conscious of their academic reputation and rankings which I believe would bend them toward the PL than CAA. Not to say individual schools in the CAA are not very superior but top to bottom, the PL is second only to the IL. My impression is that for all the issues Holy Cross fans have about woeful athletic performance, Fairfield would love to have our problems and would trade the athletics for the academic reputation (yes, that gets us down the actual or perceived fall off of HC academic reputation).
If they wouldn't bring football back to possibly get into the PL, they won't do it for the CAA. Just my opinion. Presumably CAA wouldn't consider the Stags w/o football.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 27, 2021 11:27:14 GMT -5
The CAA has more than enough football members. UNC Greensboro is also being considered for CAA membership and they don't have football either.
All things considered, Monmouth may well end up being a great option if CAA looking for a strong addition in both football AND basketball.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 27, 2021 11:29:23 GMT -5
What am I missing? Appears that this is discussion about football and is in the football thread. Fairfield doesn't have a football team. Otherwise they might have been a consideration for the PL. The discussion has evolved into "who will replace JMU in the CAA?". And the answer to that question may be a school that doesn't have a football team. Hence why Fairfield has come up in the discussion.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Oct 27, 2021 12:36:37 GMT -5
MU has an outstanding basketball arena.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 27, 2021 18:51:36 GMT -5
Seems like one football team to replace the one they are losing and two non-football members so they'd have 12 for basketball and two divisions.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2021 19:21:19 GMT -5
I understand that and don't disagree with you but the discussion was a possibility of Fairfield going to CAA. Fairfield gave up their football program and based on my knowledge of the school (son is an alum, I am a regular donor and get all kinds of communications from the university), they would prefer be in the PL than the CAA because they are very conscious of their academic reputation and rankings which I believe would bend them toward the PL than CAA. Not to say individual schools in the CAA are not very superior but top to bottom, the PL is second only to the IL. My impression is that for all the issues Holy Cross fans have about woeful athletic performance, Fairfield would love to have our problems and would trade the athletics for the academic reputation (yes, that gets us down the actual or perceived fall off of HC academic reputation). If they wouldn't bring football back to possibly get into the PL, they won't do it for the CAA. Just my opinion. Presumably CAA wouldn't consider the Stags w/o football. My eldest son is a Fairfield grad. as an alum, he saw them start to rebuild a football program and then, after spending a good deal of money, chuck it all. He was not the only alum who was really angry about the way that was handled.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2021 19:28:35 GMT -5
And my son's roommate was on the Stag football team that played and lost at Fitton. They cancelled football what seemed to be a very quick decision (at Holy Cross we'd pay some consultant huge amounts of money to study it first) but they did honor my son's roommate's football scholarship through graduation.
Not sure that the Fairfield folks were as upset about losing football as the Providence folks were about losing baseball.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2021 19:54:46 GMT -5
Tough comparison. Neither was a popular move.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 27, 2021 20:45:37 GMT -5
A few years back there was talk of dropping football among some alums. Nonetheless, I expect HC will field a football team win or lose at some level for many years. However, given the lack of student interest at colleges across the nation(excepting the Big 5 & ND) as evidenced by the low student attendance numbers and costs I could easily see a future mass extinction in which football would be reduced to a club activity on some open field. Hopefully, if this happens it would be far off into the future
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Post by gks on Oct 27, 2021 20:49:23 GMT -5
A few years back there was talk of dropping football among some alums. Nonetheless, I expect HC will field a football team win or lose at some level for many years. However, given the lack of student interest at colleges across the nation(excepting the Big 5 & ND) as evidenced by the low student attendance numbers and costs I could easily see a future mass extinction in which football would be reduced to a club activity on some open field. Hopefully, if this happens it would be far off into the future If you're going by the support metric then basketball should be chopped first. Football draws rather well and has much, much higher alumni support.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 28, 2021 7:00:41 GMT -5
I love the idea of restarting the Yankee Conference and welcoming UConn and UMass to join. That being said, Virginia is gorgeous this time of year. Let's go CAA!
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 28, 2021 11:56:08 GMT -5
MPLGA! Make the PL great again? 😊
How did the PL rank as an FCS conference during the Duffner years - did they even rank the FCS conferences back then?
Isn't it less disruptive to add three scholarships and tweak the current limited medical red shirts than to switch conferences after 35 years?
Does the PL enduring as a real working partnership have value in a world of every college for itself and knifing long term neighbor institutions in the back to grab a little more TV money?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 28, 2021 12:17:58 GMT -5
The Yankee Conference still exists today. Just has a different name now. Starts with a C, ends with an A.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 28, 2021 13:03:23 GMT -5
The Yankee Conference still exists today. Just has a different name now. Starts with a C, ends with an A. Didn't realize when they added all the southern schools to the football league it was still called the Yankee Conference for a while. So, correct you are.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 28, 2021 18:27:12 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Oct 28, 2021 18:45:14 GMT -5
It even gives Umass and UConn a landing spot if they ever get sick of getting beaten like a gong.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 28, 2021 20:55:37 GMT -5
Looks a zillion times better than PL football. America East Football Maine New Hampshire Rhode Island Holy Cross Stony Brook Albany Fordham Colgate Patriot League Football Bucknell Lehigh Lafayette Delaware Villlanova Towson William and Mary Elon Richmond Georgetown
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