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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 3, 2021 6:03:14 GMT -5
The "Power Five" conferences are not defined as such by the NCAA and the origin of the term is unknown. Which are the only two schools among the 65 members of these five conferences (SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 12) who have never won a national championship in any sport? Going to guess Washington State and Kansas State. Almost guessed Mississippi State but remembered Rafael Palmeiro and Will Clark were on the baseball team there in the mid-80's and I believe won a CWS.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 3, 2021 7:20:21 GMT -5
How about Virginia Tech?
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 3, 2021 7:23:55 GMT -5
Definitely Va Tech and maybe KSU? I had Wahoo football season tickets for a few years when I lived in Virginia and they had a chant about Tech never winning a title. I don't think they have in the 6 years I've been out of Virginia.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 3, 2021 8:26:56 GMT -5
Wouldn't have guessed VT just because they sponsor a pretty decent amount of minor sports. However, Tech didn't really become a "power conference" school until the Big East was formed. They were in the Southern Conference until the late 1970's with the likes of William & Mary, Richmond, VMI, The Citadel and East Carolina.
Another school that one would think to br a popular guess is West Virginia. However, IIRC they have a nationally-renown rifle team.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 3, 2021 8:33:13 GMT -5
Wouldn't have guessed VT just because they sponsor a pretty decent amount of minor sports. However, Tech didn't really become a "power conference" school until the Big East was formed. They were in the Southern Conference until the late 1970's with the likes of William & Mary, Richmond, VMI, The Citadel and East Carolina. Another school that one would think to br a popular guess is West Virginia. However, IIRC they have a nationally-renown rifle team. And they make some mean moonshine!!
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Post by HC92 on Nov 3, 2021 8:34:40 GMT -5
Without going over to Boneyard to see what those whackos are yelling about, I have to say that no casual Connecticut sports fans will think that Conference USA is any more appealing than the AAC or the independent route. If it’s football only, the only question is whether it’s better than trying to survive in Storrs, CT as an independent FBS football school. I don’t foresee a scenario where UConn leaves the Big East for other sports unless they get a P5 invite which seems highly unlikely.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 3, 2021 9:01:48 GMT -5
Without going over to Boneyard to see what those whackos are yelling about, I have to say that no casual Connecticut sports fans will think that Conference USA is any more appealing than the AAC or the independent route. If it’s football only, the only question is whether it’s better than trying to survive in Storrs, CT as an independent FBS football school. I don’t foresee a scenario where UConn leaves the Big East for other sports unless they get a P5 invite which seems highly unlikely. The thing about C-USA right now is that their primary objective is to ensure they have enough all-sports members to survive as a Division I conference. Neither UConn or UMass help in this regard as both would be football affiliates. Neither school would make the league a stronger football conference so just seems like a bad marriage to me. UConn and UMass better off remaining independent IMO - doesn't seem like they've had a problem filling up schedules. I don't see UConn leaving the Big East unless somehow they mend fences with BC and get invited to the ACC down the line.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 3, 2021 9:23:09 GMT -5
If it’s football only, the only question is whether it’s better than trying to survive in Storrs, CT as an independent FBS football school. I don’t foresee a scenario where UConn leaves the Big East for other sports unless they get a P5 invite which seems highly unlikely. The thing about C-USA right now is that their primary objective is to ensure they have enough all-sports members to survive as a Division I conference. Neither UConn or UMass help in this regard as both would be football affiliates. Neither school would make the league a stronger football conference so just seems like a bad marriage to me. UConn and UMass better off remaining independent IMO - doesn't seem like they've had a problem filling up schedules. I don't see UConn leaving the Big East unless somehow they mend fences with BC and get invited to the ACC down the line. I suspect BC would be more willing to cede their doormat role now than before they realized they were going to be a doormat.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 3, 2021 10:46:02 GMT -5
Definitely Va Tech and maybe KSU? I had Wahoo football season tickets for a few years when I lived in Virginia and they had a chant about Tech never winning a title. I don't think they have in the 6 years I've been out of Virginia. Yes, VT and KSU.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 3, 2021 15:40:04 GMT -5
The "Power Five" conferences are not defined as such by the NCAA and the origin of the term is unknown. Which are the only two schools among the 65 members of these five conferences (SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 12) who have never won a national championship in any sport? Going to guess Washington State and Kansas State. Almost guessed Mississippi State but remembered Rafael Palmeiro and Will Clark were on the baseball team there in the mid-80's and I believe won a CWS. They did NOT win a CWS with them. They actually won the national title THIS PAST SEASON!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 4, 2021 9:34:24 GMT -5
I'm not a big "bash the NCAA" guy, but this feels like a place where the NCAA should step in and have some oversight in a decision that has such a negative impact on the "student-athletes."
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 4, 2021 9:38:40 GMT -5
I'm not a big "bash the NCAA" guy, but this feels like a place where the NCAA should step in and have some oversight in a decision that has such a negative impact on the "student-athletes." I totally agree this is total BS across the board. Student athletes should not be punished for this. Whats funny though is that JMU had no problem voting for the same protocol when Old Dominion left the league in 2013.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 4, 2021 10:29:13 GMT -5
I'm not a big "bash the NCAA" guy, but this feels like a place where the NCAA should step in and have some oversight in a decision that has such a negative impact on the "student-athletes." I totally agree this is total BS across the board. Student athletes should not be punished for this. Whats funny though is that JMU had no problem voting for the same protocol when Old Dominion left the league in 2013. BU was banned in America East when they left.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2021 17:48:24 GMT -5
I think the conference has a right to give its auto bid to schools that are sticking with the conference. As pointed out above, this is not a new rule and JMU knew what it was. They made the decision knowing the rule. Not the league’s fault. Feel bad for the current student-athletes but blame the school, not the league.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 4, 2021 23:46:24 GMT -5
I'm just surprised that this can happen in the middle of a season. On both ends, really. You'd think JMU would be committed to staying another year and that year would be the one where they couldn't be in tournaments, etc.
Is the Sun Belt better in anything other than football vis-a-vis the CAA?
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 5, 2021 0:30:31 GMT -5
I'm just surprised that this can happen in the middle of a season. On both ends, really. You'd think JMU would be committed to staying another year and that year would be the one where they couldn't be in tournaments, etc. Is the Sun Belt better in anything other than football vis-a-vis the CAA? Baseball is probably slightly better in the Sun Belt and softball is better by a decent gap. JMU did just qualify for the WCWS.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 5, 2021 6:38:40 GMT -5
One thing we know about the change is that JMU has likely hosted its last College Gameday.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 5, 2021 9:24:53 GMT -5
I'm just surprised that this can happen in the middle of a season. On both ends, really. You'd think JMU would be committed to staying another year and that year would be the one where they couldn't be in tournaments, etc. Is the Sun Belt better in anything other than football vis-a-vis the CAA? Baseball is probably slightly better in the Sun Belt and softball is better by a decent gap. JMU did just qualify for the WCWS. Sun Belt not a great basketball conference but it will now be headlined by Old Dominion. Georgia State, Marshall and South Alabama have all had good teams recently and Arkansas-Little Rock I think is still in that conference as of now (only non-football school if I’m not mistaken). CAA is a shell of itself in Men’s Basketball— Northeastern, Hofstra, William & Mary and Delaware now consistently the top teams. So I’d say the Sun Belt is actually a slight upgrade with the other new teams coming in.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2021 10:07:51 GMT -5
One thing we know about the change is that JMU has likely hosted its last College Gameday. Hopefully they will not supplant Umass as the worst FBS football team with the best marching band*. My guess is "no", they are going into this change with a lot more things in place than UMass had. A I'm interested as a JMU parent to see whether or not the student fees are going up because of this, not that we'll be paying it much longer, if at all. Something I read said there's a cap on this per the NCAA, but as someone on Boston radio keeps saying about the NFL, "cap is crap" and sometimes he's right. *Umass vs JMU would be a hell of a pre game, halftime and post game show.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 5, 2021 11:26:55 GMT -5
Not sure it makes any practical difference if a school increases its student activity fee or its general tuition. They’re going to fund for their operations and put a nice margin on top, regardless of which bucket it goes in. As a parent about to try to fund 16 years of college tuition between the Fall of 2022 and the Spring of 2033, all I want to know is the total cost. What they call it doesn’t make it any more or less painful.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 5, 2021 11:40:15 GMT -5
Your boys will no doubt excel in college and be off your financial books by 2040
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 5, 2021 12:17:21 GMT -5
Not sure it makes any practical difference if a school increases its student activity fee or its general tuition. They’re going to fund for their operations and put a nice margin on top, regardless of which bucket it goes in. As a parent about to try to fund 16 years of college tuition between the Fall of 2022 and the Spring of 2033, all I want to know is the total cost. What they call it doesn’t make it any more or less painful. The thing that used to frost me, while paying for two kids/eight years at HC, was a line item on the bill reading, " ID Fee...................................$10.00" .Really?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2021 12:22:51 GMT -5
Well, I hope your kids now know who they are.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 6, 2021 8:50:05 GMT -5
Not sure it makes any practical difference if a school increases its student activity fee or its general tuition. They’re going to fund for their operations and put a nice margin on top, regardless of which bucket it goes in. As a parent about to try to fund 16 years of college tuition between the Fall of 2022 and the Spring of 2033, all I want to know is the total cost. What they call it doesn’t make it any more or less painful. JMU's intercollegiate athletic fee is one of the highest in the nation at $2,226. www.jmu.edu/ubo/rates-breakdown.shtml
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 6, 2021 10:27:09 GMT -5
Press conference this morning at JMU made it official that the school is moving to the Sun Belt Conf effective July 1, 2023
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