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Post by Ignutz on Oct 27, 2021 7:00:22 GMT -5
20 I don't feel bad beating Regis and the Mount if we do. The ranked teams don't feel bad about beating D2 or D3 why should we? Look at Georegtown's out of conference schedule in the last 5 years. Almost all home games against Mid to Low Major teams. thecrossisback Do the Hoyas still open with St. Leo? That was a given throughout the ‘70s.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2021 7:33:58 GMT -5
We shouldn't. But we should really feel badly when we don't beat them. Even when we have "Carmody-type", barely D-1 players.
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Post by sader81 on Oct 27, 2021 14:16:44 GMT -5
I went with 18, and wouldn't be surprised if they win more. The team was starting to look pretty good at the end of February. Won 3 of their last six, including the last two, with a blowout vs BU. I was looking forward to that continuing into the playoffs, and then Covid took them out. The team has some talent and is deep, even some players in the front court. BN now has his players playing his style. Butler is a loss, but some of what's left I expect to be as talented with another year of experience, and a couple frosh will contribute right away. In short, they can be in the top half of the PL, and anything less would be a disappointment.
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 27, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -5
I went with 18, and wouldn't be surprised if they win more. The team was starting to look pretty good at the end of February. Won 3 of their last six, including the last two, with a blowout vs BU. I was looking forward to that continuing into the playoffs, and then Covid took them out. The team has some talent and is deep, even some players in the front court. BN now has his players playing his style. Butler is a loss, but some of what's left I expect to be as talented with another year of experience, and a couple frosh will contribute right away. In short, they can be in the top half of the PL, and anything less would be a disappointment. If BN read your post, he would head directly to the liquor cabinet for a stiff one!
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Post by sader81 on Oct 28, 2021 13:54:45 GMT -5
There's not many coaches out there today who don't need a couple stiff ones getting ready for their season!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5
The poll closes in a week-looking for another 2 dozen entries and I'll be posting my own entry shortly.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 7, 2021 1:07:14 GMT -5
Really no idea what to expect given a mostly new roster, 2 years since a "real" schedule etc etc...that being said:
OOC 4-9 PL 6-12 PLT 1-1
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2021 6:42:20 GMT -5
So, 87, that looks like 11 wins and categorized as "mired in mediocrity." Considering that those 11 wins likely include 2 D3 wins, KY's categorization is probably accurate. FWIW, that's where I predicted as well. Not what we want but our level of expectation.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 7:48:46 GMT -5
First time I hit the button I was thinking 11, went back through the schedule and saw 16Ws +/-2
Settled on 14 wins with some luck of the Irish, and divine intervention along the way-- I will keep mY fingers crossed ✝️✝️
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Post by possum on Nov 7, 2021 8:29:21 GMT -5
16, with 2 D3 games anything less will be a disappointment and having me question whether Nelson is the right guy.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 7, 2021 9:09:05 GMT -5
5-8 11-7 1-1 17-16
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2021 10:05:25 GMT -5
!!! With an 8-40 record, I already question whether he's "the right guy." Now, hopefully this is the season he shows us what a brilliant pick Marcus made before he bailed on Holy Cross. Winning 11 +/- games shouldn't be too high a bar even with all the excuses people have made for him. If he doesn't win at least 11, I hope whoever's in charge sends him packing. You have no idea how much I want to "eat crow" about Nelson.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 7, 2021 11:53:33 GMT -5
Matt Langel coaching record: 2011-12: 8-22 2012-13: 11-21 2013-14: 13-18 2018-19: 24-11 2019-20: 25-9 2020-21: 14-2
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 13:20:52 GMT -5
Matt Langel coaching record: 2011-12: 8-22 2012-13: 11-21 2013-14: 13-18 2018-19: 24-11 2019-20: 25-9 2020-21: 14-2 Encouraging.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2021 13:45:31 GMT -5
For sure because Brett has a nice starting point for easy improvement, right?
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 8, 2021 6:05:55 GMT -5
13-15 wins
OOC pessimistic 4-5 wins PL optimistic 9-11 wins
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Post by dadominate on Nov 8, 2021 8:16:21 GMT -5
OOC: 6-7 PL: 11-7 PLT: 1-1 Total: 18-15
this is the year to put up or shut up, so to speak. in light of the weak OOC schedule and what appears to be an average strength PL this year, anything less than a winning record overall and at least one patriot league tournament win is inexcusable.
personally, i think we'll achieve that admittedly low bar this year, but it might just be the optimism that has kept my interest in a program that has felt like it is on life support at a school whose values do not resonate as strongly as they once did. time will tell, but i think nelson has brought on the talent to reach these modest expectations.
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Post by Tom on Nov 8, 2021 8:31:13 GMT -5
I see a few PLT 1-1's out there, but some different perspective.
If HC goes 6-12 in conference, 1-1 probably means losing in the quarterfinals (again) If HC goes 11-7 in conference, 1-1 probably means winning the quarterfinal and, by recent standards, a rare trip to the semis
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 8, 2021 10:15:24 GMT -5
KY et. al., what are the chances that Brett pulls a Carmody first year miracle and wins out in the PL tournament? I direct this mostly to KY since I know he's got those super computers he uses. I mean after Carmody's very bad regular season and horrendous away record (i.e. not.a.single.win.on.the road. in league play) the Crusaders won out in the tournament with every game away from the friendly confines of the Hart. It can happen, right? We have a talented but young team that might get better every game as they gain experience. As Ralph used to say, "at the end of the season, there are no freshmen."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 8, 2021 10:40:10 GMT -5
KY et. al., what are the chances that Brett pulls a Carmody first year miracle and wins out in the PL tournament? I direct this mostly to KY since I know he's got those super computers he uses. I mean after Carmody's very bad regular season and horrendous away record (i.e. not.a.single.win.on.the road. in league play) the Crusaders won out in the tournament with every game away from the friendly confines of the Hart. It can happen, right? We have a talented but young team that might get better every game as they gain experience. As Ralph used to say, "at the end of the season, there are no freshmen." Didn't we put in a different kind of defense at tournament time, one that improved the team significantly and surprised opponents? Wasn't it Eric Green running along the base line disrupting the opponent's game? To me "pulling a Carmody" means not just winning the tournament, but doing so after a very poor regular season, as you note. I'd say the chances of us doing that are near zero.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 8, 2021 10:40:53 GMT -5
How about just host a home playoff game!
Its time to win some games. Whatever is on that roster has to make it work.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 8, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -5
Ahhh, you have a great memory! Wasn't it a 1-3-1 that Carmody later said they tried earlier in the season but didn't work and then someone, other than him, suggested they bring it back? While the suggestor might have been one of his assistants, in the back of my mind, I thought it might have actually been one of the players. In any case, it apparently flumoxed the PL opponents and Green was a very large reason for the success of the defense. Maybe Eric made the suggestion to try it? They really had absolutely nothing to lose. So, you don't want to even suggest a 1 in 10,000 chance?
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Post by Tom on Nov 8, 2021 11:02:52 GMT -5
How about just host a home playoff game! Its time to win some games. Whatever is on that roster has to make it work. May or may not be the best plan. Last season, #8 HC was going to host a play-off game vs #9 Loyola and forfeited due to Corona. I would rather see the Crusaders finish 5th or 6th with no home play-off game rather than 7th or 8th and host the play in round
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 8, 2021 11:04:34 GMT -5
Ahhh, you have a great memory! Wasn't it a 1-3-1 that Carmody later said they tried earlier in the season but didn't work and then someone, other than him, suggested they bring it back? While the suggestor might have been one of his assistants, in the back of my mind, I thought it might have actually been one of the players. In any case, it apparently flumoxed the PL opponents and Green was a very large reason for the success of the defense. Maybe Eric made the suggestion to try it? They really had absolutely nothing to lose. So, you don't want to even suggest a 1 in 10,000 chance? Okay-I'll give you 10,000 to 1 odds on that one Some data on the difference between the regular season PL conference games and that magical run in the Pl tournament, perhaps due to that defense Opponents 2 Point shooting .536 in PL conference regular season games .421 in PL tournament Opponents' 3 point shooting .381 in reg conf games .303 in PL tourney Turnovers 12.5 per game in reg conf games 15.5 per game in PL tourney
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 8, 2021 11:10:10 GMT -5
I'm tempted to bet you my $1 to your $10,000 with the winnings going to Holy Cross but not sure if that's worth it. HC doesn't need my $1 and while they'd appreciate your $10K which would get you deeply into the President's Council, I'm thinking there are other ways you'd rather spend your retirement savings on .
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