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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 14, 2021 14:49:41 GMT -5
The Cornell student newspaper said the Omicron variant is present.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 14, 2021 15:05:12 GMT -5
Omicron is running straight into the "masks were so pre-vaccine" mentality. What could go wrong?
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 14, 2021 16:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 14, 2021 16:58:08 GMT -5
The majority of students and teachers on these campuses must not be vaccinated.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2021 18:48:42 GMT -5
I saw a source today that said the total deaths (not cases) from Omicron worldwide so far is actually only one. Could that be correct from what you guys are seeing?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 14, 2021 19:53:04 GMT -5
I saw a source today that said the total deaths (not cases) from Omicron worldwide so far is actually only one. Could that be correct from what you guys are seeing? I googled omicron total deaths worldwide. The first two stories were "First Omicron death in UK" from yesterday and "UK could see 75,000 deaths from Omicron by April" from two days ago. So time will tell. I'm hoping my three shots (so far) will protect from hospitalization or death and I'm cutting back on mixing and mingling.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2021 5:21:52 GMT -5
News from indoor ‘masked’ and fully vaccinated Cornell: (CNN)Cornell University reported 903 cases of Covid-19 among students between December 7-13, and a "very high percentage" of them are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated individuals, according to university officials.
"Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot," said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement. www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html(Obviously, we’re talking vaccinated college kids and Covid so panic accordingly in terms of their ‘safety’.)
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 8:34:54 GMT -5
Another Covid shortened BB season seems ominously possible.
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Post by Tom on Dec 15, 2021 8:42:26 GMT -5
Another Covid shortened BB season seemss ominously possible. Hopefully after the team gets at least one D-I victory
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2021 9:11:59 GMT -5
Another Covid shortened BB season seems ominously possible. One option, and I admit this wildly farfetched notion ain't gonna happen, is to simply treat it as another respiratory virus (the flu) in the context of our vaccinated and healthy student athletes.
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 15, 2021 12:53:29 GMT -5
Another Covid shortened BB season seems ominously possible. One option, and I admit this wildly farfetched notion ain't gonna happen, is to simply treat it as another respiratory virus (the flu) in the context of our vaccinated and healthy student athletes. Actually, longsuffering, I expect that will be the way forward, since several new developments have changed the situation.
1.) Those who are now immunized seem to be susceptible to getting the virus, but fortunately, very few them are getting seriously ill. 2.) We now have some new, excellent tools for treating those with the infection. A very important new tool will be 2 prescription oral medications that I expect will soon be approved. This is a game changer, IMO, and very analogous to our treatment of the flu virus. 3.) Masking in crowded public indoor situations still works well and still makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 16:34:05 GMT -5
Hopefully hospitals will be able to find beds for all those new patients.Also in my area health care workers are starting to stress out as the overflow starts again.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 15, 2021 20:53:15 GMT -5
One option, and I admit this wildly farfetched notion ain't gonna happen, is to simply treat it as another respiratory virus (the flu) in the context of our vaccinated and healthy student athletes. Actually, longsuffering, I expect that will be the way forward, since several new developments have changed the situation.
1.) Those who are now immunized seem to be susceptible to getting the virus, but fortunately, very few them are getting seriously ill. 2.) We now have some new, excellent tools for treating those with the infection. A very important new tool will be 2 prescription oral medications that I expect will soon be approved. This is a game changer, IMO, and very analogous to our treatment of the flu virus. 3.) Masking in crowded public indoor situations still works well and still makes sense.Dr. Chu Chu, Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. And, I am being totally honest. I am so worn out. Please keep providing info & guidance. Thanks again.
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Post by gks on Dec 15, 2021 20:58:14 GMT -5
1. People are always going to get sick....always have, always will.
2. Until you stop testing vaccinated, healthy people we will never get out of this never-ending circle.
3. The unvaccinated know the consequences of their decision.
Time to Move on.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 15, 2021 21:58:19 GMT -5
Questions: Is an asymptomatic infected vaccinated healthy? Can asymptomatic infected vaccinated spread Covid19? For instance, we're going overseas for our annual snowbird. We are boostered yet we are required to get a PCR test. Is this a sensible precautionary measure to avoid spread? Or, is it a waste of time & resources? Are all the health agencies wrong to require testing? Does the view of a minor player, a local nurse or MD carry more weight than the recommendations of world class epidemiologists/scientists? I'm not an MD or scientist, have no professional scientific knowledge or expertise so I don't know. I have no answers. Back in the day, there was a Jesuit who cautioned "Logical but incorrect." Please don't misinterpret my comment - not disagreeing but skeptically questioning. Peace & health to all.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2021 6:57:37 GMT -5
1. People are always going to get sick....always have, always will. 2. Until you stop testing vaccinated, healthy people we will never get out of this never-ending circle. 3. The unvaccinated know the consequences of their decision. Time to Move on. Google the governor of Colorado. A Democrat, by the way. Agrees with you.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2021 7:51:50 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 16, 2021 8:19:34 GMT -5
Cornell is a good case study. A ton of people all tested positive, mostly with Omicron. A very high percentage are vaccinated. A third are boostered. All of them are wearing masks while indoors on campus. No one is reported to be particularly sick. If the evidence is that you’re still going to get it no matter what you do but that almost no one is going to get particularly sick (at least if vaccinated), should we really shut down big chunks of our economy every time it happens for the rest of our lives and live in this constant state of anxiety? I think more and more people, including me, are coming around to the answer being no. The other interesting question is whether we can achieve herd immunity if tons of people get Omicron. If so, even more reason to let it run its course as quickly as possible.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 16, 2021 9:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Dec 16, 2021 9:29:30 GMT -5
"...almost no one..." As the denominator of those infected increases, the almost no one getting sick could exponentially grow into an extremely large number. Concern is that hospitals will be overwhelmed and due to the ease of transmission many Omicron infected medical personnel would need to stay home even if not particularly ill. As of this time there is no indication that coronavirus will run its course and largely dissipate. I read further mutations are almost inevitable. Consider the possibility of Omicron mutating into a highly transmissible and more lethal strain. Despite Covid fatigue, and my strong desire to live my life as before, I will follow the safety recommendations of the CDC. I can't gamble and depend on a positive outcome with an unknown future of a virus which has proven lethal in the past. Peace & good health to all.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2021 9:49:26 GMT -5
NY Times update:
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2021 10:23:09 GMT -5
"...almost no one..." As the denominator of those infected increases, the almost no one getting sick could exponentially grow into an extremely large number. Concern is that hospitals will be overwhelmed and due to the ease of transmission many Omicron infected medical personnel would need to stay home even if not particularly ill. As of this time there is no indication that coronavirus will run its course and largely dissipate. I read further mutations are almost inevitable. Consider the possibility of Omicron mutating into a highly transmissible and more lethal strain. Despite Covid fatigue, and my strong desire to live my life as before, I will follow the safety recommendations of the CDC. I can't gamble and depend on a positive outcome with an unknown future of a virus which has proven lethal in the past. Peace & good health to all. The good news is that as viruses mutate, they tend to become less deadly. Its natural selection. A micro-organism that kills its host also dies and therefore cannot reproduce. There are biological incentives for the variants to become less deadly over time. I believe we're seeing that already with Omricon. Delta was also less deadly than the original strain and the "delta surge" preyed almost exclusively on the unvaccinated. I do believe you are correct that COVID isnt going away any time soon, if ever. Fauci indicated that it will likely become "endemic".
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 16, 2021 11:03:37 GMT -5
"...almost no one..." As the denominator of those infected increases, the almost no one getting sick could exponentially grow into an extremely large number. Concern is that hospitals will be overwhelmed and due to the ease of transmission many Omicron infected medical personnel would need to stay home even if not particularly ill. As of this time there is no indication that coronavirus will run its course and largely dissipate. I read further mutations are almost inevitable. Consider the possibility of Omicron mutating into a highly transmissible and more lethal strain. Despite Covid fatigue, and my strong desire to live my life as before, I will follow the safety recommendations of the CDC. I can't gamble and depend on a positive outcome with an unknown future of a virus which has proven lethal in the past. Peace & good health to all. The good news is that as viruses mutate, they tend to become less deadly. Its natural selection. A micro-organism that kills its host also dies and therefore cannot reproduce. There are biological incentives for the variants to become less deadly over time. I believe we're seeing that already with Omricon. Delta was also less deadly than the original strain and the "delta surge" preyed almost exclusively on the unvaccinated. I do believe you are correct that COVID isnt going away any time soon, if ever. Fauci indicated that it will likely become "endemic". Delta (the Indian variant) is more deadly than Alpha (the UK Variant). www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covidSee also, www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-loss-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severeAnd Alpha is more deadly than earlier variants, e.g., Wuhan www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/world/europe/covid-uk-variant-deadlier.html
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 16, 2021 11:09:54 GMT -5
"...almost no one..." As the denominator of those infected increases, the almost no one getting sick could exponentially grow into an extremely large number. Concern is that hospitals will be overwhelmed and due to the ease of transmission many Omicron infected medical personnel would need to stay home even if not particularly ill. I received a call from my primary physician last night that the physical that was scheduled for this morning needed to be postponed. A nurse in the office tested COVID-positive, and the office was 'closed'. All those in the office who had contact with the infected individual will be tested on Sunday, and if they test negative, the office will re-open and I will get my physical. I am certain that everyone who works in this practice is fully vaccinated, less certain that everyone has received a booster.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2021 11:39:36 GMT -5
Cornell is a good case study. A ton of people all tested positive, mostly with Omicron. A very high percentage are vaccinated. A third are boostered. All of them are wearing masks while indoors on campus. No one is reported to be particularly sick. If the evidence is that you’re still going to get it no matter what you do but that almost no one is going to get particularly sick (at least if vaccinated), should we really shut down big chunks of our economy every time it happens for the rest of our lives and live in this constant state of anxiety? I think more and more people, including me, are coming around to the answer being no. The other interesting question is whether we can achieve herd immunity if tons of people get Omicron. If so, even more reason to let it run its course as quickly as possible. Lots of odd things have occurred regarding Covid. The harmful restrictions on those essentially not at risk is one and the mass and serial asymptomatic testing is another. Colleges have managed to combine both. (As your comment shows, it is nonetheless possible to glean info from the recent Cornell episode). This is not to suggest these were the only unhelpful peculiarities involved with the response to this respiratory virus.
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