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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2021 12:29:07 GMT -5
I saw a source today that said the total deaths (not cases) from Omicron worldwide so far is actually only one. Could that be correct from what you guys are seeing? Sort of like how the total number of children in the United States that have died from COVID since March 2020 without major pre-existing conditions, is estimated to be somewhere between TEN and TWENTY. But the reactionary policies with regards to school closures and masks in schools have not exactly taken that extremely low level or risk into account. **As a parent, I understand anything surrounding children is more highly sensitized. And there are cases of "long COVID" and obviously children can spread the virus. So I don't think executing SOME precautions was necessarily a bad thing. Especially early in the pandemic and pre-vaccine. Also what gets me about the strict in-school mask mandates is that 99% of the kids are wearing cloth masks which are scientifically proven to be totally useless, and possibly worse than wearing no mask at all. Has anyone watched a HS basketball game lately? Hopefully all those players wearing surgical masks as chin-straps will help stop the spread!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 16, 2021 15:22:25 GMT -5
The NY Times calculated that one of every 100 Americans ages 65 and older has died of COVID. The COVID death rate for Americans 65 and under is one in 1,400. The 800,000 COVID-related deaths to date in the U.S., is an undercount. The number of deaths in the United States in September 2021, was 138 percent of the expected death count. (Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for these time-periods in 2020 or 2021 compared to the average number across the same time-period in 2017–2019.) In September 2021, total deaths in the United States were 304,400, of which 64,000 were recorded as COVID. The number of excess deaths in that month was about 115,000. This suggests that the reported U.S. COVID death toll to date is an undercount probably by at least several hundreds of thousands. www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htmTotal deaths from COVID now exceed total deaths in the Civil War, and if excess deaths are factored in, COVID deaths now exceed total deaths in the Civil War and WWII, combined. It is important to note that as a percentage of the total population, the death rate from COVID is much lower than that of war-related deaths in the 19th and 20th Centuries.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2021 16:37:49 GMT -5
The NY Times calculated that one of every 100 Americans ages 65 and older has died of COVID. The COVID death rate for Americans 65 and under is one in 1,400. The 800,000 COVID-related deaths to date in the U.S., is an undercount. The number of deaths in the United States in September 2021, was 138 percent of the expected death count. (Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for these time-periods in 2020 or 2021 compared to the average number across the same time-period in 2017–2019.) In September 2021, total deaths in the United States were 304,400, of which 64,000 were recorded as COVID. The number of excess deaths in that month was about 115,000. This suggests that the reported U.S. COVID death toll to date is an undercount probably by at least several hundreds of thousands. www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htmTotal deaths from COVID now exceed total deaths in the Civil War, and if excess deaths are factored in, COVID deaths now exceed total deaths in the Civil War and WWII, combined. It is important to note that as a percentage of the total population, the death rate from COVID is much lower than that of war-related deaths in the 19th and 20th Centuries. It's also possible that the excess death count is a result of the effects of the lockdowns. Depression, lack of fitness, people not having access to preventive care or didn't attend routine check ups due to fear of exposure. We'll never know for sure.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 16, 2021 19:29:27 GMT -5
Are we just going to blissfully ignore the below?
“The FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee recommended against a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot for individuals 16 years and older in a 16 to 2 vote, but unanimously recommend the booster in individuals 65 years and older and those at high risk of severe COVID-19.”
Two of the top officials at the FDA resigned over boosters being pushed out.
And now young people are being pumped full of this?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 16, 2021 21:26:06 GMT -5
Are we just going to blissfully ignore the below? “The FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee recommended against a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot for individuals 16 years and older in a 16 to 2 vote, but unanimously recommend the booster in individuals 65 years and older and those at high risk of severe COVID-19.” Two of the top officials at the FDA resigned over boosters being pushed out. And now young people are being pumped full of this? Wonder if anyone will complain when executive bonus figures at Pfizer are released to the public next year?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 21:43:06 GMT -5
This was from Oct 8 “The good news continues to be that this is not a common problem for kids,” said Dr. Daniel Rauch, chief of pediatric hospital medicine at Tufts Children’s Hospital in Boston. “The bad news is kids are not immune to this.”
Of the 73 million children in the U.S., fewer than 700 have died of COVID-19 during the course of the pandemic, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Rauch puts the figure into context using the number of people who can typically fit into a sports venue.
"Think about it in terms of football stadiums," Rauch said. "In 100,000 kids, one of them is not going to make it with COVID. Everyone else who walked in is going to walk out."
About 50,000 children under 14 have died of all causes since the start of the pandemic, according to the CDC.
I guess it all depends who you get your info from. FZ
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 17, 2021 8:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 21, 2021 8:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Dec 21, 2021 9:07:41 GMT -5
Stats might seem "peculiar" to some.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 21, 2021 10:31:03 GMT -5
So, are we supposed to believe that vaccinations and boosters actually work effectively against Covid after reading these stats and graphs!? I'm sure this must just be a statistical anomaly.
I mean I read the former POTUS was booed by his supporters when he said he got his booster shot. They see through this hoax.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 21, 2021 19:13:31 GMT -5
This was from Oct 8 “The good news continues to be that this is not a common problem for kids,” said Dr. Daniel Rauch, chief of pediatric hospital medicine at Tufts Children’s Hospital in Boston. “The bad news is kids are not immune to this.” Of the 73 million children in the U.S., fewer than 700 have died of COVID-19 during the course of the pandemic, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Rauch puts the figure into context using the number of people who can typically fit into a sports venue."Think about it in terms of football stadiums," Rauch said. "In 100,000 kids, one of them is not going to make it with COVID. Everyone else who walked in is going to walk out." About 50,000 children under 14 have died of all causes since the start of the pandemic, according to the CDC. I guess it all depends who you get your info from. FZ Of the approx. 700 children who have died from COVID since March 2020 in the US, the estimated total of children <14 who died of COVID without major pre-existing conditions is somewhere between 10 and 20. According to a Johns Hopkins University study.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 21, 2021 21:37:33 GMT -5
If you are the parents or grandparents of one of the 10-20, their is no comfort in that data.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 21, 2021 22:32:03 GMT -5
Admirable to be "boys and girls for others" and protect those children with serious medical conditions from joining the 686 who died from Covid, as well as protecting adults, too.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2021 5:20:28 GMT -5
Israel is rolling out a 4th (!) Covid shot. For the at risk (60+) group. The triple-vaxed are susceptible to infection. amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/21/middleeast/israel-fourth-covid-vaccine-booster-intl/index.htmlOn the bright side it appears some learning from recent past ‘mistakes’ has occurred in the US. There is very little appetite to again damage the kids by needlessly closing the k-12 schools in MA. One hopes the same learning manifests regarding college campuses.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 22, 2021 8:31:49 GMT -5
Israel leads the world in the percentage of eligible population having received an additional dose: 45 percent. When it comes to Israelis having received a first or second dose, not so much. First does percentage is less than for the United States. Vaccine resistance seems to be concentrated in certain Orthodox sects, which is paralleled by resistance in certain neighborhoods of NYC, e.g., Crown Heights. And vaccination in the Palestinian territories has lagged behind the rest of Israel, until recently.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2021 9:31:52 GMT -5
Dr. Walensky has stated that due to vaccinations and widespread use of other mitigating practices (masks, distancing, more widespread use of hepatitis filters etc.) we are not in the same place as we were in 2020 and earlier in the year. Clearly, vaccinations were not available in the past as they are today. Masks & distancing are more widely used than before. As circumstances have changed policies have too. Thus, various activities will remain open to a certain/limited extent,- NBA, theater, schools, etc. The change in policy is not an admission of mistakes from the past such as school closings, etc. Decisions were made in response to the conditions that existed at that time. Our situation is different. Our policies have changed to address the new realities.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2021 9:39:13 GMT -5
I know you didn't really mean "hepatitis filters" as I've got a bunch of Classmates that'd educate you on hepatitis. But, it was a learning moment for me because I never really paid attention to what "HEPA" stood for and you "made me look." FYI:
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2021 10:22:06 GMT -5
For those who thought closing down campuses and restricting not-at-risk students due to Covid fears was a wise move and was 'erring on the safe' side...not so much: Colleges across the country are facing a mental health crisis, driven in part by the pandemic. After almost two years of remote schooling, restricted gatherings and constant testing, many students are anxious, socially isolated, depressed — and overwhelming mental health centers. At a few institutions, there has been a troubling spate of suicides...
Many parents and college administrators have been troubled by an outbreak of suicides. Among them: Three, all first-year students, since November 2020 from Dartmouth; two, and possibly more, since July from Worcester Polytechnic Institute; two in September from St. Louis University; three in September and October from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill; and from Yale and Princeton. www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/us/covid-college-mental-health-suicide.htmlI have to credit NYT today for highlighting a portion of the damage done by Covid reactions.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2021 10:36:27 GMT -5
Maybe this article will help bridge some gaps in our polarized society:
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2021 13:44:12 GMT -5
For those who stated covid was nothing more than the flu. Ha! Some have lost all credibility and should act accordingly!
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Post by matunuck on Dec 22, 2021 14:55:31 GMT -5
CNN New Day today "If we have a larger number of people getting infected, but the degree of severity is very, very low, that would be very important," Fauci said. "If you just count the numbers of infections, you may get a misrepresentation as to what is actually going on."
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2021 15:23:30 GMT -5
CNN New Day today "If we have a larger number of people getting infected, but the degree of severity is very, very low, that would be very important," Fauci said. "If you just count the numbers of infections, you may get a misrepresentation as to what is actually going on." I’ve seen several media outfits as well as a few leadings public health folks float this notion over the last three days. (On a related matter, NY registered a record 29,000 infections just today. Five days in a row with new record infections.) Doesn’t mean it’s wrong and I can certainly see why others have been saying the same thing for well over a year. www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-12-19/covid-infection-data-is-misleading-without-context?_amp=true
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2021 16:28:41 GMT -5
CNN’s medical analyst Dr Leana Wen has said that cloth masks are useless in the fight against the spread of the Omicron variant of Covid-19, instead encouraging viewers to wear three-layer medical masks.sports.yahoo.com/expert-warns-cloth-masks-useless-215341566.htmlThe porous face coverings don’t stop the virus? Shocked to hear that.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2021 16:42:40 GMT -5
I've been wearing the KN-95 masks from the beginning of this pandemic as soon as I could get them. Those blue, apparently single ply, masks just never struck me as being effective but are a lot cheaper and why people trying to meet the letter of the law use them.
For the umpteenth time, though, even the best masks don't do any good if you wear it as a chin jock.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2021 16:52:30 GMT -5
Agreed.
Given the wild numbers in NY, I’m thinking that there’ll be a re-think on that 10-day quarantine idea. Sunday 22K test positive, Monday23K, Tues 22K and today 29 K. How can 29k New Yorkers shut in for 10 days starting today? Forget contact tracing. And how many tomorrow?
Thankfully, the hospital numbers are not going crazy at all.
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