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Post by efg72 on Oct 27, 2021 20:59:04 GMT -5
Just wanted to share the most recent updates as many are now getting boosters. This is a Lengthy guidance update document but for those who are immunocompromised or have loved ones who are CDC is suggesting a 4th shot. It covers a lot of territory People who are moderately and severely immunocompromised and COVID-19 vaccine booster dose Moderately and severely immunocompromised people aged ≥18 years who completed an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine primary series and received an additional mRNA vaccine dose mayreceive a single COVID-19 booster dose (Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, or Janssen) at least 6 months after completing their third mRNA vaccine dose. In such situations, people who are moderately and severely immunocompromised may receive a total of four COVID-19 vaccine doses. A person who is moderately or severely immunocompromised and has received two doses of an mRNA vaccine and ≥28 days has elapsed since the second dose, should receive an additional mRNA dose immediately (if Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is used, administer 100µg in 0.5ml), followed ≥6 months later by a single COVID-19 vaccine booster dose (if Moderna vaccine booster is used, administer 50µg in 0.25ml). Moderately and severely immunocompromised people aged ≥18 years who received a single dose Janssen COVID-19 vaccine primary series should receive a single COVID-19 booster vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna or Janssen) at least 2 months (8 weeks) after receiving their initial Janssen primary dose. If the Moderna vaccine is used in this circumstance, the booster dose and dose volume should be used (50µg in 0.25ml). A patient’s clinical team is best positioned to determine the appropriate timing of vaccination. A person who received one primary dose of Janssen COVID-19 vaccine should not receive more than two COVID-19 vaccine doses as detailed in Appendix A. Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 28, 2021 7:32:00 GMT -5
I looked at the NY Times vaccination tables this morning and was frankly quite surprised to learn that 97% of all Americans ages 65 and older have received at least one dose. In some states, e.g., MA, the percentage is >99%. 85 percent of all Americans 65 and older are fully vaccinated.
All states, except WV, that are below 90 percent for at least one dose are close to 90 percent: AK 88%; GA 89%; MO 89%; MT 89%; OH 88%; LA 88%; TN 87%; AL 88%; IN 88%; ID 88%; MS 86%; WY 86%; WV 80%.
It seems that senior citizens, across the country and regardless of region, political affiliation, or demographic, are 'voting' with their arms.
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After a large study that was a follow-up on several smaller studies, Fluvoxamine, an anti-depressant used to treat obsessive-compulsive disorder, was found to be very effective in reducing the risk of hospitalization from COVID by about 2/3rds. A 10 day course of treatment costs $4. It can be prescribed today off-label. But as of yet there is no significant demand for it, possibly because no one was proselytizing it as a cure for COVID like hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 28, 2021 9:00:49 GMT -5
We may be old, but that does not necessarily make us stupid.  |
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Post by timholycross on Oct 28, 2021 10:28:50 GMT -5
I looked at the NY Times vaccination tables this morning and was frankly quite surprised to learn that 97% of all Americans ages 65 and older have received at least one dose. In some states, e.g., MA, the percentage is >99%. 85 percent of all Americans 65 and older are fully vaccinated. All states, except WV, that are below 90 percent for at least one dose are close to 90 percent: AK 88%; GA 89%; MO 89%; MT 89%; OH 88%; LA 88%; TN 87%; AL 88%; IN 88%; ID 88%; MS 86%; WY 86%; WV 80%. It seems that senior citizens, across the country and regardless of region, political affiliation, or demographic, are 'voting' with their arms. ____________ After a large study that was a follow-up on several smaller studies, Fluvoxamine, an anti-depressant used to treat obsessive-compulsive disorder, was found to be very effective in reducing the risk of hospitalization from COVID by about 2/3rds. A 10 day course of treatment costs $4. It can be prescribed today off-label. But as of yet there is no significant demand for it, possibly because no one was proselytizing it as a cure for COVID like hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. Walensky (sp?) got cornered the other day on the definition of "fully vaccinated". Said it was two (or 1, if J&J) after initially counting the booster. Gave one of those "it's two at this time" type of answers. I bet she's retracting that as we speak. (edit)- Everything I read said the extra booster was for very immunocompromised folks, which is something like 2.7% of the population. Can't see where such a small number will cause much of a ruckus. |
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2021 16:00:52 GMT -5
Sitting in the post-vac waiting area for fifteen minutes at Walmart Pharmacy after getting my Moderna booster, happy I beat the rush of 5-12 year olds getting their first shot starting tomorrow. No line today. The Pharmacist told me something I didn't know, that the Moderna booster shot is only half a dose. Fine with me. I trust Dr. Fauci and all his colleagues to keep me healthy. It's available for everyone over 65. Immunocompromised might get a full dose.
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Post by Xmassader on Oct 31, 2021 16:53:56 GMT -5
longsuffering Those who are immunocompromised will get a full dose Moderna booster (same dosage as the first and second Moderna shots [100 mg-I think]).
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Post by hcpride on Oct 31, 2021 18:31:00 GMT -5
I’m wondering if many parents will see much of an upside to vaccinating their healthy 5-11 year olds. Apparently, the vaccine should bring the death rate for otherwise healthy kids in this cohort from nearly zero all the way down to nearly zero.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 31, 2021 19:30:52 GMT -5
Sitting in the post-vac waiting area for fifteen minutes at Walmart Pharmacy after getting my Moderna booster, happy I beat the rush of 5-12 year olds getting their first shot starting tomorrow. No line today. The Pharmacist told me something I didn't know, that the Moderna booster shot is only half a dose. Fine with me. I trust Dr. Fauci and all his colleagues to keep me healthy. It's available for everyone over 65. Immunocompromised might get a full dose. Which were your first two shots, Moderna or Pfizer? |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2021 19:51:55 GMT -5
All three of mine were Pfizer. Only as very slight reaction to the booster. My regular (senior) flu shot is scheduled for Nov 10.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2021 19:52:25 GMT -5
Sitting in the post-vac waiting area for fifteen minutes at Walmart Pharmacy after getting my Moderna booster, happy I beat the rush of 5-12 year olds getting their first shot starting tomorrow. No line today. The Pharmacist told me something I didn't know, that the Moderna booster shot is only half a dose. Fine with me. I trust Dr. Fauci and all his colleagues to keep me healthy. It's available for everyone over 65. Immunocompromised might get a full dose. Which were your first two shots, Moderna or Pfizer? Moderna. I asked the Pharmacist if there was any benefit to getting a booster shot from a different manufacturer. She said nothing definitive on that and she would go with Moderna anyway. BTW, I had no reaction to any of the three shots but have a relative who has been belly-aching over being wiped out from his booster. Wait until I tell him he only got a half dose. |
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Post by efg72 on Oct 31, 2021 20:01:44 GMT -5
There appears to be enough positive data for CDC to sign off with mixing shots You can confirm at the CDC website www.cdc.gov and then lol at the covid section |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 2, 2021 11:07:07 GMT -5
I’m wondering if many parents will see much of an upside to vaccinating their healthy 5-11 year olds. Apparently, the vaccine should bring the death rate for otherwise healthy kids in this cohort from nearly zero all the way down to nearly zero. I'm probably going to wait a little while longer before getting my daughter vaccinated for COVID, if ever. If our family doctor highly recommends, will reconsider. Johns Hopkins estimates the total number of child causalties from COVID in the US, excluding cases with major pre-existing conditions, as somewhere between 10 and 20 since March 2020. I believe overall under-20 death toll is between 500 and 600 in the US since then. |
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Post by mm67 on Nov 2, 2021 11:18:37 GMT -5
Vaccinations are to protect the public health as well as the health of the vaccinated individual.
Certainly, it is always wise to check with your physician rather than other non medical persons.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 2, 2021 18:53:16 GMT -5
I’m wondering if many parents will see much of an upside to vaccinating their healthy 5-11 year olds. Apparently, the vaccine should bring the death rate for otherwise healthy kids in this cohort from nearly zero all the way down to nearly zero. I'm probably going to wait a little while longer before getting my daughter vaccinated for COVID, if ever. If our family doctor highly recommends, will reconsider. Johns Hopkins estimates the total number of child causalties from COVID in the US, excluding cases with major pre-existing conditions, as somewhere between 10 and 20 since March 2020. I believe overall under-20 death toll is between 500 and 600 in the US since then. This article says more than half of children age 6-16 who get Covid have at least one symptom lasting 120 days or more. The kids only get a small dose of vaccine so they might have less severe reaction to the shot than adults. Scientists are waiting to see during the rollout starting soon. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 2, 2021 19:24:48 GMT -5
Imho if younger children aren't vulnerable due to other health and disease issues I wouldn't give them the shot
My grandkids 14 and older are vaccinated those younger won't be
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 2, 2021 19:56:47 GMT -5
Imho if younger children aren't vulnerable due to other health and disease issues I wouldn't give them the shot My grandkids 14 and older are vaccinated those younger won't be If non-vaccinated kids have to wear a mask all day in class and on the basketball court after school while their vaccinated peers are mask free, would you reconsider? |
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Post by alum on Nov 2, 2021 20:16:29 GMT -5
Imho if younger children aren't vulnerable due to other health and disease issues I wouldn't give them the shot My grandkids 14 and older are vaccinated those younger won't be If non-vaccinated kids have to wear a mask all day in class and on the basketball court after school while their vaccinated peers are mask free, would you reconsider? If your grandkids have a classmate with a serious medical condition which puts them at increased risk from COVID, would you reconsider? |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 2, 2021 20:26:10 GMT -5
No I wouldn't change my mind
There is not enough data for young kids
In fact we don't design enough clinical trials for women, Kids, Hispanics, African Americans or Asians to know we have it right
All of my family and teenage grandkids are vaccinated-- benefit risk decision
For the others under 12, the benefit risk doesn't work for them
mrna is a new science and a critical innovation for the future. For those over 60 it is an easy call. For all others not as clear until we see longer term data.
If we look at these vaccines they are not your traditional vaccine, but only a blocker of the virus-- which is incredible for all of us. In the future we need a vaccine with the memory T cells that will attack and defeat the virus and they are probably a year away
I am not a physician or an expert so please don't follow what I have recommended to my kids and their spouses, but I encourage anybody to speak with their physician about their younger children and grandchildren and make your decision based on that conversation.
Happy to discuss with anybody offline.
That is only my opinion and I don't suggest others follow but instead do their own evaluations
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 2, 2021 20:41:34 GMT -5
What’s happening now is downright scary and unethical. Pumping kindergartners with this stuff, regardless of one’s health profile, at this stage is wrong. We’ve seen that corona is not praying on young, healthy people.
The risk/reward isn’t there and it’s not even close.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 2, 2021 22:23:36 GMT -5
If non-vaccinated kids have to wear a mask all day in class and on the basketball court after school while their vaccinated peers are mask free, would you reconsider? If your grandkids have a classmate with a serious medical condition which puts them at increased risk from COVID, would you reconsider? Which I think is every kid has someone with a serious medical condition in their class.... |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 3, 2021 0:47:06 GMT -5
If your grandkids have a classmate with a serious medical condition which puts them at increased risk from COVID, would you reconsider? Which I think is every kid has someone with a serious medical condition in their class.... And most kids have several other vaccines coursing through their veins. Small kids can get the covid vac in one arm and the flu vac in the other arm to save the parents a trip. Completely medically approved. |
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Post by hcpride on Nov 3, 2021 5:34:27 GMT -5
Which I think is every kid has someone with a serious medical condition in their class.... And most kids have several other vaccines coursing through their veins. Small kids can get the covid vac in one arm and the flu vac in the other arm to save the parents a trip. Completely medically approved. Since flu is deadlier for the 5-11 year old kiddies there is a certain logic there. And a continued masking of the little faces after the shots (since the vaccinated routinely get infected and spread Covid and Flu) has its own appeal. And the idea that Covid and/or Flu may be around for a while so we’re talking years of masking kiddies simply deepens the appeal. For some. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 3, 2021 5:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Nov 3, 2021 5:39:44 GMT -5
I think that some of our posters haven’t bought into that whole men and women for others thing. 😁
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 3, 2021 5:52:04 GMT -5
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