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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2021 14:15:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I got carried away about a Princeton law school but you might enjoy this found on the internet: Dr. Niles Crane's wife Maris went to Princeton Law School. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2021 15:25:43 GMT -5
I knew I heard that somewhere!   A little more seriously, how has Princeton not have a law school? P.S. We all can describe Maris, right? Very attractive woman! |
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Post by hcpride on Oct 31, 2021 16:02:15 GMT -5
Obviously without scholarships HC couldn't compete with other non-scholarship schools. Admittedly, the '80's were glory years for HC football. However, let's get real. HC with scholarships had the advantage of playing weaker, non-scholarship teams for much of its schedule. The difference in size and athleticism was ridiculous.The team did not have to run the gauntlet of competing against tougher, more physical scholarship programs.
It would have been more impressive if HC had run the table against other top flight scholarship teams. Doubt they would have run the table unscathed. Fact: Without the great Gil the thrill HC was defeated by Western Carolina. Whether they would have won with Fenerty is not the point. Certainly, HC did not need Fenerty to defeat Bucknell, Columbia, etc. However, they did need Fenerty, if they were to beat a strong scholarship Western Carolina outfit. One friend noted the wily Jebbies played us to make the obvious deemphasis more palatable to alums. Nonetheless, I did enjoy the ride. It was glorious. HC beat Army 3 times in the 1980s. They also defeated scholarship teams like Delaware, William&Mary, UMass, UConn and many others multiple times in the 1980s. The Colonial/Patriot League part of the schedule was only 4 games many times during that era. Did we have an advantage ovah the PL and Ivy teams then? Undoubtedly, but we also beat some very strong non-PL/IL teams that era as well. It never ceases to amaze me (and probably you too) the folks who mistakenly think Rick Carter coached in the (admittedly weaker) Colonial/Patriot League. He coached '81, '82, '83, '84 and '85. He played full schollie teams and Ivy Teams and that is it. Don't assume HYP were weak that period - see the nationally ranked [I-A] 1981 Yale team that beat Carter by 1, for example. And we were ranked at the very top and among the very top I-AA teams frequently that period. (FWIW Carter never coached against Lehigh, Lafayette or Bucknell...and, of course, Gill Fenerty graduated prior to the Colonial/Patriot League and never played against them either). It is true that after the tragic death of Rick Carter, his recruits (McGovern, Lockbaum, Wiley, etc.) were early superstars in the Colonial/Patriot League. |
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2021 16:10:51 GMT -5
I went to some type of alumni gathering at lunch or otherwise during the business day somewhere on or off Millbury St. in Worcester shortly after Carter was hired. He was defiantly confident he would turn around Holy Cross Football and he did. The enthusiasm was electric. A great coach and fine man.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 31, 2021 17:39:45 GMT -5
F-ball is about execution.
But, I have been wondering how Lafayette would game plan its defense for the HC game. HC is not an unknown at this point in the season.
Bring up the line backers and stack the middle to stop Oliver up the middle?
Bet that your d backs are fast enough to turn the slower HC running backs inside?
Dare HC to throw with zone safety cover?
Obviously, I don't know. Sure there are more knowledgeable posters.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2021 17:42:00 GMT -5
Holy Cross running backs are not slow
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2021 18:36:05 GMT -5
Slow running backs? Such rumors can be the source of needless anxiety.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2021 18:39:32 GMT -5
F-ball is about execution. But, I have been wondering how Lafayette would game plan its defense for the HC game. HC is not an unknown at this point in the season. Bring up the line backers and stack the middle to stop Oliver up the middle? Bet that your d backs are fast enough to turn the slower HC running backs inside? Dare HC to throw with zone safety cover? Obviously, I don't know. Sure there are more knowledgeable posters. Lehigh Defense stopped the HC Offense from piling up gaudy statistics like they did at Polar Park...in every category except the scoreboard. For Lafayette to beat HC they have to play close to error free and turnover free football. This HC team will pounce on mistakes. I think if I was an opponent I would keep it simple and try to control the ball as much as possible on offense with an emphasis on stopping the run and daring the pass on defense if I had to choose. |
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Post by kaftan12 on Oct 31, 2021 19:30:39 GMT -5
HC wR’s and RB’s are above average for PL and FCs competition. The Oc and QB play are below average. If we could get out of our own way HC would score 40 plus a game. Egos and game plan are getting in the way. iMO. WR’s were wide open most of the day but QB’s missed the read
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2021 19:50:48 GMT -5
QBs have also hit receivers in the hands and seen the ball dropped or get deflected...not all on the QB.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 31, 2021 19:52:13 GMT -5
I do not profess to be an expert. And , the comments are enlightening. Stop the run between tackles & curtail the HC offense?
Have not seen the Lafayette football team play the game. Don't know if they have the talent to defeat HC. Are there any game plans for HC?
My guess for HC is pound, pound, pound with a complementary pass to keep them honest.
Can the D line/linebackers penetrate, disrupt their running game and pressure the QB.Or, will they need to rely on the blitz? Defensive backfield???
4-3 or 3-4?
What is the rundown on the 'Pards?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 1, 2021 6:29:25 GMT -5
Let’s face the fact that the IL has essentially been a scholarship league forever despite what they profess. More so since 2000 than in the 80's and 90's. The quality of talent amongst the Ancient 8 is much stronger now than it was 25 years ago. There definitely WAS a level of de-emphasis when these schools dropped to I-AA. But they've quietly "re-emphasized" the product on the field since. Even if 30K+ crowds are still gone for good. The Harvard and Dartmouth teams that Gilmore and Chesney have faced are definitely better than those Duffner faced. |
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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2021 7:17:53 GMT -5
Let’s face the fact that the IL has essentially been a scholarship league forever despite what they profess. More so since 2000 than in the 80's and 90's. The quality of talent amongst the Ancient 8 is much stronger now than it was 25 years ago. There definitely WAS a level of de-emphasis when these schools dropped to I-AA. But they've quietly "re-emphasized" the product on the field since. Even if 30K+ crowds are still gone for good. The Harvard and Dartmouth teams that Gilmore and Chesney have faced are definitely better than those Duffner faced. Just to fine tune that, the IL dropped to I-AA starting the 1982 season . Speaking only of HYP, they did retain their quality (obviously the enrolled kids stayed thru 1985 or thereabouts) but by the end of the 1980’s they were especially diminished. Certainly agree the last 15 years or so they’ve revived for a number of reasons. |
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 1, 2021 7:22:41 GMT -5
The two biggest ones being a fine academic reputation and, of course, money.  |
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 1, 2021 8:08:58 GMT -5
History lesson All time Holy Cross is 16-18 vs Lafayette. They have been know to come to Fitton and win by 3. Hopefully not this year. Last home game of the season I hope the fans come out. Relive the PL championship in 2009 |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2021 0:24:58 GMT -5
HC is 6-2 vs #228 schedule
LAF is 3-5 vs #197 schedule
Rushing Game
LAF averages 2.6 yards per carry-distorted, of course, by NCAA practice of subtracting sack yardage from rushing. LAF has run the ball 52% of the time
OPP average 3.9 yards per carry
LAF has rushed for 41 first downs and 9 touchdown
OPP have rushed for 60 first downs and 14 touchdowns
HC averages 4.9 yards per carry. HC has run the ball 60% of the time
OPP average 2.6 yards per carry
HC has rushed for 70 first downs
OPP have rushed for 43 first downs
Passing Game
LAF completes 54% of passes, averages 7.4 yards/att, has been intercepted 7 times and sacked 32 times
LAF has passed for 55 first downs and 4 touchdowns
OPP complete 55% of passes, average 6.3 yards/att, have been intercepted 5 times and sacked 12 times
Opponents has passed for 63 first downs and 14 touchdowns
HC completes 59% of passes, averages 7.2 yards/att, has been intercepted 6 times and sacked 20 times
HC has passed for 64 first downs and 11 touchdowns
OPP complete 56% of passes, average 6.3 yards/att, have been intercepted 14 times and sacked 25 times
Opponents have passed for 69 first downs and 12 touchdowns
Red Zone Touchdowns: Advantage HC
LAF is 8 for 15 while opponents are 15 for 23
HC is 25 for 30 while opponents are 13 for 21
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 2, 2021 2:22:46 GMT -5
HC wR’s and RB’s are above average for PL and FCs competition. The Oc and QB play are below average. If we could get out of our own way HC would score 40 plus a game. Egos and game plan are getting in the way. iMO. WR’s were wide open most of the day but QB’s missed the read Corralling Sluka is like herding cats for both the opposing defense and the OC. Sluka can unilaterally win a game by doing what comes naturally, but the OC is tasked with building a game plan that involves all the HC weapons. I agree with the posters who say spontaneity can work in the PL but HC has to be firing on all cylinders to advance in the playoffs. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 2, 2021 7:25:01 GMT -5
Any guesses for attendance of the final home game?
Will HC going for 3 league titles in a row have a loud Fitton Field on Saturday afternoon?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 2, 2021 7:34:52 GMT -5
Great question. Did the Polar Park extravaganza entice the locals to try another game but at Fitton?
Haven’t checked the weather report yet but if it is a nice day, I’d go with. 6,500-7,500.
Should be senior day, right?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 2, 2021 8:09:58 GMT -5
Saturday's weather forecast is sunny, high temp of 51 with light wind and an 11% chance of rain.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 4, 2021 17:54:50 GMT -5
It's Senior Day on Saturday - will be interesting to see who among the 'listed' seniors doesn't participate (indicating they're coming back in 2022)
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2021 18:33:37 GMT -5
I would think that almost all of them will participate because they are seniors. I don't think that they wouldn't participate even if they did plan on coming back. After all, if they are listed as "seniors," why not? It's not "going to graduate in May/June Day." |
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 4, 2021 20:41:43 GMT -5
Great question. Did the Polar Park extravaganza entice the locals to try another game but at Fitton? Haven’t checked the weather report yet but if it is a nice day, I’d go with. 6,500-7,500. Should be senior day, right? As noted previously, I did not enjoy watching the game at PP. However, I was impressed by the size and the energy of the sell out crowd and hope that it translates into a large turnout at Fitton on Saturday. The team is fun to watch and deserves a good crowd. |
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2021 20:46:08 GMT -5
I would think that almost all of them will participate because they are seniors. I don't think that they wouldn't participate even if they did plan on coming back. After all, if they are listed as "seniors," why not? It's not "going to graduate in May/June Day." It would be a little awkward to participate twice in Senior Day. |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2021 20:51:46 GMT -5
As I posted before, one senior told me he's definitely staying for his 5th year. The other said he's not sure yet.
Here's the thing, I am not sure when the deadline would be for a senior to decide but pretty sure it won't be this Saturday. So, what's a "fence-sitter" supposed to do? If he takes a walk with his parents, that means he can't come back? I think he could get over any embarrassment.
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