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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 17:30:15 GMT -5
I think it is far easier to turn around a basketball program than it is for football.
Yet we are willing to be patient for hoops and accept a low bar for improvement and success- perhaps we are growing numb by the past decade and striving for mediocrity in hoops is acceptable.
We hold football to a high standard of 7 plus wins, a PL title and a win or two in the playoffs which is great, but if we do that shouldn't basketball be at 22 plus wins, a PL title or runner-up and a post season opportunity every season?
Is patience a luxury we have or are we just willing to accept it?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2021 17:54:46 GMT -5
72, I suggest you stop posting stuff like that or people will start accusing me of having two profiles on Crossports or that you are my alter ego.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 7, 2021 18:09:00 GMT -5
I think that should be the standard but we need someone to hold to that standard. I am not convinced that Nelson is the guy but I think we have to give him this year to show some serious improvement and next year to be a strong contender for the PL. He inherited a tough situation but now is the time to start moving quickly in the right direction.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 18:09:23 GMT -5
I guess we like to use questions that force people to declare balls and strikes - in other words take a position
We tend to find comfort with HC sports I call limbo. Without taking a position are we allowing status quo to continue and losing any influence we might have with our voice? Or is mediocrity acceptable to a loyal legion of Crusaders?
I am not necessarily declaring but unless we demand and expect more with our human and financial support the later will be the default.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 7, 2021 18:14:54 GMT -5
I’m on record as saying 11-7 in the PL is the mark of an acceptable season this year. More would be good but less would have me scouring the internet for the next Bob Chesney.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 18:17:39 GMT -5
I guess we like to use questions that force people to declare balls and strikes - in other words take a position We tend to find comfort with HC sports I call limbo. Without taking a position are we allowing status quo to continue and losing any influence we might have with our voice? Or is mediocrity acceptable to a loyal legion of Crusaders? I am not necessarily declaring but unless we demand and expect more with our human and financial support the later will be the default. I agree but I watched the movie Greater about Brandon Burlworth a must see for any and all who walked on. The football coach that walked into a very difficult situation at ArkansaS and turned a program around in 98-99 because - well watch the movie a wonderful story about those with less talent and skills, but an incredible faith and desire to win What Nelson encountered is comparable and I think this will be his year, but if not this board might be very busy with opinions.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2021 18:20:46 GMT -5
Except for those who contribute and/or are season ticket holders, I believe this Board has very little influence on HC athletics, which is basically a good thing.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 18:21:09 GMT -5
I’m on record as saying 11-7 in the PL is the mark of an acceptable season this year. More would be good but less would have me scouring the internet for the next Bob Chesney. I am at 9-9 in the Pl 1-1 in the Pl tourney 4-9 Oo with 2 D3 wins To me that is a low bar but something the players and coaches should achieve
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 18:25:33 GMT -5
efg72...I'm going to go opposite. I think it's harder to turn around a basketball program and here's my reasoning. In D1 hoops there are many more options for players to go to. With the current ease of transferring it's almost impossible for a school like HC to keep a high-level player. Currently IMO, it's almost impossible for HC to have sustained success in men's basketball.
How does HC get to the consistent 20 win plateau? They're going to have to get lucky in recruiting. Get a player that blossoms in college and hasn't been noticed by the AAU circus.
There is usually one D1 player from the city of Worcester a year. They more than likely go to a prep school somewhere but they're out there. Got to get one of them and start from there. Got to get lucky and build on it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 7, 2021 18:37:15 GMT -5
Judson Martindale?
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 18:57:20 GMT -5
He went to Worcester Academy. Not from Worcester. I was thinking players like Matt Mobley and Makai Ashton-Langford. They are Worcester guys.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 7, 2021 19:04:48 GMT -5
Did either of them qualify academically ? Were they recruited at a much higher level than the Patriot League ?
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Post by gks on Nov 7, 2021 19:08:31 GMT -5
Did either of them qualify academically ? Were they recruited at a much higher level than the Patriot League ? I have no idea what their academics are or were. Matt Mobley ended up at St. Bonnies...think he started at Central CT. Ashton-Langford went to PC then transferred to BC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 7, 2021 19:15:10 GMT -5
How could we forget Cedric Kuakumensah?
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 19:30:12 GMT -5
efg72...I'm going to go opposite. I think it's harder to turn around a basketball program and here's my reasoning. In D1 hoops there are many more options for players to go to. With the current ease of transferring it's almost impossible for a school like HC to keep a high-level player. Currently IMO, it's almost impossible for HC to have sustained success in men's basketball. How does HC get to the consistent 20 win plateau? They're going to have to get lucky in recruiting. Get a player that blossoms in college and hasn't been noticed by the AAU circus. There is usually one D1 player from the city of Worcester a year. They more than likely go to a prep school somewhere but they're out there. Got to get one of them and start from there. Got to get lucky and build on it. I understand your rationale For basketball one or two difference makers turns things around now. In football that number changes to 5-7 players at the skill positions and ol/dl So to me that is harder to pull off, but certainly understand your pov In the end it might come down to coaching ability, but that is the subject for another day The one certainty in the coaching profession is loyalty to each other- few will ever engage in the critiquing of another coach publicly and limit those words to private conversations with family and close friends.
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Post by trimster on Nov 7, 2021 19:56:12 GMT -5
I guess we like to use questions that force people to declare balls and strikes - in other words take a position We tend to find comfort with HC sports I call limbo. Without taking a position are we allowing status quo to continue and losing any influence we might have with our voice? Or is mediocrity acceptable to a loyal legion of Crusaders? I am not necessarily declaring but unless we demand and expect more with our human and financial support the later will be the default. Even worse than accepting mediocricy is not caring at all and that is where the vast majority the fans of Central Mass are at when it comes to HC athletics.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 7, 2021 19:59:10 GMT -5
Even worse than accepting mediocricy is not caring at all and that is where the vast majority the fans of Central Mass are at when it comes to HC athletics. Then they are missing out when it comes to football. Nobody wants to hear the same tired excuses of why people aren't interested.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 7, 2021 20:03:08 GMT -5
I guess we like to use questions that force people to declare balls and strikes - in other words take a position We tend to find comfort with HC sports I call limbo. Without taking a position are we allowing status quo to continue and losing any influence we might have with our voice? Or is mediocrity acceptable to a loyal legion of Crusaders? I am not necessarily declaring but unless we demand and expect more with our human and financial support the later will be the default. Even worse than accepting mediocricy is not caring at all and that is where the vast majority the fans of Central Mass are at when it comes to HC athletics. Ugh that is disappointing
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Post by matunuck on Nov 7, 2021 20:05:09 GMT -5
It’s been 7 years since we’ve had a winning record in men’s basketball. Hopefully, the Great Pumpkin will actually arrive for us this season.
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