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Post by timholycross on Nov 14, 2021 19:29:12 GMT -5
FYI, NESCAC went to 9 games in recent years. It finally dawned on those geniuses that a 10 team league might declare a champion more fairly if everyone played everyone else.
It was 8 games a season forever and ever. Remember that Williams had a kid named Ethan Brooks that played in the NFL; it dawned on me when I read about him that one NFL season was twice the length of a NESCAC season.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 14, 2021 19:46:39 GMT -5
The idea of slotting the last place team into a post season game baffles me That’s what baffles you regarding a notional first place NESCAC v last place Ivy fantasy relegation game?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 14, 2021 19:50:44 GMT -5
The last place Ivy team would beat first place NESCAC by 4+ scores. Totally different level of football. It’d be a bloodbath.
The size of the lines would be an incredible mismatch.
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Post by gks on Nov 14, 2021 19:52:18 GMT -5
The fascination over Ivy League and NESCAC football is always baffling to me.
Couldn't think of two more arrogant, self-serving, full of hot air entities that think they know better than everyone else.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2021 19:59:34 GMT -5
IMO all true, and don't forget "anti-Catholic."
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Post by hcpride on Nov 14, 2021 20:00:05 GMT -5
The last place Ivy team would beat first place NESCAC by 4+ scores. Totally different level of football. It’d be a bloodbath. The size of the lines would be an incredible mismatch. Yes, there’s that whole size (and skill) thing. I wouldn’t plan on frequent relegation.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2021 20:03:48 GMT -5
If either side got hurt in such games, I would not shed a single tear.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 14, 2021 20:12:01 GMT -5
The bowls could invite whoever they want. The FBS postseason is not run by the NCAA. But rhe Ivies wouldn't go. The postseason ban actually far precedes their relegation to I-AA. Back in the early 1970s, Dartmouth was the last Ivy team to finish a season in AP Top 25. Paterno tried to set up a bowl game between Penn St and Dartmouth but was rebuffed. What precipitated this was that JoPa was none too pleased that Dartmouth won the Lambert Trophy ovah his Nittany Lions that year (1970). Fairly certain that was the last Ivy team to win the Lambert Trophy (not Lambert Cup). Paterno probably had a point but the Indians were undefeated to PSU's multiple loss team. Winning the Lambert Trophy (and Cup) was a pretty big deal back then...it's been watered down with all the league changes, FCS playoffs now. The Globe used to print the Lambert poll during the season as well as a box for the standings of the mythical "East Indies" Conference. I guess the new "East Indies" Conference would be Army, UConn and UMass with Army winning the mythical championship. The old one had Penn State, Pitt, BC, West Virginia, etc.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 14, 2021 20:21:42 GMT -5
The last place Ivy team would beat first place NESCAC by 4+ scores. Totally different level of football. It’d be a bloodbath. The size of the lines would be an incredible mismatch. I checked Bowdoin as an example-maybe other NESCAC schools have different sized players-- and Bowdoin's offensive line players average 250 pounds. On defense, 7 of 13 defensive linemen weighed less than 200 pounds- not a typo compare to Brown: offensive linemen on roster average 283 pounds and d line players average 245 for both team this was just a quick audit of the rosters with no consideration of who plays and who does not
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 14, 2021 21:13:39 GMT -5
Assuming all of you would have a totally different take if we were talking hoops rather than football.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 14, 2021 21:30:42 GMT -5
Agree with SOV that regionalization is a priority. They sent to care less about two “weaker” teams playing in the first round if it reduces travel. So, it’s mostly a question of whether there are the right number of teams from the northeast who are not seeded teams (like Villanova should be) playing first round games. Bentley is at New Haven in D-2. They play in the same conference but the regionalization is the reason.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 14, 2021 21:33:16 GMT -5
Speaking of the NESCAC, they have an Ivy-like postseason ban in football. They play an 8-game conference-only schedule and do not participate in the DIII playoffs. I believe that they start the regular season October 1st and camp doesn't start until basically around the same time regular students move in. And the NESCAC is very competitive in D3 athletics across the board. You'd think that the top teams would make noise in the NCAA football bracket as well. Maybe the Ivy will cave and agree to two bowl games. Ivy champ plays the Patriot League champ. Last place Ivy gets the NESCAC champ. 9 game season in the NESCAC....
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 14, 2021 21:50:11 GMT -5
bfoley is right on this one (Hamilton is the 10th member in football). But I like ny's suggestion. Princeton/HC in a bowl game this year would be great.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 14, 2021 22:13:03 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2021 4:29:34 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut? IMHO, one of the very very few smart PL football decisions was to stop the silly Ivy League copycat pose and start participating in the playoffs. Heck, a HC playoff win or two is far more significant at this point than a PL football title.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2021 5:17:34 GMT -5
The last place Ivy team would beat first place NESCAC by 4+ scores. Totally different level of football. It’d be a bloodbath. The size of the lines would be an incredible mismatch. I checked Bowdoin as an example- maybe other NESCAC schools have different sized… FWIW Bowdoin was dead last this year. Williams was undefeated (9-0) and first place. (I did a quick check and Williams has 5 300 lb offensive linemen on their 80+ roster. Fun Williams roster fact: Colgate’s old coach Dan Hunt is an assistant) It is understood the Ivy last place team would be heavily favored. (It is also understood I’m not serious…an Ivy v NESCAC relegation game ain’t happening for a trillion reasons.)
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 15, 2021 6:26:56 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut? Yes, and here's why. 1. The FCS playoffs are too long. 2. There is no commonality between HC and the vast majority of other FCS schools 3. There is precedent for two conferences to end their season with a "bowl" game, e.g., the Rose Bowl traditionally pits the PAC-12 winner against the Big Ten winner. There is a proposal out there to remove these two conferences from the BCS playoffs. 4. A "bowl" game between the two top academic conferences in the U.S. would have cachet. Having said all of this, I am delighted that HC is in the FCS playoffs this year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2021 6:37:48 GMT -5
You guys know we were joking about the Ivy-NESCAC bowl game right?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2021 6:39:46 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut? Yes, and here's why. 1. The FCS playoffs are too long. 2. There is no commonality between HC and the vast majority of other FCS schools 3. There is precedent for two conferences to end their season with a "bowl" game, e.g., the Rose Bowl traditionally pits the PAC-12 winner against the Big Ten winner. There is a proposal out there to remove these two conferences from the BCS playoffs. 4. A "bowl" game between the two top academic conferences in the U.S. would have cachet. Having said all of this, I am delighted that HC is in the FCS playoffs this year. 1.The playoffs are not too long when you’re in them. 2. We have plenty in common with plenty of teams (in PL, in OOC, and in playoffs). College football teams play the same game, for starters. Ditto basketball (PL, OOC, and March Madness) 3. True. See 4, below. 4. My goofy NESCAC winner v Ivy loser relegation bowl plan fits that bill even better. Cachet indeed.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2021 6:43:09 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut? Yes, and here's why. 1. The FCS playoffs are too long. 2. There is no commonality between HC and the vast majority of other FCS schools 3. There is precedent for two conferences to end their season with a "bowl" game, e.g., the Rose Bowl traditionally pits the PAC-12 winner against the Big Ten winner. There is a proposal out there to remove these two conferences from the BCS playoffs. 4. A "bowl" game between the two top academic conferences in the U.S. would have cachet. Having said all of this, I am delighted that HC is in the FCS playoffs this year. Small point about there Rose bowl. IIRC, It did not start as a league vs league bowl. That was done years later to keep Catholic schools out - specifically Fordham. The Rams were having their best season and many pundits thought they deserved an invite. The Bowl Committee did not want them, hence the Pac 10 vs Big 10 exclusionary match-up. If our Fordham guest has more details on this, perhaps (if he is still out there) he can fill them in.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 15, 2021 7:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by bikeman on Nov 15, 2021 7:59:16 GMT -5
I would rather HC schedule FCS national powers ooc than play the Ivies. The Ivies should just play with themselves. They offer nothing to anyone.
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Post by gks on Nov 15, 2021 8:22:57 GMT -5
So you'd rather see HC in a ferkakta "bowl" rather than the 1AA playoffs? Wut? Yes, and here's why. 1. The FCS playoffs are too long. 2. There is no commonality between HC and the vast majority of other FCS schools 3. There is precedent for two conferences to end their season with a "bowl" game, e.g., the Rose Bowl traditionally pits the PAC-12 winner against the Big Ten winner. There is a proposal out there to remove these two conferences from the BCS playoffs. 4. A "bowl" game between the two top academic conferences in the U.S. would have cachet. Having said all of this, I am delighted that HC is in the FCS playoffs this year. Then you also feel the NCAA basketball tournament is too long.... Except for those associated with participating schools....there would be no interest in a PL-Ivy Bowl game. Zero. Start winning games after Thanksgiving then the 1AA playoffs will be just fine.
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2021 8:27:39 GMT -5
Looking at the bylaws, a minimum of 12 feet is required between the endline and what I will categorize as an obstruction, in this case a fence. From Google maps, it appears there is about 15 feet between the endline and the fence. Google imagery was pre videoboard, and I assume the installation of the videoboard didn't move the fence. But there is this killer spec, IMO, new this year. I know I'm in the minority on this one, but this is actually the first good reason I've seen why HC should be worrying about the visiting locker room
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2021 8:35:41 GMT -5
I would rather HC schedule FCS national powers ooc than play the Ivies. The Ivies should just play with themselves. They offer nothing to anyone. Disagree on this one. Some of our most cherished rivalry games in football are against the Ancient 8. But Ill take the NCAA playoffs and the opportunity to go up against FCS powers over a bowl game with the Ivy. How often would the PL-IVY bowl be a repeat matchup? I still think such a bowl game held at Yankee or Fenway would be cool, but a) it will never happen and b) would rather compete in national tournament. This year the PL-IVY matchup would likely be HC-DARTMOUTH which would be pretty cool. Especially since this was the rare year we didn't play them regular season.
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