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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2021 8:43:57 GMT -5
Anyone have any info on the status of HC vs Harvard going forward?
Harvard doesn't list any non-leaguers on the "FCS Future Schedules" site from 2022 onward.
Our series w/Yale is on there; and unless, God forbid, the Ivies went to 11 games, no possibility of playing Dartmouth until 2025. HC has 2 or 3 (and in 2026, four) games to fill in each year.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 15, 2021 8:55:23 GMT -5
Regarding gks's statement RE: zero interest in PL-Ivy bowl game except for those associated with participating schools. Attendance wise, same holds true for each and every FCS playoff game. FCS Championship game (SHS v. SDSU) drew 3000 fewer fans than HC/Colgate at Polar Park.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 15, 2021 9:01:21 GMT -5
Yeah but last FCS championship was played during COVID. I am sure it had an effect on attendance.
On the IVYS they won't play in the FCS playoffs because they won't turn over how they handle scholarships to the NCAA.
If we never played them again I would be alright. Maybe 1 game a year against an IVY. We have Yale locked up for a while. They get more credit nationally if they played in the FCS playoffs or even scheduled better out of conference games.
Also the IVY fanbases are non existent.
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Post by gks on Nov 15, 2021 9:02:03 GMT -5
Regarding gks's statement RE: zero interest in PL-Ivy bowl game except for those associated with participating schools. Attendance wise, same holds true for each and every FCS playoff game. FCS Championship game (SHS v. SDSU) drew 3000 fewer fans than HC/Colgate at Polar Park. You want to build a national, top flight program you go to the FCS playoffs. Who cares what Sam Houston and South Dakota State drew. You want to play in oblivion and isolation...follow the Ivies down their path.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 15, 2021 9:12:19 GMT -5
OK, then who cares that PL-Ivy matchup would have zero interest outside of participating schools?
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Post by gks on Nov 15, 2021 9:18:01 GMT -5
OK, then who cares that PL-Ivy matchup would have zero interest outside of participating schools? If you don't want a nationally relevant football program then this post-season game is the way to go. You have a coach right now that could care less about the Ivies or the rest of the PL for that matter. He's trying to build a national FCS brand like he did at D2 Assumption. He'd absolutely laugh at this 'bowl' game. For what it's worth the Ivy League schools could care less about HC, and the rest of the PL.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 15, 2021 9:20:11 GMT -5
Good discussion but since the Ivy League would never do a "bowl" game with anyone, including the Patriot league, it's an academic (pun intended) question. If they were to consider it, which they won't, the PL would be the league they'd play.
So, let's re-focus on the FCS playoffs. Reality vs. theoretical.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 15, 2021 9:24:02 GMT -5
A temporary solution regarding the visitors locker room, until a complete remodel of Fitton would be similar to Yale.
At Yale, visitors have two locker rooms, one at the former Connecticut Tennis Center that is used before and after the game, and another smaller locker room in the Yale Bowl.
Maybe HC should consider converting the lower level of the maintenance building, next to the garage, on a temporary basis, to a visiting team locker room, with adequate room for 70+ to prepare pre and post game requirements.
Obviously not an ideal solution, but it would also allow adequate space for the visiting team families to meet after the game next to Freshmen Field. The current configuration with the visitors lockeroom and their busses causes congestion at the open end of the stadium post game.
I have been to several stadium facilities, where a walk by a visiting team, much longer than from the Fitton Field to the current maintenance building is required. If anyone has attended a game at the Yale Bowl, you will be familiar with their game day logistics.
Hope that in my lifetime, I can see a remodeled Fitton that will fully address this issue. As many have estimated, the changes required with ADA compliance will run into the double digit millions to accomplish, for this facility.
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Post by gks on Nov 15, 2021 9:28:35 GMT -5
A temporary solution regarding the visitors locker room, until a complete remodel of Fitton would be similar to Yale. At Yale, visitors have two locker rooms, one at the former Connecticut Tennis Center that is used before and after the game, and another smaller locker room in the Yale Bowl. Maybe HC should consider converting the lower level of the maintenance building, next to the garage, on a temporary basis, to a visiting team locker room, with adequate room for 70+ to prepare pre and post game requirements. Obviously not an ideal solution, but it would also allow adequate space for the visiting team families to meet after the game next to Freshmen Field. I have been to several stadium facilities, where a walk by a visiting team, much longer than from the Fitton Field to the current maintenance building is required. If anyone has attended a game at the Yale Bowl, you will be familiar with their game day logistics. Hope that in my lifetime, I can see a remodeled Fitton that will fully address this issue. As many have estimated, the changes required with ADA compliance will run into the double digit millions to accomplish, for this facility. There is plenty of space under and next to the baseball stands where you could build basic locker rooms.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2021 9:31:52 GMT -5
A temporary solution regarding the visitors locker room, until a complete remodel of Fitton would be similar to Yale. At Yale, visitors have two locker rooms, one at the former Connecticut Tennis Center that is used before and after the game, and another smaller locker room in the Yale Bowl. Maybe HC should consider converting the lower level of the maintenance building, next to the garage, on a temporary basis, to a visiting team locker room, with adequate room for 70+ to prepare pre and post game requirements. Obviously not an ideal solution, but it would also allow adequate space for the visiting team families to meet after the game next to Freshmen Field. I have been to several stadium facilities, where a walk by a visiting team, much longer than from the Fitton Field to the current maintenance building is required. If anyone has attended a game at the Yale Bowl, you will be familiar with their game day logistics. Hope that in my lifetime, I can see a remodeled Fitton that will fully address this issue. As many have estimated, the changes required with ADA compliance will run into the double digit millions to accomplish, for this facility. Good idea. The double digit millions will equate to a high cost per home game, but a little less so if we start getting home playoff games. A troubling trend is the attendance at Fordham was listed at 3331 or something for the biggest regular season game scenario the PL is capable of ahieving - a battle for the championship. The secular live attendance trend is worrisome when weighing various needs at HC.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 15, 2021 9:32:00 GMT -5
When your confrence the PL is ranked lower then the Northeast confrence. That is tough to take.
I am looking at you Bucknell 1996? I wasn't even born yet. I am looking at you Georgetown. Every year oh the Hoyas are turning the corner this year. Oh their recruiting class is good this year. Oh we got better facilities now. Oh we finished second in the past. Enough Enough making excuses for them. Your team is a joke.
Your basketball team lost to Yale.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 15, 2021 9:34:59 GMT -5
True, there is room under the stands at the baseball field. However, it is subject to flood. Converting the maintenance building provides the elevation above the plain.
Seems more feasible to place the equipment in that location, and move when necessary, than to build locker rooms under baseball stands.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2021 9:45:10 GMT -5
Until HC beats Yale and Harvard in the same year, I want to see us continue against the Ivies...and to add Dartmouth to that mix.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2021 9:45:40 GMT -5
Also the IVY fanbases are non existent. Then what are PL fanbases? The Ivy outdraws the PL by a good margin.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2021 9:51:11 GMT -5
When your confrence the PL is ranked lower then the Northeast confrence. That is tough to take. I am looking at you Bucknell 1996? I wasn't even born yet. I am looking at you Georgetown. Every year oh the Hoyas are turning the corner this year. Oh their recruiting class is good this year. Oh we got better facilities now. Oh we finished second in the past. Enough Enough making excuses for them. Your team is a joke. Your basketball team lost to Yale. I see LIU (entered FCS 10 minutes ago) is ranked above Bucknell in Massey. Maybe Bucknell should be relegated to Pioneer League next year (football only) We’ll take U Albany (relegated from CAA). Win - Win. On another front, Sagarin NOW has just 2 CAA teams in the playoffs with us playing the unseeded one (Nova) and SHU and Monmouth traveling far for their games. W&M just outside the playoffs. (Things will change and this is just one site…FWIW I’d like to avoid Nova this round.) www.google.com/amp/s/www.college-sports-journal.com/csj-sagarin-2021-ncaa-fcs-playoff-projection-nov-14/%3famp
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 15, 2021 9:51:11 GMT -5
Also the IVY fanbases are non existent. Then what are PL fanbases? The Ivy outdraws the PL by a good margin. Yeah because Bucknell and Georgetown are a joke. Neither bring any away fans anywhere. I would challenge that HC brings more away fans to any of these PL or Ivy games then anyone. If you want big crowds it has to be both sides brining fans. Look at Yales home opener crowd. Look at HC vs Harvard at Fitton. 100 Harvard fans maybe. Half those people on the away side are HC fans. I don't care about anybody else but HC. We draw better then almost all of the IVYS. On playing Harvard and Yale and Dartmouth why do we always play the same toughest 3. Why not change it up and take the layup IVY game. We get little credit if we win the game like we did vs Yale this year and get killed for losing like we did vs Harvard.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 15, 2021 9:59:18 GMT -5
Well, whatever HC might do to enhance the visiting locker room, it isn't going to be in time for this year's playoffs.
Unless and until Fitton gets a major makeover, and I have absolutely no expertise in construction, if there is discussion about a locker room under the baseball stands, why not under the football stands? The Crusader locker room is on the visiting side, right? Why the heck is it there? That causes the usual issues at halftime as the two teams have to cross each others' paths to get to the locker room. Why not make the current home locker room the visiting team's locker room as it is presumably at least "good enough" and then build brand, spanking new home lockers under the home stands? That is certainly above any flood plain issues. Not only gets our guys new digs (why give the visitors a new place - "previously owned" should be good enough) but prevents the occasional kerfuffle as the teams cross paths, since they won't.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 15, 2021 10:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2021 10:12:11 GMT -5
The space under the football stands is clearly underutilized, including expanding/remodeling the dressing room that's the visitor's. The problem is not where that room is, it's the condition/size of same.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2021 10:18:12 GMT -5
If it’ll help us avoid Nova in the opening round, I’m hoping URI beats a decent Elon: CAA JMU and Nova are locks, after that URI looks pretty good with a winnable final game (but Massey doesn't necessarily think so) that could get them in as the 3rd CAA team. William & Mary needs a lot of help I think even if they win their final game. I'm going to guess the CAA gets 3 in… My last 4 in, in no particular order would be Mercer, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Stephen F Austin.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2021 10:23:42 GMT -5
Then what are PL fanbases? The Ivy outdraws the PL by a good margin. Yeah because Bucknell and Georgetown are a joke. Neither bring any away fans anywhere. I would challenge that HC brings more away fans to any of these PL or Ivy games then anyone. If you want big crowds it has to be both sides brining fans. Look at Yales home opener crowd. Look at HC vs Harvard at Fitton. 100 Harvard fans maybe. Half those people on the away side are HC fans. I don't care about anybody else but HC. We draw better then almost all of the IVYS. On playing Harvard and Yale and Dartmouth why do we always play the same toughest 3. Why not change it up and take the layup IVY game. We get little credit if we win the game like we did vs Yale this year and get killed for losing like we did vs Harvard. One reason is because Harvard, Yale, Brown and Dartmouth are the New England schools we have the century plus traditions with. Payback against Harvard will be sweet.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2021 10:28:57 GMT -5
The space under the football stands is clearly underutilized, including expanding/remodeling the dressing room that's the visitor's. The problem is not where that room is, it's the condition/size of same. I wonder if the land under the end zone is more or less flood prone than the two sideline spaces? I used to enjoy a hot dog at the refreshment stand they had there. I wonder what year the last dog was sold and if the actual stand is still there. I'm assuming it closed long ago.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2021 10:30:14 GMT -5
My hunch: Villanova beats UD and gets a seed at 9-2 (only 2 losses Penn St and William & Mary). I think in that case our matchup feeds into Philadelphia. I see William and Mary AND VMI both winning this weekend (with Monmouth losing). And Im going to project William & Mary-VMI feeding into Harrisonburg.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2021 10:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah because Bucknell and Georgetown are a joke. Neither bring any away fans anywhere. I would challenge that HC brings more away fans to any of these PL or Ivy games then anyone. If you want big crowds it has to be both sides brining fans. Look at Yales home opener crowd. Look at HC vs Harvard at Fitton. 100 Harvard fans maybe. Half those people on the away side are HC fans. I don't care about anybody else but HC. We draw better then almost all of the IVYS. On playing Harvard and Yale and Dartmouth why do we always play the same toughest 3. Why not change it up and take the layup IVY game. We get little credit if we win the game like we did vs Yale this year and get killed for losing like we did vs Harvard. One reason is because Harvard, Yale, Brown and Dartmouth are the New England schools we have the century plus traditions with. Payback against Harvard will be sweet. Bison can confirm but I think Bucknell travels well for basketball. The section behind their bench is orange for games at the Hart when they are good.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2021 10:33:35 GMT -5
If it’ll help us avoid Nova in the opening round, I’m hoping URI beats a decent Elon: CAA JMU and Nova are locks, after that URI looks pretty good with a winnable final game (but Massey doesn't necessarily think so) that could get them in as the 3rd CAA team. William & Mary needs a lot of help I think even if they win their final game. I'm going to guess the CAA gets 3 in… My last 4 in, in no particular order would be Mercer, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Stephen F Austin.I think avoiding Villanova in the Round of 24 is more contingent on whether Nova takes care of business against Delaware. If so, they deserve a seed in my opinion. Right now Kennessaw State is in the Top 8 -- if they lose to Monmouth, they'll lose the chance for a seed and increase Novas chance for a seed. IMO Villanova is a national title contender and like you I want nothing to do with them in the first round. Hoping they clinch that Top 8 seed which they deserve with a win next week.
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