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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2021 16:15:19 GMT -5
dHarry: Excellent point. I agree. The reality is that we can only speculate. We are not familiar with the intimate details of the process. At least I’m not. It’s only fair to give the HC AD team the benefit of the doubt. I also agree that, if we don’t get the home game, I hope there will be some messaging (perhaps through Jen Tolland) that HC did submit a competitive bid but it was rejected. I simply don't see a selection committee having a #22 (HC) playing a #23 or #24 in the first round while a #15 has to play a #18. If someone can show me a precedent (excluding the play-in games for the Dance) in a NCAA Championship with brackets where this regularly occurs, then I will think otherwise. Colgate at New Hampshire rings a bell: unhwildcats.com/news/2015/11/28/FB_1128151336.aspxTwo unranked teams. Meanwhile, there were five other first round games that pitted ranked teams against each other. More recently, in 2018: www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401100040
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2021 16:33:43 GMT -5
We will know soon enough-- take care of business on Saturday and go 9-2 and then wait for the call on Sunday
I looked at the predictions for the season-- 37 of 51 had the team with 8 plus wins--
Here is the breakdown again
10-11= Everything comes together
8 votes (15.69%)
8-9= Excellent season versus a tough schedule
29 votes (56.86%)
6-7= Not bad, but many hoped for better
13 votes (25.49%)
4-5= Keenly disappointing, no doubt
0 votes (0%)
3 or fewer= Disaster--what happened?
1 vote (1.96%)
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Post by Tom on Nov 16, 2021 16:34:48 GMT -5
I simply don't see a selection committee having a #22 (HC) playing a #23 or #24 in the first round while a #15 has to play a #18. If someone can show me a precedent (excluding the play-in games for the Dance) in a NCAA Championship with brackets where this regularly occurs, then I will think otherwise. Finally, if URI was HC"s opponent, and URI has submitted a bid, why should HC prevail over URI's bid? (URI has lights.) Isn't the URI AD associated in some way with the selection committee? As long as the top 8 are secure in their byes, the selection committee might weigh proximity more heavily than strict bracketology per the polls. Otherwise why do bids at all and just send #24 to #9, etc? For what it's worth, back in 2019, 5 of the 8 opening round games had what I would consider a regional matchup. That seems like a percentage to be coincidental on pure seedings. Proximity of opponent is very likely a factor ------------------- I think if HC winds up with a road game, we will never know if HC put in a serious bid, a lame bid just for show, or no bid at all. It is not a stretch to think the interim status of our AD could be a factor in HC decision to seriously bid on a game
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 16, 2021 16:42:02 GMT -5
We will know soon enough-- take care of business on Saturday and go 9-2 and then wait for the call on Sunday I looked at the predictions for the season-- 37 of 51 had the team with 8 plus wins-- Here is the breakdown again 10-11= Everything comes together 8 votes (15.69%) 8-9= Excellent season versus a tough schedule 29 votes (56.86%) 6-7= Not bad, but many hoped for better 13 votes (25.49%) 4-5= Keenly disappointing, no doubt 0 votes (0%) 3 or fewer= Disaster--what happened? 1 vote (1.96%) The question then, is whom, among those in the 8-9 category (which I believe included me), would have predicted the two losses that we suffered. I'll guess that anyone able to place a $1,000 prop bet that had us sitting at 8-2 on November 17th AND had the "2" being Harvard (okay) and Merrimack, would be a wealthy Crusader today. Maybe wealthy enough to endow the Head Football Coach position!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 16, 2021 16:42:04 GMT -5
I simply don't see a selection committee having a #22 (HC) playing a #23 or #24 in the first round while a #15 has to play a #18. If someone can show me a precedent (excluding the play-in games for the Dance) in a NCAA Championship with brackets where this regularly occurs, then I will think otherwise. Colgate at New Hampshire rings a bell: unhwildcats.com/news/2015/11/28/FB_1128151336.aspxTwo unranked teams. Meanwhile, there were five other first round games that pitted ranked teams against each other. More recently, in 2018: www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401100040In 2015, Fordham was ranked #14 / #15 in the last polls before selection Sunday. Colgate then beat them in the last game of the season, and rewarded with the PL autobid. So credit given to 'Gate for beating a ranked team In 2018, UNI was ranked pretty high pre-season, and subsequently in and out of the lower tier of both polls all season. So some bracketing hubris at play.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2021 16:52:06 GMT -5
What's your point?
Colgate was unranked at 7-4 in 2015 and played an unranked UNH team who was 7-4. So that's two unranked 7-4 teams who played each other in the first round. Is it by coincidence these teams were geographically closest to each other compared to other teams in the first round? Why didn't either of these two teams go play Montana (#16) or South Dakota State (#10) -- who played each other -- in the first round?
Northern Iowa was 6-5 and unranked at the conclusion of the 2018 season, who played unranked 7-4 Lamar. One of Lamar's wins came against an NAIA school.
Do you need more examples?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 16, 2021 17:15:12 GMT -5
Well, Ignutz, as we used to say when we were 6 or 7 years old, you "made me look."
On August 16th, my predictions (some right on the money, some couldn't have been more wrong but all worked out in the end):
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Post by HC92 on Nov 16, 2021 17:38:18 GMT -5
It shouldn’t matter if the game is at HC or URI or SHU. Hopefully the school can rally the students and get several buses heading to the game if it’s a short trip.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 16, 2021 17:43:17 GMT -5
Don’t the selection rules clearly state that geography will be a factor in selecting the first round matchups?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2021 17:53:12 GMT -5
Don’t the selection rules clearly state that geography will be a factor in selecting the first round matchups? Yes
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Post by hcpride on Nov 16, 2021 18:01:51 GMT -5
Agree with SOV that regionalization is a priority. They sent to care less about two “weaker” teams playing in the first round if it reduces travel. So, it’s mostly a question of whether there are the right number of teams from the northeast who are not seeded teams (like Villanova should be) playing first round games. Agreed on all fronts. The seeded teams receive a first-round bye in the tournament. The remaining 16 teams play first-round games and are paired according to geographic proximity and then placed in the bracket according to geographic proximity to the top eight seeds. Teams cannot travel more than 400 miles via ground, and teams from the same conference that played each other during the regular season will not be paired for first-round games.
www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2020-01-11/fcs-championship-everything-you-need-knowBump - see underlined (note: there may be an odd number of teams, ‘geographic proximity’ is a relative term, etc.)
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 16, 2021 18:13:14 GMT -5
This is going to be the Saturday after Thanksgiving will students be around?
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Post by timholycross on Nov 16, 2021 19:10:29 GMT -5
Round of 16- 12/4 (1) Quarterfinals - 12/11 (2) First Round- 11/27 (3) Semifinals- 12/18 (4)
That's pretty much the rounds in the order that they'll be better attended. Better odds of kids coming back early for Thanksgiving than them staying before Christmas. And 12/11 at most places is the beginning of exam week.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 16, 2021 19:40:05 GMT -5
What do we think can the Cross make a run this year?
Haven't had a dud game in a while. I hope we are prepared for some better teams. That Fordham game helped.
Looking forward to it.
As an aside I would like to finish the year with Fordham. Nice rivalry game with a trophy at the end of it. Haven't loss since Yankee stadium. That is 5 in a row.
Next year we play Fordham on a similar date around Polar Park this year. You can probably bet HC vs Fordham at Polar Park next year.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2021 19:47:53 GMT -5
Based on the opponent...yes, for sure.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 16, 2021 19:51:12 GMT -5
Oops my finger slipped and I accidentally bought several photos at $50 a pop.😂 But seriously, I hope several parents and grandparents bought photos. Williams and Amherst families can afford it I get paid by the school to be there...you recognize that right? Yes of course, but I assumed the photos were available for purchase by the logical market of players, friends and relatives. I felt good for you that you had the gig at Amherst/Williams where at least some families serve grey poupon at their tailgate spread and can afford discretionary spending. Do the schools prohibit re-sale of the photos they commissioned? A smart phone from the stands can't get the shots the credentialed photographers can so I can understand why there would be a market for the pictures.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 16, 2021 20:00:00 GMT -5
It was bitcoin that crashed today. Crossports is closely monitored.🙂
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 16, 2021 20:10:25 GMT -5
Well, Ignutz, as we used to say when we were 6 or 7 years old, you "made me look." On August 16th, my predictions (some right on the money, some couldn't have been more wrong but all worked out in the end): I’d give you a gentleman’s A- . Nicely done.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 16, 2021 20:31:11 GMT -5
I simply don't see a selection committee having a #22 (HC) playing a #23 or #24 in the first round while a #15 has to play a #18. If someone can show me a precedent (excluding the play-in games for the Dance) in a NCAA Championship with brackets where this regularly occurs, then I will think otherwise. Finally, if URI was HC"s opponent, and URI has submitted a bid, why should HC prevail over URI's bid? (URI has lights.) Isn't the URI AD associated in some way with the selection committee? As long as the top 8 are secure in their byes, the selection committee might weigh proximity more heavily than strict bracketology per the polls. Otherwise why do bids at all and just send #24 to #9, etc? For what it's worth, back in 2019, 5 of the 8 opening round games had what I would consider a regional matchup. That seems like a percentage to be coincidental on pure seedings. Proximity of opponent is very likely a factor ------------------- I think if HC winds up with a road game, we will never know if HC put in a serious bid, a lame bid just for show, or no bid at all. It is not a stretch to think the interim status of our AD could be a factor in HC decision to seriously bid on a game Or the two interims, one who has been with Chesney for years and the other who has been with HC forever, are taking this hyper seriously whereas perhaps FADMB would be taking it professionally but not with the same excitement.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 16, 2021 21:02:51 GMT -5
As for hosting, the Saturday after Thanksgiving is a tough date. Almost no students on campus. Might get just as many HC fans at URI or SHU as at HC. I will be there as long as it’s at any of those places or Nova.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 16, 2021 21:49:28 GMT -5
I get the appeal of the FCS playoffs, and I'm thrilled we'll be going again, but they are a very awkward fit for colleges, particularly those in a colder clime. Thanksgiving, Final Exams, Christmas etc etc make them a tough time squeeze for players and fans alike. I suppose it is what it is, but it's not a perfect system by any means. Not sure there's a bettah solution given the #of teams involved though.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2021 22:01:20 GMT -5
I get the appeal of the FCS playoffs, and I'm thrilled we'll be going again, but they are a very awkward fit for colleges, particularly those in a colder clime. Thanksgiving, Final Exams, Christmas etc etc make them a tough time squeeze for players and fans alike. I suppose it is what it is, but it's not a perfect system by any means. Not sure there's a bettah solution given the #of teams involved though. Very true. I wish playoff games brought in the types of crowds that the games themselves deserve. As someone who traveled to Brookings, SD last year I'll tell you that was a once-in-a-lifetime type of experience. I was also at the other two playoff games in my lifetime (Monmouth and Villanova). And somehow a playoff crowd of 4,000 tends to have the "feel" of a regular season announced crowd of 7,000. Maybe it's because everyone who goes actually stays inside the stadium. Or is it because a regular season attendance figure counts season ticket holders that don't actually show? I don't know.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2021 22:03:04 GMT -5
As for hosting, the Saturday after Thanksgiving is a tough date. Almost no students on campus. Might get just as many HC fans at URI or SHU as at HC. I will be there as long as it’s at any of those places or Nova. Same. Given how well we do on the road, I selfishly wouldn't mind an easy trip to SHU. But I also am the black sheep who somehow hasn't made it to a football game in Worcester since 2018 so an excuse to get back to Fitton would be welcome too.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 16, 2021 22:05:45 GMT -5
I get the appeal of the FCS playoffs, and I'm thrilled we'll be going again, but they are a very awkward fit for colleges, particularly those in a colder clime. Thanksgiving, Final Exams, Christmas etc etc make them a tough time squeeze for players and fans alike. I suppose it is what it is, but it's not a perfect system by any means. Not sure there's a bettah solution given the #of teams involved though. Are you an Ivy League Administrator during the day per chance?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 16, 2021 22:10:54 GMT -5
dHarry: Excellent point. I agree. The reality is that we can only speculate. We are not familiar with the intimate details of the process. At least I’m not. It’s only fair to give the HC AD team the benefit of the doubt. I also agree that, if we don’t get the home game, I hope there will be some messaging (perhaps through Jen Tolland) that HC did submit a competitive bid but it was rejected. It may be that HC looked at the bid specs, and concluded it could not meet all of them, or it would be too costly to meet them. For example, if lights are required, HC would need to find a contractor who could install them in five days time. (The cost to Univ of Iowa for temporary lighting a decade ago was $50-60,000 per game just for the stadium.) Its certainly cheaper when you can put that job out for competitive bids, but little time for that at this juncture. If lighting is a required spec, HC's bid would need to include a signed contract with the company who will provide the lights, and HC probably would need to pay the contractor a percentage of the total contract as a non-refundable deposit. (Then there is temporary lighting for unlit parking areas such as Freshman Field. The lawyers will insist on it.) The replay system must be a NCAA-specified system. I do not know whether the PL replay system, which is standard for the PL, is the same system specified by the NCAA. If not, HC would need to install a new replay system in a week's time. And (potentially) on and on. As for PL teams in previous years hosting first round games, what was their ranking in the polls at the time? HC is unranked in the two polls that appear on the NCAA's website, and which presumably are considered by the selection committee when creating the brackets. I simply don't see a selection committee having a #22 (HC) playing a #23 or #24 in the first round while a #15 has to play a #18. If someone can show me a precedent (excluding the play-in games for the Dance) in a NCAA Championship with brackets where this regularly occurs, then I will think otherwise. Finally, if URI was HC"s opponent, and URI has submitted a bid, why should HC prevail over URI's bid? (URI has lights.) Isn't the URI AD associated in some way with the selection committee? I'm sipping a refreshing Polar orange seltzer and wondering where HC could find lights already installed to skip the $60,000 rush job. Hmm.
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