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Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2021 15:47:24 GMT -5
In case you are wondering, a dollar goes a might further in Alabama than New England.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 30, 2021 16:51:03 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Temple and Delaware to be honest. Most particularly Delaware.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2021 17:02:15 GMT -5
I am not concerned about his leaving right now as he has things to accomplish. Unless the school does something that makes no sense, I would think he is here for at least another three-five years.
He is a northeastern guy, so my guess is, if he makes a move, it will be somewhere in the northeast. Naturally speculation on my part, but I think we should enjoy the moment and watch someone who is growing in his role, rebuilding a program the right way, and developing his players and coaches at the same time.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 30, 2021 17:08:19 GMT -5
Oh trust me - I'm enjoying it. Heck I enjoy seeing my kids excel (or try to) all the time - but it doesn't mean I don't worry.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2021 17:35:46 GMT -5
Did Coach Chesney leave Salve or Assumption in the middle of a contract? I don’t know what his situation was at Assumption when he moved to HC.
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Post by breezy on Nov 30, 2021 18:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2021 18:59:03 GMT -5
Great response
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Post by spenser on Nov 30, 2021 18:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2021 19:06:56 GMT -5
No wonder players want some form of compensation-
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Post by mm67 on Nov 30, 2021 19:17:50 GMT -5
One has to appreciate Coach Chesney's honesty. "If someone wants to give you....who's saying no to that"?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 30, 2021 20:06:26 GMT -5
Kelly’s leaving ND for a 10-year, $95 million contract…and a chance to lead a national championship team. Kelly may see LSU as having a higher talent ceiling…and more likely to win a National Championship. So, a step up in two directions (as he probably sees it).
Chesney’s quote reflects the realities of coaching today.
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Post by gks on Nov 30, 2021 20:09:42 GMT -5
Just heard ND AD Jack Swarbrick respond to a question about the crazy escalation of power 5 head football coaches' salaries - he had a very good answer (and I'm paraphrasing) 'we must have a wide discussion about how this trend fits into the mission of educational institutions' - i.e., he's concerned and for good reason. Translation: Notre Dame either can't or is unwilling to compete with the SEC on coach's salaries. If Swarbrick could pay the moon for a dream coach he would. Just funny to hear Notre Dame cry poor.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 30, 2021 20:18:24 GMT -5
LSU doesn't have the same admissions and recruiting issues that ND has. I am sure the Irish will look to a master recruiter to fill the role. The Cincy and Iowa State coaches have been rumored to be candidates but neither seems to have experience with an academic school like ND.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 30, 2021 20:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 30, 2021 21:03:37 GMT -5
LSU doesn't have the same admissions and recruiting issues that ND has. I am sure the Irish will look to a master recruiter to fill the role. The Cincy and Iowa State coaches have been rumored to be candidates but neither seems to have experience with an academic school like ND. Why would this matter given Kelly came to ND directly from Cincy?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2021 21:23:52 GMT -5
LSU doesn't have the same admissions and recruiting issues that ND has. I am sure the Irish will look to a master recruiter to fill the role. The Cincy and Iowa State coaches have been rumored to be candidates but neither seems to have experience with an academic school like ND. Maybe ND has tougher standards than the SEC, but my guess is that they are similar to the .Big 10.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2021 21:41:26 GMT -5
I've never understood the concern some have about academic standards. The coach and staff should know the pool of players they can pursue.
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Post by southernsader on Nov 30, 2021 21:41:47 GMT -5
Kelly’s leaving ND for a 10-year, $95 million contract… and a chance to lead a national championship team. Kelly may see LSU as having a higher talent ceiling…and more likely to win a National Championship. So, a step up in two directions (as he probably sees it). Chesney’s quote reflects the realities of coaching today. Don't buy that. ND is much better positioned for playoffs than any SEC team not named Georgia or Alabama. Internal competition within SEC going to get even more insane. Oklahoma, e.g., may end up being another Arkansas. Riley saw that writing on the wall and made a shrewd move, even $$$ aside.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 30, 2021 22:40:01 GMT -5
Just heard ND AD Jack Swarbrick respond to a question about the crazy escalation of power 5 head football coaches' salaries - he had a very good answer (and I'm paraphrasing) 'we must have a wide discussion about how this trend fits into the mission of educational institutions' - i.e., he's concerned and for good reason. Translation: Notre Dame either can't or is unwilling to compete with the SEC on coach's salaries. If Swarbrick could pay the moon for a dream coach he would. Just funny to hear Notre Dame cry poor. No, I think his answer is just general bs. As far as Kelly leaving, Swarbrick said Kelly didn't ask for a counter offer of any type. Felt something had changed w/Kelly the last season or so and wasn't surprised he was getting antsy. First ND coach to leave for another college job. First OU coach to leave under the same circumstances since 1947.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 30, 2021 22:47:25 GMT -5
Kelly’s leaving ND for a 10-year, $95 million contract… and a chance to lead a national championship team. Kelly may see LSU as having a higher talent ceiling…and more likely to win a National Championship. So, a step up in two directions (as he probably sees it). Chesney’s quote reflects the realities of coaching today. Don't buy that. ND is much better positioned for playoffs than any SEC team not named Georgia or Alabama. Internal competition within SEC going to get even more insane. Oklahoma, e.g., may end up being another Arkansas. Riley saw that writing on the wall and made a shrewd move, even $$$ aside. I think when they go to a 12 team tournament, the SEC will have 2 entries automatically. Is that better or worse odds versus ND? The other 14 SEC teams would still have a chance at an at large berth; but it's going to be tough to have 3 teams out of that group to have less than a couple losses.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 1, 2021 2:35:04 GMT -5
FBS football has become a joke....very barely "college" football today.....HC is very well situaded playing FCS-level football, a level very appropriate for an actual college playing D1 football.
I bemoan us not being "Big East" in hoop but hoop is a different story than FBS football in many ways today...
ND and BC have some very hard questions to answer going forward in playing FBS football imo...
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Post by hcpride on Dec 1, 2021 4:26:52 GMT -5
Kelly’s leaving ND for a 10-year, $95 million contract… and a chance to lead a national championship team. Kelly may see LSU as having a higher talent ceiling…and more likely to win a National Championship. So, a step up in two directions (as he probably sees it). Chesney’s quote reflects the realities of coaching today. Don't buy that. ND is much better positioned for playoffs than any SEC team not named Georgia or Alabama. Internal competition within SEC going to get even more insane. Oklahoma, e.g., may end up being another Arkansas. Riley saw that writing on the wall and made a shrewd move, even $$$ aside. ND has the talent to get to the playoffs, but WINNING them is another matter. It is a subtle point that many writers (and a couple of crossporters) are making: “He led Notre Dame to the BCS title game in 2012 and playoff appearances in 2018 and 2020, but the Irish suffered lopsided losses each time.” LSU’s geographic location in a target rich environment and its admission standards may give it a higher talent ceiling in Kelly’s eyes. He’s not alone in this view. Beyond that, I did note the very attractive high salary and very attractive years in his new contract. (I don’t see him leaving for a lower paying job and I don’t see him leaving for a position of equal or lower chances of WINNING a national championship - as he sees it. )
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Post by spenser on Dec 1, 2021 8:02:25 GMT -5
FBS football has become a joke....very barely "college" football today.....HC is very well situaded playing FCS-level football, a level very appropriate for an actual college playing D1 football. I bemoan us not being "Big East" in hoop but hoop is a different story than FBS football in many ways today... ND and BC have some very hard questions to answer going forward in playing FBS football imo... Although some my differ, I think you make some excellent points here. FBS is “G League” football. Totally unrelated to the college experience. I can’t even imagine the alumni reaction if ND went to FCS.
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 1, 2021 8:27:57 GMT -5
Kelly’s leaving ND for a 10-year, $95 million contract… and a chance to lead a national championship team. Kelly may see LSU as having a higher talent ceiling…and more likely to win a National Championship. So, a step up in two directions (as he probably sees it). Chesney’s quote reflects the realities of coaching today. Don't buy that. ND is much better positioned for playoffs than any SEC team not named Georgia or Alabama. Internal competition within SEC going to get even more insane. Oklahoma, e.g., may end up being another Arkansas. Riley saw that writing on the wall and made a shrewd move, even $$$ aside. I disagree...top level coaches, just like top level athletes, expect and envision the very best for their team. Do you think Nick Saban starts the season saying "I'll be happy if we go 9-3 this year"? Kelly and other coaches of his ilk have to believe that they will be able to put their team in a position to win every game they play...he doesn't have to worry about who he faces in his league. The undeniable truth is that the ability to play for a conference championship puts him in a stronger position to make the playoffs. A one loss SEC team, especially one that plays for the SEC championship, will always be a real strong contender for the playoffs...so LSU can either run the table in the regular season, or suffer a hiccup in the regular season (provided they still clinch a birth in the SEC Champ), and they are in. ND does not have that margin of error...indeed they could be a 1 loss team whose only loss is to a top 4 team that doesn't make it. That won't happen in the SEC (see Georgia). Oh, and of course the money doesn't hurt...ND, while we can argue they have more resources than anybody, is not yet in a position where they will pay that kind of money for a head coach..maybe that mindset changes rapidly, but it hasn't changed yet. Finally, I think ND and Kelly both kind of envisioned their relationship lasting another 3-4 years...he wasn't getting a 10 year extension from ND, and potentially didn't want one anyway.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 1, 2021 9:08:33 GMT -5
Thinking more about this, as someone pointed out today on TV, if ND had decided after last year to stay in the ACC, they'd most likely be playing for the ACC title on Saturday and a playoff berth.
Wonder if they are debating making that move at this point? Also opens up another opening in that league as they'd probably want 16 and not 15.
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