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Post by dharry13 on Dec 1, 2021 9:27:51 GMT -5
Looks like UNH job open as well now. Head coach announced his retirement - I'd have to imagine Santos would get that job.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 1, 2021 9:41:30 GMT -5
Looks like UNH job open as well now. Head coach announced his retirement - I'd have to imagine Santos would get that job. Yea, really would be surprising if Santos didn't get the gig. Not sure he deserves it though.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 1, 2021 10:30:24 GMT -5
Maine job is also open
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 1, 2021 10:44:40 GMT -5
That job is the lowest paying HC job in the CAA. Granted I understand the cost of living up there is different, but in his last year Cosgrove made 187k - per an article I just read.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 1, 2021 10:58:07 GMT -5
That job is the lowest paying HC job in the CAA. Granted I understand the cost of living up there is different, but in his last year Cosgrove made 187k - per an article I just read. Cosgrove is likely making more at Colby now!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2021 11:02:45 GMT -5
Don't buy that. ND is much better positioned for playoffs than any SEC team not named Georgia or Alabama. Internal competition within SEC going to get even more insane. Oklahoma, e.g., may end up being another Arkansas. Riley saw that writing on the wall and made a shrewd move, even $$$ aside. I disagree...top level coaches, just like top level athletes, expect and envision the very best for their team. Do you think Nick Saban starts the season saying "I'll be happy if we go 9-3 this year"? Kelly and other coaches of his ilk have to believe that they will be able to put their team in a position to win every game they play...he doesn't have to worry about who he faces in his league. The undeniable truth is that the ability to play for a conference championship puts him in a stronger position to make the playoffs. A one loss SEC team, especially one that plays for the SEC championship, will always be a real strong contender for the playoffs...so LSU can either run the table in the regular season, or suffer a hiccup in the regular season (provided they still clinch a birth in the SEC Champ), and they are in. ND does not have that margin of error...indeed they could be a 1 loss team whose only loss is to a top 4 team that doesn't make it. That won't happen in the SEC (see Georgia). Oh, and of course the money doesn't hurt...ND, while we can argue they have more resources than anybody, is not yet in a position where they will pay that kind of money for a head coach..maybe that mindset changes rapidly, but it hasn't changed yet. Finally, I think ND and Kelly both kind of envisioned their relationship lasting another 3-4 years...he wasn't getting a 10 year extension from ND, and potentially didn't want one anyway. i don't see Notre Dame joining a conference for football and having to share TV revenue with others. As well, I think it is part of the school's brand that it is to be treated differently and regarded differently from all other athletic powerhouses.
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Post by gks on Dec 1, 2021 11:09:05 GMT -5
I disagree...top level coaches, just like top level athletes, expect and envision the very best for their team. Do you think Nick Saban starts the season saying "I'll be happy if we go 9-3 this year"? Kelly and other coaches of his ilk have to believe that they will be able to put their team in a position to win every game they play...he doesn't have to worry about who he faces in his league. The undeniable truth is that the ability to play for a conference championship puts him in a stronger position to make the playoffs. A one loss SEC team, especially one that plays for the SEC championship, will always be a real strong contender for the playoffs...so LSU can either run the table in the regular season, or suffer a hiccup in the regular season (provided they still clinch a birth in the SEC Champ), and they are in. ND does not have that margin of error...indeed they could be a 1 loss team whose only loss is to a top 4 team that doesn't make it. That won't happen in the SEC (see Georgia). Oh, and of course the money doesn't hurt...ND, while we can argue they have more resources than anybody, is not yet in a position where they will pay that kind of money for a head coach..maybe that mindset changes rapidly, but it hasn't changed yet. Finally, I think ND and Kelly both kind of envisioned their relationship lasting another 3-4 years...he wasn't getting a 10 year extension from ND, and potentially didn't want one anyway. i don't see Notre Dame joining a conference for football and having to share TV revenue with others. As well, I think it is part of the school's brand that it is to be treated differently and regarded differently from all other athletic powerhouses. They will join a conference the day the NBC contract either dries up or gets cut significantly. Big Ten is the obvious and best choice but it would probably be the ACC.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 1, 2021 11:12:42 GMT -5
I disagree...top level coaches, just like top level athletes, expect and envision the very best for their team. Do you think Nick Saban starts the season saying "I'll be happy if we go 9-3 this year"? Kelly and other coaches of his ilk have to believe that they will be able to put their team in a position to win every game they play...he doesn't have to worry about who he faces in his league. The undeniable truth is that the ability to play for a conference championship puts him in a stronger position to make the playoffs. A one loss SEC team, especially one that plays for the SEC championship, will always be a real strong contender for the playoffs...so LSU can either run the table in the regular season, or suffer a hiccup in the regular season (provided they still clinch a birth in the SEC Champ), and they are in. ND does not have that margin of error...indeed they could be a 1 loss team whose only loss is to a top 4 team that doesn't make it. That won't happen in the SEC (see Georgia). Oh, and of course the money doesn't hurt...ND, while we can argue they have more resources than anybody, is not yet in a position where they will pay that kind of money for a head coach..maybe that mindset changes rapidly, but it hasn't changed yet. Finally, I think ND and Kelly both kind of envisioned their relationship lasting another 3-4 years...he wasn't getting a 10 year extension from ND, and potentially didn't want one anyway. i don't see Notre Dame joining a conference for football and having to share TV revenue with others. As well, I think it is part of the school's brand that it is to be treated differently and regarded differently from all other athletic powerhouses. I'll genuflect to that. Gives me a team to root for when they are up against teams representative of the worst excesses in college sports, or not root for when they are Goliath vs David. They get close to the flame but somehow don't get burned. A nice balancing act so far.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 1, 2021 11:58:41 GMT -5
"They will join a conference the day the NBC contract either dries up or gets cut significantly."
That will never happen
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 1, 2021 12:15:18 GMT -5
I disagree...top level coaches, just like top level athletes, expect and envision the very best for their team. Do you think Nick Saban starts the season saying "I'll be happy if we go 9-3 this year"? Kelly and other coaches of his ilk have to believe that they will be able to put their team in a position to win every game they play...he doesn't have to worry about who he faces in his league. The undeniable truth is that the ability to play for a conference championship puts him in a stronger position to make the playoffs. A one loss SEC team, especially one that plays for the SEC championship, will always be a real strong contender for the playoffs...so LSU can either run the table in the regular season, or suffer a hiccup in the regular season (provided they still clinch a birth in the SEC Champ), and they are in. ND does not have that margin of error...indeed they could be a 1 loss team whose only loss is to a top 4 team that doesn't make it. That won't happen in the SEC (see Georgia). Oh, and of course the money doesn't hurt...ND, while we can argue they have more resources than anybody, is not yet in a position where they will pay that kind of money for a head coach..maybe that mindset changes rapidly, but it hasn't changed yet. Finally, I think ND and Kelly both kind of envisioned their relationship lasting another 3-4 years...he wasn't getting a 10 year extension from ND, and potentially didn't want one anyway. i don't see Notre Dame joining a conference for football and having to share TV revenue with others. As well, I think it is part of the school's brand that it is to be treated differently and regarded differently from all other athletic powerhouses. I wasn't advocating for it necessarily, just disagreeing with the poster who was claiming Kelly's road to playoffs/championship is better at ND than LSU, I don't agree and I am a ND fan
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2021 13:11:05 GMT -5
I think the road is better at Notre Dame. It seems like Notre Dame often gets treated favorably by poll voters and that comes into play with the school as an independent. If ND joined the Big 10 or another conference it might have to win a conference championship to make the playoffs. The same holds true for coaches moving to a conference, such as Kelly's move to LSU.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 1, 2021 15:28:05 GMT -5
I was stunned beyond belief by Kelly's move to LSU. ND coaches retire due to age or the stress of coaching at the most iconic franchise in America. (except of course for the NY Yankees) Never heard of an ND coach leaving ND for another coaching position at different school. Amazing! Times are indeed changing.
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 1, 2021 15:37:01 GMT -5
I was stunned beyond belief by Kelly's move to LSU. ND coaches retire due to age or the stress of coaching at the most iconic franchise in America. (except of course for the NY Yankees) Never heard of an ND coach leaving ND for another coaching position at different school. Amazing! Times are indeed changing. $2.7mil v. $9.5mil I think would have gotten Ara and Knute to take a hike too
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 1, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -5
I think the road is better at Notre Dame. It seems like Notre Dame often gets treated favorably by poll voters and that comes into play with the school as an independent. If ND joined the Big 10 or another conference it might have to win a conference championship to make the playoffs. The same holds true for coaches moving to a conference, such as Kelly's move to LSU. Agreed. While the SEC is able to attract the premier players in the country, the SEC is loaded and whoever claims the SEC title has literally had to endure a gauntlet of big time games against quality opponents along the way week in and week out.
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Post by unhfan on Dec 1, 2021 16:54:41 GMT -5
Looks like UNH job open as well now. Head coach announced his retirement - I'd have to imagine Santos would get that job. Ricky Santos will be the next head coach and it will be announced in the next few days. This was the deal that was made when he returned to UNH and took on the title of Associate Head Coach and was named the coach in waiting.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 1, 2021 21:16:59 GMT -5
Looks like Notre Dame is going with DC Marcus Freeman. A very good defensive coordinator but no previous head coaching experience. Risky. Reminds me of the Bob Davie hire. Hopefully Freeman does a better job than Davie. Davie stunk.
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Post by cmo on Dec 1, 2021 21:42:00 GMT -5
Rees staying on as OC. Doesn’t sound like a lot of the ND staff is going with Kelly.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2021 9:23:37 GMT -5
Rees staying on as OC. Doesn’t sound like a lot of the ND staff is going with Kelly. Recommended that he have 2 or 3 senior level people who know what that neck of the woods is all about. Shouldn't have any problem attracting them with the $ he has at his disposal. What did EBW say about George Allen? "He had an unlimited budget and he exceeded it".
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2021 9:36:52 GMT -5
Believe the actual quote was closer to: “I gave him a blank check and he exceeded it.” 😂
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 2, 2021 9:51:55 GMT -5
I was stunned beyond belief by Kelly's move to LSU. ND coaches retire due to age or the stress of coaching at the most iconic franchise in America. (except of course for the NY Yankees) Never heard of an ND coach leaving ND for another coaching position at different school. Amazing! Times are indeed changing. $2.7mil v. $9.5mil I think would have gotten Ara and Knute to take a hike too I assume the $2.7mm figure is from ND's form 990? Or press reports? Interesting to note that Northwestern's fine coach, Pat Fitzgerald was making a bit over $3mm the last time I checked. He just signed a new contract at the end of last season after rumors that he might jump to the Bears. No doubt he got a nice raise. I wonder how the salaries for head coaches at the top private schools--Stanford, NU and ND--rank.
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Post by rickii on Dec 2, 2021 11:20:37 GMT -5
$2.7mil v. $9.5mil I think would have gotten Ara and Knute to take a hike too I assume the $2.7mm figure is from ND's form 990? Or press reports? Interesting to note that Northwestern's fine coach, Pat Fitzgerald was making a bit over $3mm the last time I checked. He just signed a new contract at the end of last season after rumors that he might jump to the Bears. No doubt he got a nice raise. I wonder how the salaries for head coaches at the top private schools--Stanford, NU and ND--rank. Been reported his pay was $5 million. $2.7 million probably from several years ago pre new contract. Just for comparison, Wake’s Dave Clawson was making $3.5 million per prior to getting a new contract/extension last week probably paying him around $4 million per thru 2027.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2021 12:19:47 GMT -5
Perhaps the great great grandfather of all this movement is Frank Leahy signing a long term contract with BC after winning the Sugar Bowl and within days showing up in South Bend....took a boatload of recruits with him, supposedly (although BC still had a hell of a team a couple years later when HC knocked them off).
In this case, what goes around took a hell of a long time to come around.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 2, 2021 16:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 2, 2021 16:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 2, 2021 16:14:33 GMT -5
And they hand him a $3 million check on the way out the door. What a country!
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