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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 30, 2021 16:14:38 GMT -5
I hate relativisim in philosophy and religion but...I would say different eras and different significance. In the 1940s, an Orange Bowl win would be the pinnacle of any season or career at HC. For several decades, with no playoffs or bowl on the table, a win against our ancient rivals was the pinnacle of a season, now, playoffs and the first playoff win in history is the pinnacle. I hope a deep playoff run is in our near future.
Like everyone else, I discounted how close the SHU and HC stats were coming into the game thinking we were much bigger, more skilled, and more talented than the NEC Champion. I believed the rankings, etc, etc. I also discounted the cold and game planning. Lets hope Villanova does the same thing, because our stats as posted by KY are pretty similar.
FYI...I'd put the 2007 Hail Mary from Dom to beat Hahvahd on the list also...but I voted for Saturday's TD toss.
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Post by breezy on Nov 30, 2021 16:17:41 GMT -5
Another one I'd add, Muldoon (or maybe Heffernan?) to Cowley to beat Colgate 21-18 in 1983...both teams were ranked in the 1-AA Top 5 at the time. It was Heffernan who threw the pass. I was there and I have a somewhat hazy memory of that final drive. Muldoon had been injured and Heffernan came in at QB. The drive only took four plays. As I recall it (and if someone has a better memory or can look it up somewhere), there was a pass to the TE (Randy Pedro?) that advanced the ball to midfield. Then a long pass to WR Quinlan who made a diving catch at the 19-yard line near the HC sideline. A running play up the middle lost a yard. Then Heffernan threw the pass to Cowley in the end zone for the winning touchdown. (Colgate got the ball back on the kickoff, and went for it on fourth down -- about 4th and 5). The Colgate receiver was wide open just beyond the line of scrimmage but he looked ahead and forgot to make the catch. HC took over on downs and ran out the clock.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2021 16:33:32 GMT -5
Really enjoying this debate. I think there's only one HC sport where we would not have a debate over the best/greatest/most momentous play (TD pass, TD run, FG, Home Run, 3 pointer, basket): men's hockey....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 30, 2021 16:36:28 GMT -5
1) Lentz-to-Kimener 2) Sluka to Coker
Not sure yet how Id rank the others.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 30, 2021 17:04:43 GMT -5
I voted for the Lentz pass but, again, historically, Sluka's pass was better. Three generations of Crusaders in my family and I really "get" the significance of the BC game and that's why I cast my ballot for Lentz but we played BC every year for eons. And played them after that game. There will only be one "first post season win" ever. That's history. Saw Coker's catch. It was a great catch. Kimener, as I understand it, was an "easy" catch. What he had to do was drag 2 Eagles into the end zone. That was where the degree of difficulty lay. You should have followed your older brother to Chestnut Hill in 1966. History is not just firsts. Context matters. A dramatic HC victory over huge rival BC historically surpasses a first round FCS dramatic win. That's why in my vote, I went with the Lentz pass. I have both BC and HC going back generations and grew up reading morning and evening Boston newspaper sports sections every day. The series was huge. But my only point is that in the world of the possibile, both the BC game and the FCS tournament gives Crusader fans tremendous end of season excitement to look forward to and Chesney is giving that to us yearly like BC did before.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2021 17:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2021 18:43:01 GMT -5
I apologize about following your brother. My intention was tongue in cheek. Obviously I erred.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2021 18:46:28 GMT -5
Apology accepted.
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Post by spenser on Nov 30, 2021 18:57:58 GMT -5
Lentz to Kimener Come from behind win with 90 seconds left in a packed Alumni Stadium to give us a 6-3-1 record (unmatched for many years) in an era when we were a competitive team with BC (Plus I was there and both are friends/classmates) I’m so old that I was there. As a kid. I can still see it in my minds eye. Great moment. So are the others listed, but that was the best as far as I’m concerned. Saturday was a close second.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 30, 2021 22:49:29 GMT -5
To early to tell regarding Sluka to Coker....but it will be a play in the long annuals of Holy Cross Football History.
Unlike the Lentz to Kimener reception, the completion for a TD by Sluka/ Coker has kept HC in the national championship for the immediate future. By doing so, it very well may be a springboard for years to come regarding the viability and the emerging preeminence of the next chapter of Holy Cross Football.
Wouldn’t it be fantastic if the duo would make a similar play this Friday night, to end any possibility of a Villanova victory.
Go Cross Go!
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 1, 2021 8:10:19 GMT -5
I believe a few '67s on the '66 team had another year of eligibility. Post season the head coach left for a better paying position.
The rising new coach, a former HC assistant, asked at least one of these '67s, a D player, to come back. A psych major, he would graduate & enroll in the college's then only graduate program an MS in chemistry. It had been ok'ed by the administration. He decided pass on the offer & to go to law school.
He believes Lentz was offered a similiar arrangement who also passed & decided to try the NFL.
At some point before the next season the new coach predicted an undefeated season in '67. The rest is history.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 1, 2021 8:15:34 GMT -5
Interesting A slight addition Lentz went to the Broncos, then in the AFL, as a safety.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2021 8:37:50 GMT -5
Yep. Boisture had high expectations and low integrity (illegal practices in Canada and a revolt by the players, led by some of my classmates, gave him an opportunity to be an assistant coach for the Giants). The '67 guys likely missed the headlines in "The Crusader" ("The Spire" predecessor for the young here) at the end of the season which I've posted before: "5+5=10-0"
Unfortunately, his successor happened to lead the hepatitis season through no fault of his own.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 1, 2021 9:01:58 GMT -5
The catch Lockbaum made in the rain and dark against Bucknell two weeks earlier (it's on the Lockbaum interview that someone posted) to preserve a then-perfect season was much better than the BC td someone mentioned.
Plus it was 5 minutes into a game where all those screaming fans were in the parking lot having drinks by halftime. A game that beyond-a-reasonable-doubt ended the BC series.
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Post by beaven302 on Dec 1, 2021 14:17:11 GMT -5
I At some point before the next season the new coach predicted an undefeated season in '67. The rest is history. It wasn't just Boisture who had high expectations. Before the season, I remember the NY Times saying: "Experienced Holy Cross eleven could be the best team in the East."
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2021 14:23:37 GMT -5
Sorry, that was a classic case of over promising and under delivering.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 1, 2021 14:58:21 GMT -5
The catch Lockbaum made in the rain and dark against Bucknell two weeks earlier (it's on the Lockbaum interview that someone posted) to preserve a then-perfect season was much better than the BC td someone mentioned. Plus it was 5 minutes into a game where all those screaming fans were in the parking lot having drinks by halftime. A game that beyond-a-reasonable-doubt ended the BC series. That's a good one....did that game on WCHC, very frustrating-type game....Gordie's catch pulled us out of that miasma.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2021 12:23:21 GMT -5
The catch Lockbaum made in the rain and dark against Bucknell two weeks earlier (it's on the Lockbaum interview that someone posted) to preserve a then-perfect season was much better than the BC td someone mentioned. Plus it was 5 minutes into a game where all those screaming fans were in the parking lot having drinks by halftime. A game that beyond-a-reasonable-doubt ended the BC series. That's a good one....did that game on WCHC, very frustrating-type game....Gordie's catch pulled us out of that miasma. Good memory, Bucknell and Lehigh that inaugural PL season gave us great ballgames that could have gone either way. There were similarities in the Bucknell game to what happened the other day.
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Post by beaven302 on Dec 2, 2021 14:19:16 GMT -5
I voted for the Lentz pass but, again, historically, Sluka's pass was better. Three generations of Crusaders in my family and I really "get" the significance of the BC game and that's why I cast my ballot for Lentz but we played BC every year for eons. And played them after that game. There will only be one "first post season win" ever. That's history. Saw Coker's catch. It was a great catch. Kimener, as I understand it, was an "easy" catch. What he had to do was drag 2 Eagles into the end zone. That was where the degree of difficulty lay. Agree about the Lentz pass, which gave HC a dramatic win in the big rivalry game that could make or break the season. For example, the 1963 season is generally regarded as a success, even though the team had a losing record, because the team upset BC 9-0.
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Post by Crosser on Dec 3, 2021 10:48:16 GMT -5
Lentz to Kimener Come from behind win with 90 seconds left in a packed Alumni Stadium to give us a 6-3-1 record (unmatched for many years) in an era when we were a competitive team with BC (Plus I was there and both are friends/classmates) Was that the same game as the surprise Lawson to Lentz beauty?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2021 11:44:38 GMT -5
Lentz to Kimener Come from behind win with 90 seconds left in a packed Alumni Stadium to give us a 6-3-1 record (unmatched for many years) in an era when we were a competitive team with BC (Plus I was there and both are friends/classmates) Was that the same game as the surprise Lawson to Lentz beauty? I do not recall that play. Please explain.
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Post by Crosser on Dec 3, 2021 12:14:27 GMT -5
It was against BC at their place. HC had the ball going from left to right from where I was sitting. Lentz handed off to Lawson on a right sweep, Lentz drifted toward the left sideline, and Lawson turned and passed to Lentz who ran down the sideline for a TD. Seemed to catch the BC defenders off guard and sent us HC fans into delirium. Between ‘65 and ‘68. It was all we talked about for days later. Everything else is obscured in my fading memory.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 3, 2021 12:18:15 GMT -5
Certainly not '68 since Jack was playing for the Broncos that year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 3, 2021 12:30:57 GMT -5
The Career Statistics Database at GoHolyCross.com has Lentz catching one pass for 19 yards in 1966 and Lawson having one completion for 19 yards the same year. So that must be the pass in memory, but not a TD. That was Jack Lentz's lone career reception
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Post by Crosser on Dec 3, 2021 12:48:43 GMT -5
I clearly remember it as a TD. Must have just been a crucial 1st down. Maybe I shouldn’t have had all those Budweisers.
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