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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 3, 2021 8:46:00 GMT -5
There’s a reason Pomeroy doesn’t include non-D1 games into his metrics.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2021 9:38:06 GMT -5
And I am sure there are reasons why others do.
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Post by Tom on Dec 3, 2021 10:04:43 GMT -5
And when there are valid reasons for using either option, people will go with the choice that better supports the point they're trying to make
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Post by Crosser on Dec 3, 2021 10:44:40 GMT -5
We beat two teams on our schedule each by 40+ points. The other six teams were our Daddies. One group is very unlike the other.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 3, 2021 11:10:15 GMT -5
Among our PL peers, we are last in threes made in D1 games, ninth in makes per D1 game and third in 3pt % in D1 games. Once someone adjusts this for strength of schedule, we’ll have a complete analysis of this important issue.
Data points for D1 games are: made 3 point attempts, number of games, avg makes per game, 3 pt %.
Lafayette 69 (7) (9.9) (32.1%) Bucknell 68 (8) (8.5) (34%) Colgate 62 (6) (10.3) (35.2%) BU 59 (8) (7.4) (34.5%) Loyola 53 (7) (7.6) (30.3%) AU 48 (8) (6) (30.2%) Lehigh 45 (8) (5.6) (30.4%) Army 40 (6) (6.7) (28.8%) Navy 38 (7) (5.4) (27.9%) HC 33 (6) (5.5) (34.4%)
The median D1 team hits 33.3% of their threes in D1 games. At 34.4%, we rank 132nd. So, our three shooting isn’t bad. We just don’t take as many as most teams. We should probably take more as our 2 pt % of 41.5% in D1 games ranks 333 of 358. Our effective FG% in D1 games ranks 303.
Probably the most alarming stat I stumbled on was that, while we have shot 41.5% on twos in D1 games, our opponents have shot 56.9%. We rank 335 in two point shooting defense. Tough to win with a 15.4 point delta between your shooting inside the arc and your opponents’.
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Post by Tom on Dec 3, 2021 11:26:48 GMT -5
We beat two teams on our schedule each by 40+ points. The other six teams were our Daddies. One group is very unlike the other. That is part of the story, but not the whole story. By the end of the season, HC might look like a similar outlier on the B.C. schedule. No one will be isolating stats for their non-HC games or talking about their record in non-HC games. That is because even if there's a wide gap between the bottom of D-I and the P6 conferences, the NCAA classifies the teams as the same. Regis and Mt St Vincent are not classified the same as HC. By official classification Kentucky and Duke are our peers - Regis and Mt St Vincent are not. It is not unreasonable to measure yourself against your peers
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Post by trimster on Dec 3, 2021 12:21:42 GMT -5
Among our PL peers, we are last in threes made in D1 games, ninth in makes per D1 game and third in 3pt % in D1 games. Once someone adjusts this for strength of schedule, we’ll have a complete analysis of this important issue. Data points for D1 games are: made 3 point attempts, number of games, avg makes per game, 3 pt %. Lafayette 69 (7) (9.9) (32.1%) Bucknell 68 (8) (8.5) (34%) Colgate 62 (6) (10.3) (35.2%) BU 59 (8) (7.4) (34.5%) Loyola 53 (7) (7.6) (30.3%) AU 48 (8) (6) (30.2%) Lehigh 45 (8) (5.6) (30.4%) Army 40 (6) (6.7) (28.8%) Navy 38 (7) (5.4) (27.9%) HC 33 (6) (5.5) (34.4%) The median D1 team hits 33.3% of their threes in D1 games. At 34.4%, we rank 132nd. So, our three shooting isn’t bad. We just don’t take as many as most teams. We should probably take more as our 2 pt % of 41.5% in D1 games ranks 333 of 358. Our effective FG% in D1 games ranks 303. Probably the most alarming stat I stumbled on was that, while we have shot 41.5% on twos in D1 games, our opponents have shot 56.9%. We rank 335 in two point shooting defense. Tough to win with a 15.4 point delta between your shooting inside the arc and your opponents’. As for alarming stats, try these two: last as in no. 358 in the country, in assists per game and assist to turnover ratio. I believe our apg average is 6.5. I can’t remember the assist to turnover ratio.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 3, 2021 15:05:42 GMT -5
Among our PL peers, we are last in threes made in D1 games, ninth in makes per D1 game and third in 3pt % in D1 games. Once someone adjusts this for strength of schedule, we’ll have a complete analysis of this important issue. Data points for D1 games are: made 3 point attempts, number of games, avg makes per game, 3 pt %. Lafayette 69 (7) (9.9) (32.1%) Bucknell 68 (8) (8.5) (34%) Colgate 62 (6) (10.3) (35.2%) BU 59 (8) (7.4) (34.5%) Loyola 53 (7) (7.6) (30.3%) AU 48 (8) (6) (30.2%) Lehigh 45 (8) (5.6) (30.4%) Army 40 (6) (6.7) (28.8%) Navy 38 (7) (5.4) (27.9%) HC 33 (6) (5.5) (34.4%) The median D1 team hits 33.3% of their threes in D1 games. At 34.4%, we rank 132nd. So, our three shooting isn’t bad. We just don’t take as many as most teams. We should probably take more as our 2 pt % of 41.5% in D1 games ranks 333 of 358. Our effective FG% in D1 games ranks 303. Probably the most alarming stat I stumbled on was that, while we have shot 41.5% on twos in D1 games, our opponents have shot 56.9%. We rank 335 in two point shooting defense. Tough to win with a 15.4 point delta between your shooting inside the arc and your opponents’. As for alarming stats, try these two: last as in no. 358 in the country, in assists per game and assist to turnover ratio. I believe our apg average is 6.5. I can’t remember the assist to turnover ratio. In the spirit of the season, I chose not to address turnovers and assists.
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Post by trimster on Dec 4, 2021 8:48:14 GMT -5
As of today by my count, we are one of 27 D1 teams without a win against D1 comp.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 4, 2021 8:56:44 GMT -5
American, Bucknell, Lehigh, Holy Cross, the Patriot League stinks. Recruiting is difficult in this league.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 9, 2021 11:37:22 GMT -5
the truth is bitter
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 9, 2021 13:02:47 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 9, 2021 13:09:26 GMT -5
When we finished 3-29 two years ago KenPom had us as #344 in D-1. Year to date we are #345....... I shudder to think that we might look back on 2019-2020 as the good old days....
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2021 13:21:45 GMT -5
When we finished 3-29 two years ago KenPom had us as #344 in D-1. Year to date we are #345....... I shudder to think that we might look back on 2019-2020 as the good old days.... It's probably all the D-2 ascensions to D-1 that have snuck in ahead of us, not that we are regressing. No?🤔
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Post by dadominate on Dec 9, 2021 13:44:59 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible. i fully recognize that the nelson era has been the nadir of holy cross basketball, but i did not realize that our ooc record was THAT bad.
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Post by Ray on Dec 9, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible. i fully recognize that the nelson era has been the nadir of holy cross basketball, but i did not realize that our ooc record was THAT bad. Put another way, for every non-conference D-1 win, he's got a non-conference D-3 loss.
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Post by Tom on Dec 9, 2021 14:21:34 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible. i fully recognize that the nelson era has been the nadir of holy cross basketball, but i did not realize that our ooc record was THAT bad. If you think about it, not that hard to imagine. O-fer this year. No OOC games last year. The year before that was the 3-29 season. I would have needed to go back and look at the schedule to see how those 3 wins were distributed (and it was 1 vs OOC and 2 vs PL)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 9, 2021 14:45:32 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible. Did you know: -Our OOC record in the 09-10 and 10-11 seasons was 4-25 (.137) -Our OOC record after the first two games of 08-09 through 10-11 was 7-35 (.167) -In the last 13 seasons, we have had two OOC records above .500 -- 2013 & 2019 -Over those 13 seasons, our overall OOC record has been 55-105 (.344). If you remove the Nelson years, that w% improves by a whopping 4.2% to .386 As Tony Massaroti would say: "suck, suck, suck, suck, suck" The program has been in a bad place for over a decade. Yes, we've taken a step back in in 2019 & 2021, but Brett Nelson has not been the culprit in dismantling a great program, as some seem to want to believe.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2021 14:56:55 GMT -5
BBC, I didn't see where anyone said that Nelson precipitated the downfall of Holy Cross basketball. However, it appears only you and maybe a couple of others think that he will be the savior of the program and bring it back from the ashes.
His record objectively is the worst in Holy Cross men's basketball history. You can make up excuses or give your own reasons 'til the cows come home but that's a fact. The program may have been "down" before he got here but, to make up a term, he brought it "downer."
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Post by hceconhist on Dec 9, 2021 15:22:30 GMT -5
In 19 non-conference games against D1 schools, Nelson is 1-18. Incredible. Did you know: -Our OOC record in the 09-10 and 10-11 seasons was 4-25 (.137) -Our OOC record after the first two games of 08-09 through 10-11 was 7-35 (.167) -In the last 13 seasons, we have had two OOC records above .500 -- 2013 & 2019 -Over those 13 seasons, our overall OOC record has been 55-105 (.344). If you remove the Nelson years, that w% improves by a whopping 4.2% to .386 As Tony Massaroti would say: "suck, suck, suck, suck, suck" The program has been in a bad place for over a decade. Yes, we've taken a step back in in 2019 & 2021, but Brett Nelson has not been the culprit in dismantling a great program, as some seem to want to believe. Posters are not saying this program was great when Nelson arrived.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2021 15:48:58 GMT -5
i fully recognize that the nelson era has been the nadir of holy cross basketball, but i did not realize that our ooc record was THAT bad. Put another way, for every non-conference D-1 win, he's got a non-conference D-3 loss. Made me laugh. At least the gallows humor is entertaining.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 9, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5
Does Mercer realize it's currently a member of such an exclusive club?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 9, 2021 16:06:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure almost everyone here agrees that Nelson inherited a crappy program and somehow has managed to make it slightly crappier thus far.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 9, 2021 16:27:41 GMT -5
Pretty sure almost everyone here agrees that Nelson inherited a crappy program and somehow has managed to make it slightly crappier thus far. I think you should change or delete the word "slightly"
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Post by HC92 on Dec 9, 2021 22:03:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure almost everyone here agrees that Nelson inherited a crappy program and somehow has managed to make it slightly crappier thus far. I think you should change or delete the word "slightly" Spirit of the season!
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