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Post by rickii on Nov 2, 2016 10:18:16 GMT -5
How many 2017 verbals do we have to date ? Depending on the number at year-end, I don't think we'll see a lot of kids/families choosing to reopen their recruiting.
We might see 1 or 2 transfers but AIR, we've seen that annually sans a coaching change.
Besides, I doubt Pine will let a search drag on for weeks but would also be surprised if the process was as rapid as landing Carmody. |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 2, 2016 11:29:03 GMT -5
Should we all be ASSUMING CTG is done?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2016 11:31:15 GMT -5
I'd guess 90%+ chance that CTG will not return next year
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 2, 2016 12:10:32 GMT -5
I'd guess 90%+ chance that CTG will not return next year So you are saying there is a change he will return?! What would 2 wins in the last two games do to that 90% figure? |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 2, 2016 13:48:37 GMT -5
I'm saying 60% he doesn't return next year. Only because no one knows for sure the terms of any buyout NP may have negotiated when extending the contact. Basketball drives the apple cart at Holy Cross and I'd be willing to bet that TPTB are less willing to pay multiple football coaches than they are to pay multiple basketball coaches at the same time. I believe it's possible they let him coach out the remainder of his contract before the school parts ways.
Do I think a change is needed? Yes. I've been in the tank for Gilmore since I set foot on the hill but it's just time to go in a different direction. Unfortunately, there is nothing that could happen the last two games of the season that could change my opinion.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 2, 2016 13:51:09 GMT -5
How many 2017 verbals do we have to date ? Depending on the number at year-end, I don't think we'll see a lot of kids/families choosing to reopen their recruiting.
We might see 1 or 2 transfers but AIR, we've seen that annually sans a coaching change.
Besides, I doubt Pine will let a search drag on for weeks but would also be surprised if the process was as rapid as landing Carmody. Will we devote multiple threads to de-committed football recruits like we did for basketball?  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2016 13:58:27 GMT -5
I'd guess 90%+ chance that CTG will not return next year So you are saying there is a change he will return?! What would 2 wins in the last two games do to that 90% figure? Of course there is a chance that he will return and the final two games will affect his chances. My 90% is based on what's happened to date and on projections for the balance of the season. If we get destroyed by both Georgetown and Fordham I'd take his "not return" chances to 99%. If, instead, we destroy the Hoyas and Rams I'd lower the not return chances to 50%. So, I'm at 90% now, awaiting additional data points. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2016 14:30:57 GMT -5
So you are saying there is a change he will return?! What would 2 wins in the last two games do to that 90% figure? Of course there is a chance that he will return and the final two games will affect his chances. My 90% is based on what's happened to date and on projections for the balance of the season. If we get destroyed by both Georgetown and Fordham I'd take his "not return" chances to 99%. If, instead, we destroy the Hoyas and Rams And we would still have yet another losing season |
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Post by purple1 on Nov 2, 2016 16:23:30 GMT -5
I think Matt Fanning being retained would have a very positive impact on the committed recruits. He is the head recruiter and excellent assistant, who also graduated from the HC football program.
I would consider going after Dave Fipp with the Philadelphia Eagles, who did a stint at HC and was extremely well received and has youth on his side besides experience.....
ADNP has a huge decision to make, not only for the college, but his future career. I am convinced he will choose a suitable candidate that will assimilate quickly with the team and the HC campus.
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Post by joe on Nov 2, 2016 16:37:19 GMT -5
Perhaps he will seek out a candidate already familiar with the HC campus.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 2, 2016 18:19:49 GMT -5
I'm saying 60% he doesn't return next year. Only because no one knows for sure the terms of any buyout NP may have negotiated when extending the contact. Basketball drives the apple cart at Holy Cross and I'd be willing to bet that TPTB are less willing to pay multiple football coaches than they are to pay multiple basketball coaches at the same time. I believe it's possible they let him coach out the remainder of his contract before the school parts ways. Do I think a change is needed? Yes. I've been in the tank for Gilmore since I set foot on the hill but it's just time to go in a different direction. Unfortunately, there is nothing that could happen the last two games of the season that could change my opinion. Fair points but, if NP is as smart as everyone thinks he is, the buyout built into the extension should be cheap. |
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Post by timholycross on Nov 3, 2016 14:51:32 GMT -5
Question for the younger folks:
Outside of our own little message board world...does there seem to be a buzz around campus that Gilmore is indeed on his last legs?
If the talk is limited to us...then I think threads like this are a bit premature...not that I don't agree with the basic premise.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 4, 2016 0:27:13 GMT -5
When I was at all-male HC we non-fball playing students seemed to have an intuitive grasp of the emotion condition of the team and therefore a real feel for whether we were expecting a W or an L. Hard to explain. Maybe because we were all male, the jock factor was large in the student body and there was a certain male bonded unity that probably doesn't exist at a coed school.
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Post by gks on Nov 4, 2016 7:10:21 GMT -5
The school de-emphasized sports 20 years ago so the student body followed. Parallel to Central Mass residents.
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Post by rickii on Nov 4, 2016 12:37:32 GMT -5
The school de-emphasized sports 20 years ago so the student body followed. Parallel to Central Mass residents. 20 ? |
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2016 13:07:29 GMT -5
The school de-emphasized sports 20 years ago so the student body followed. Parallel to Central Mass residents. 20 ? Good point. Definitely came before 1996. The class of 1992 was the last class with scholarship athletes and the de-emphasis began before that. |
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 4, 2016 13:41:51 GMT -5
When I was at all-male HC we non-fball playing students seemed to have an intuitive grasp of the emotion condition of the team and therefore a real feel for whether we were expecting a W or an L. Hard to explain. Maybe because we were all male, the jock factor was large in the student body and there was a certain male bonded unity that probably doesn't exist at a coed school. my roommates who were on the team used to tell me who were the good players, the guys to watch, on the opposition; especially the O & D linemen |
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Post by hc87 on Nov 4, 2016 14:09:28 GMT -5
Deemphasis of athletics (major sports anyway) has been ongoing since the 1940s/50s .....HC went to the Orange Bowl, won the hoop NCAA's&NIT and the College World Series during a ten year stretch from 1945-1954.
Basketball and football remained "D1 relevant" i.e. scheduled and at times competed/defeated national and regional powers, had better followings from fans/media etc etc into the 1960s and 1970s.
The biggest decisions to deemphasize in basketball and football was not joining the Big East, joining the PL and then going completely no scholarship in both of those sports for a period of time.
Again, I'm not anti-PL football....it's really the only league (the CAA is a hodge-podge of state/private schools that I'd rather not be in imo for the loss of scheduling flexibility etc) that HC football fits into in the FCS-world today. We seem to be making the right moves off the gridiron: returning scholarships, scheduling has improved, facilities upgraded etc...we just have to improve inside the lines now.
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